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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:48:32 GMT -5
People aren't being told not to say Merry Christmas. They are being told someone else was told not to say it. By Bill Reilly. That's actually not true. My daughter works in retail and they were told they weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas. What store? |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 11:52:12 GMT -5
People aren't being told not to say Merry Christmas. They are being told someone else was told not to say it. By Bill Reilly. That's actually not true. My daughter works in retail and they were told they weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas. Then I'm falling back on oped's private business making it's rules point. Aren't conservatives normally all for that? |
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 26, 2015 12:07:27 GMT -5
It almost seems like this is a problem that manifests primarily in the northeastern part of the country. We just plain don't see it here in the south. People feel pretty free to give whatever greeting they choose and it doesn't seem to bother anybody, whether it be a retail employee or a shopper. It's just not been an issue.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 26, 2015 12:15:16 GMT -5
I don't see it as an issue here either, outside the media.
Where is your daughter located tequila?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 26, 2015 12:24:54 GMT -5
This is people looking for a problem where there isn't one.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 26, 2015 12:28:31 GMT -5
That's actually not true. My daughter works in retail and they were told they weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas. Then I'm falling back on oped's private business making it's rules point. Aren't conservatives normally all for that? Only if it doesn't actually affect them. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 26, 2015 12:40:08 GMT -5
People aren't being told not to say Merry Christmas. They are being told someone else was told not to say it. By Bill Reilly. That's actually not true. My daughter works in retail and they were told they weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas. further evidence of how demeaning and small retail is. |
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Post by Opti on Dec 26, 2015 15:16:47 GMT -5
It almost seems like this is a problem that manifests primarily in the northeastern part of the country. We just plain don't see it here in the south. People feel pretty free to give whatever greeting they choose and it doesn't seem to bother anybody, whether it be a retail employee or a shopper. It's just not been an issue. I live in NJ, honestly I have not noticed a lack of Merry Christmas greetings. |
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Post by jkapp on Dec 27, 2015 12:02:41 GMT -5
That's actually not true. My daughter works in retail and they were told they weren't allowed to say Merry Christmas. Then I'm falling back on oped's private business making it's rules point. Aren't conservatives normally all for that? And aren't liberals normally against it? Minimum wage, paying women less, making people work on Thanksgiving...so why is this one business rule okay? |
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Post by jkapp on Dec 27, 2015 12:11:24 GMT -5
Again, those examples aren't about oppression either. These people weren't being stopped from saying Mery Christmas in their private lives or in a public forum. If an employer wants to make rules regarding employee behavior at work based on what they feel is most inclusive to their clientele, that is their perogative, one they exercise in many ways. It is always the choice of the employed to abide by employer rules or seek other employment. Even so, I generally read the glaring headlines of 'forbidden to say MC'... And reading further find it was either a recommendation to say HH instead, or in the case of your link, one employee claiming one district manager gave faulty instructions... Hardly a wide soread issue, and generally much blown out of proportion... And how do you know the instructions were faulty? What instructions did the district manager receive that he/she comprehended as: Do not allow employees to say Merry Christmas?
My guess is those were the exact instructions given, and now the corporate heads are backtracking now that there's blowback about the decision (using the lower level district manager as the scapegoat, of course).
It's like at my last job, where the CFO would say we need to do something a certain way, and when something went wrong, his first accusatory question to everyone would be: Why are we doing it this way? 
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 27, 2015 12:15:03 GMT -5
Then I'm falling back on oped's private business making it's rules point. Aren't conservatives normally all for that? And aren't liberals normally against it? Minimum wage, paying women less, making people work on Thanksgiving...so why is this one business rule okay? liberals are in favor of private enterprises acting according to their own rules, but within a general framework of law. that means that if i want to have kids work for me for $0.45/hr, for 20 hours a day, i am going to have to go somewhere like Nicaragua or Indonesia. it is not allowed here. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 27, 2015 12:16:20 GMT -5
Again, those examples aren't about oppression either. These people weren't being stopped from saying Mery Christmas in their private lives or in a public forum. If an employer wants to make rules regarding employee behavior at work based on what they feel is most inclusive to their clientele, that is their perogative, one they exercise in many ways. It is always the choice of the employed to abide by employer rules or seek other employment. Even so, I generally read the glaring headlines of 'forbidden to say MC'... And reading further find it was either a recommendation to say HH instead, or in the case of your link, one employee claiming one district manager gave faulty instructions... Hardly a wide soread issue, and generally much blown out of proportion... And how do you know the instructions were faulty? What instructions did the district manager receive that he/she comprehended as: Do not allow employees to say Merry Christmas?
My guess is those were the exact instructions given, and now the corporate heads are backtracking now that there's blowback about the decision (using the lower level district manager as the scapegoat, of course).
It's like at my last job, where the CFO would say we need to do something a certain way, and when something went wrong, his first accusatory question to everyone would be: Why are we doing it this way?
ok... you offer proof that corporate is backtracking... 
This wasn't reported as a common practice with lots of eyewitness testimony... it was all down to one woman's 'testimony'...
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 27, 2015 12:18:23 GMT -5
Again, those examples aren't about oppression either. These people weren't being stopped from saying Mery Christmas in their private lives or in a public forum. If an employer wants to make rules regarding employee behavior at work based on what they feel is most inclusive to their clientele, that is their perogative, one they exercise in many ways. It is always the choice of the employed to abide by employer rules or seek other employment. Even so, I generally read the glaring headlines of 'forbidden to say MC'... And reading further find it was either a recommendation to say HH instead, or in the case of your link, one employee claiming one district manager gave faulty instructions... Hardly a wide soread issue, and generally much blown out of proportion... And how do you know the instructions were faulty? What instructions did the district manager receive that he/she comprehended as: Do not allow employees to say Merry Christmas?
My guess is those were the exact instructions given, and now the corporate heads are backtracking now that there's blowback about the decision (using the lower level district manager as the scapegoat, of course).
It's like at my last job, where the CFO would say we need to do something a certain way, and when something went wrong, his first accusatory question to everyone would be: Why are we doing it this way?
it is only like that if the business is making excuses about it, now. is it? but to your original point: there is nothing faulty in the instructions. the manager/owner is weighing the RISK of saying "Happy Holidays" against his possible revenues. his or her determination was that it is less risky to offer a generic greeting than no greeting or Merry Christmas. if he or she was smart, he would study that proposition first, but if not, it is his or her determination to make, and he or she has to live with the results, whether it be increased revenue or decreased revenue. |
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