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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 11:48:29 GMT -5
Does anyone here know someone or is the one who is happy and poor?
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milee
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Post by milee on Dec 18, 2015 11:57:31 GMT -5
My in laws were very poor but seemed very happy.
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ArchietheDragon
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2015 11:59:27 GMT -5
Find me someone who is happy and I will find you someone who is poor and happy.
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Abby Normal
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Post by Abby Normal on Dec 18, 2015 12:01:27 GMT -5
Money can not buy happiness, but it can make misery more comfortable.
We live in a town where about 65% of the population is under the poverty level. So yes, we know some.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 18, 2015 12:14:25 GMT -5
Depends on your definition of poor. If we are talking cash and material goods poor, but still has the minimum (food, clothing, shelter), then yes, I know some who are happy, mainly because they've been without event the minimum at times. They've been hungry and homeless, so having even the basics puts them in a happy place.
If you're talking poor in an emotional sense, that's different. I know some emotionally poor people - they have all the material things and then some, but they are without family, have few friends and social/work contacts. And they are very unhappy people. I have a friend who is a multi-millionaire; inherited wealth, never has to work a day in his life. But he is emotionally isolated because he cannot trust anyone - he thinks everyone likes him for his money, not for him. His parents are gone, his sibling lives far away and he is single, no kids or pets. No way would I trade places with him, ever.
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Post by Ombud on Dec 18, 2015 12:20:49 GMT -5
Compared to most of the posters here, I'm poor.  |
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Dec 18, 2015 12:32:48 GMT -5
Compared to most of the posters here, I'm poor.  Me too. Although the only poster here that might be more poor than me is Shasta. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 12:35:16 GMT -5
I know many who are poor and happy, but the poor I know are not starving poor. Not that that makes being unhappy impossible. I also know some wealthy people that are miserable...some are so miserable that they make everyone around them miserable too.  |
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Post by Chocolate Lover on Dec 18, 2015 12:36:02 GMT -5
I forgot to mention, yes, I'm happy.  |
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tloonya
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 12:40:15 GMT -5
Find me someone who is happy and I will find you someone who is poor and happy. Are you implying there is no happy people? |
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 12:40:41 GMT -5
My in laws were very poor but seemed very happy. Has it change? How? |
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 12:44:20 GMT -5
Compared to most of the posters here, I'm poor. Yep, that is what I meant. Seems like everyone here is pretty well off. And I can't get there! |
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2015 12:48:25 GMT -5
Find me someone who is happy and I will find you someone who is poor and happy. Are you implying there is no happy people? that is what I am implying. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 12:52:56 GMT -5
Compared to most of the posters here, I'm poor. Yep, that is what I meant. Seems like everyone here is pretty well off.  Compared to Ombud I'm poor! |
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tloonya
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 12:54:21 GMT -5
Yep, that is what I meant. Seems like everyone here is pretty well off. Compared to Ombud I'm poor! I think I am poor compare to you than...and I am not laughing!  |
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 12:55:51 GMT -5
Are you implying there is no happy people? that is what I am implying. Archie! You are scaring me! YOU out of ALL saying it  TAKE IT BACK! Or give me a lot of money and I will show you happy!  |
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 18, 2015 13:09:43 GMT -5
Does anyone here know someone or is the one who is happy and poor? Nope |
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Post by milee on Dec 18, 2015 13:10:14 GMT -5
My in laws were very poor but seemed very happy. Has it change? How? Not much, no. The only real difference I see is that he's dead now and she's a little whinier now. But not unusually so for an 85 year old woman.
They both made 99.9% of their decisions based on what they thought society expected of them. They greatly craved rules and order. I think for them, living within the "rules" provided its own type of comfort and pleasure.
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Post by tloonya on Dec 18, 2015 13:20:53 GMT -5
Not much, no. The only real difference I see is that he's dead now and she's a little whinier now. But not unusually so for an 85 year old woman.
They both made 99.9% of their decisions based on what they thought society expected of them. They greatly craved rules and order. I think for them, living within the "rules" provided its own type of comfort and pleasure.
To me its sound scary not happy |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 13:30:21 GMT -5
I don't know any really poor people. I did once. A coworker at Macy's worked in the school cafeteria where I teach, Macy's, and cleaned houses on the weekend. It took three jobs--including one that was full-time with benefits (cafeteria) but minimum wage for six hours a day and only ten months a year--to support herself. That is my definition of poor.
She seemed pretty happy, though. She had a guy she loved and lived with. They cleaned houses together on the weekend. She was saving up to get a divorce.
She was one of my favorite co-workers.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 18, 2015 13:31:35 GMT -5
Compared to Ombud I'm poor! I think I am poor compare to you than...and I am not laughing! It's all relative. Most people are poor compared to someone else and rich compared to someone else. I really don't think once you get past the basic needs that money is a big factor in happiness. Honestly, the happiest time in my life was my early 20's to maybe 30 and I was pretty damn broke back then. |
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Post by cktc on Dec 18, 2015 13:38:14 GMT -5
I don't think I can accurately asses wealth or happiness. Other than the chronically miserable, everyone has their ups and downs and generally tries to put on a good show.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Dec 18, 2015 13:40:40 GMT -5
happiness is overrated. Why is that the emotion that everyone holds up on a pedestal and tries to achieve?
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Post by Empire the P.A. on Dec 18, 2015 13:49:00 GMT -5
If I'm not miserable, that is good enough for me.  |
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Post by swamp on Dec 18, 2015 13:50:26 GMT -5
Empire!!!!
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Post by Tiny on Dec 18, 2015 13:50:41 GMT -5
Does anyone here know someone or is the one who is happy and poor? I guess it depends on how you define "poor"... I know quite a few people/families who wish they had more money - but who seem to be "happy" with where they are. I know a handful of people who are on small 'fixed incomes' and while they don't worry about the lights being turned off, or having to go hungry, right now they DO worry about the future. There's the "what if something bad happens?" that seems to haunt them -- and that seems to suck away a lot of the 'happiness' of the current moment. I'm pretty "poor" compared to my double income friends and family and I'm pretty happy... but then I have the illusion that I'm working towards a 'bright happy future' and the 'current moment' IS the 'bright happy future' I was working towards 10 years ago (and actually further in the past than that - 10 years or so is just when I actively and consciously started working towards a well defined "brighter future"). |
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Dec 18, 2015 13:53:02 GMT -5
I don't have as much money as a lot of people here. But I have all of my needs and a lot of my wants. I have a retirement plan that will not include cat food (well, at least not for my consumption. My cats, however, will continue to to enjoy it). My health is good, though I will always have to work hard at it until my last day on earth. Family isn't close by, but thanks to advances in electronic communication, I can still reach out to them. I'm starting to lose friends to age and disease, but I am also finding new interests, and therefore new friends.
So I don't consider myself poor.
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Post by Tiny on Dec 18, 2015 13:55:41 GMT -5
Not much, no. The only real difference I see is that he's dead now and she's a little whinier now. But not unusually so for an 85 year old woman.
They both made 99.9% of their decisions based on what they thought society expected of them. They greatly craved rules and order. I think for them, living within the "rules" provided its own type of comfort and pleasure.
To me its sound scary not happy Well, if what you think society/culture/family expects from you - doesn't make you uncomfortable then I suspect it is a comfort and a pleasure. You can go along on 'autopilot' and devote time/energy to other things. It's when you don't feel comfortable with expectations that those expectations become a burden or painful... because you are aware nearly every moment - like having a stone in your shoe or piece of clothing that rubs. Dealing with that discomfort sucks up a lot of time and energy... keeping you from being able to give 'meaning' or 'value' to many things in life (ie expending time/energy on other things).  I think that, in general, most people are happy to go along with what's expected - because it's NOT uncomfortable. |
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Post by Empire the P.A. on Dec 18, 2015 13:56:46 GMT -5
Hello Ms. Swamp. Working and trying to stay out of trouble. But now I'm back to have some fun here. I'm trying to catch up.
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