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Post by NastyWoman on Dec 8, 2015 15:58:52 GMT -5
Growing up multi-continental my kids got Xmas presents where ever most of their peers got them. The few years we lived back in the Netherlands whle they where growing up, Sinterklaas (Dutch Saint Nick) brought presents on December 5th. To cover the change in gift giving I told my kids that both Santa and Sinterklaas were real, but since they were very old they shared the workload. They bought it too (they were young enough) and it provided a nice cover for why some kids did not receive anything when they did --- those kids must have been on the "the other guy's list" And for the record, Santa is still real to this day. Once I 'fessed up I told them that gifts where given out of love, just because... Little kids didn't understand that so we used Santa as a symbol and now they had become part of Santa.
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Post by cronewitch on Dec 8, 2015 18:18:46 GMT -5
I find it difficult to believe that someone couldn't come up with a few $ to buy some toys at the Dollar Store. Sorry, but more and more, the same people who complain about lack of money always seem to have money for alcohol, cigs, tattoos and eating out. I feel the same way, they had 12 months to come up with $20 for Christmas. I as an adult have had years without gifts but mostly because I tell people not to buy me gifts. I think the parents would feel worse than the kids if there were no gifts. My ISO was married to a woman with two little kids and unemployed in a recession he said someone showed up at his door with wrapped gifts with the kids name on them, he doesn't know who they were. In my family kids get gifts from grandparents, aunts, uncles and other people so the gift are enough without parents buying. Some families are generational poverty so all the others don't buy anything either so kids might not get anything. People on drugs or alcohol or too disabled to work shouldn't have kids but they do. I think kids between 3-9 need to get a gift or two plus some wrapped clothing or food items. I hate that they don't have families to take care of them. Last year I donated toys to Treehouse Warehouse in Seattle for foster kids, this year nothing yet but kinda want to help a kid or two. I am shopping for bargains on toys just haven't found them. I am seeing begging on Facebook people saying they have nothing for the kids, thinking offer them a day of work at my house for money for toys but many don't really want to earn money just beg. I am having trouble with generosity. One lady says they are living in a motel with two little kids, she wants an ironing board and iron but doesn't drive, why can't her husband pick up things she is given? Why can't she work other than selling online? I don't like ironing so might just take her my ironing board and iron and meet the kids then surprise them with gifts but what do kids living in a motel have room for?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 18:42:54 GMT -5
My friend with two houses and two broken feet returned to work yesterday. He told me his wife has decided they are going to have a very lean Christmas which includes no gifts for the kids...that the new house and not having to ride the bus anymore will have to be their gifts. The kids are older, I believe 10, 14 and 17, but I can tell it's really bothering him. I'm strongly considering asking him tomorrow what he thinks the boys would like and if he'd accept me helping out. I'm guessing the answer would be no because he's pretty proud, but I think I'm going to ask anyhow. It's a combined family, the younger two are his and they've had a rough couple of years. Their mother pretty much chose an abusive ass over them and since my friend took full custody she doesn't even make any of the visitations...she just dumped them. No other family close by, so it's not like they'll be getting gifts elsewhere. Before he remarried I used to go hiking with him and his kids. They're good boys, do great in school and are well behaved and respectful. I think they should have something to open up.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 8, 2015 19:12:05 GMT -5
My friend with two houses and two broken feet returned to work yesterday. He told me his wife has decided they are going to have a very lean Christmas which includes no gifts for the kids...that the new house and not having to ride the bus anymore will have to be their gifts. The kids are older, I believe 10, 14 and 17, but I can tell it's really bothering him. I'm strongly considering asking him tomorrow what he thinks the boys would like and if he'd accept me helping out. I'm guessing the answer would be no because he's pretty proud, but I think I'm going to ask anyhow. It's a combined family, the younger two are his and they've had a rough couple of years. Their mother pretty much chose an abusive ass over them and since my friend took full custody she doesn't even make any of the visitations...she just dumped them. No other family close by, so it's not like they'll be getting gifts elsewhere. Before he remarried I used to go hiking with him and his kids. They're good boys, do great in school and are well behaved and respectful. I think they should have something to open up. I wouldn't ask - just do it! Can you figure out on the sky what the kids like? ITunes gift cards might be good for the older kids. Is that $14 scooter still available on Amazon?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 8, 2015 19:13:00 GMT -5
That should say "on the sly". Lol
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 8, 2015 19:18:48 GMT -5
That should say "on the sly". Lol I was thinking smoke signals from the boys.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 8, 2015 19:34:07 GMT -5
If they were younger boys it would be easy, but teens are tough and I never see them anymore, so the only way I could get any ideas would be to ask him. I can probably pry without revealing my true motives though. Get him talking about things he wishes he could get them for Christmas or something...and hopefully it's not like PS4 or Drone.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 8, 2015 20:22:49 GMT -5
You could go to Goodwill and get used toys for next to nothing. Clean them up, wrap them up. New to them. That is just pure baloney that you can't come up with a few dollars for your kid .
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Post by Shooby on Dec 8, 2015 20:26:47 GMT -5
This is a generous country. We like to help people. Well, in the past several decades, scammers and lazy people decided it would be easy to take advantage of that Goodwill. And, they have in a big way. And, then when people start to pull back on the giving, then OMG, the violins come out and the tears and boo freaking hoo. You know what? I don't care anymore. Help your damn self. If you don't work hard enough to buy your own kid a present, then you suck as a parent barring some unforeseen catastrophe that isn't called "Life" that the affects most of the rest of us. If you were in an accident and in traction for 400 days or have a catastrophic illness, then we are all glad to help. If you are still in bed, nice and warm and comfy for your big behind on a fluffy bed while the rest of us are guzzling down coffee, sitting and traffic and working for the Man, then no, you I am not helping you.
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 9, 2015 8:15:48 GMT -5
I'm actually going to ask my friend who grew up hungry how Christmas was handled at her house. If they couldn't afford to feed and clothe and decently shelter the brood they had, im curious about gifts.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 9, 2015 9:34:47 GMT -5
If they were younger boys it would be easy, but teens are tough and I never see them anymore, so the only way I could get any ideas would be to ask him. I can probably pry without revealing my true motives though. Get him talking about things he wishes he could get them for Christmas or something...and hopefully it's not like PS4 or Drone. Actually, Amazon has been having sales on drones as part of the lightening deals. I've been tempted for DS. (I also got DD2 the toddler scooter when it was on sale. And those Magna tiles. Got two boxes, one for me, and one for the ILs to give DD2. I'm giving her the $15 set and letting ILs pay for the more expensive one ) What about things live a GC to a movie theater? If the boys go hiking, maybe REI, Cabela's or something? Does the oldest drive? A gc to a gas station would even be nice. Are there any hang outs or fast food places? Even a Target GC would be nice, and the money could be spent either on needs or wants.
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Post by giramomma on Dec 9, 2015 9:45:33 GMT -5
+1 Million points
They have plenty of years to worry about SATs, competing with Asia and the 4% safe withdrawal rate. they have precious few years to believe in magic.
I doubt any of those items are on their minds when they can't afford gifts for their kids. More like how to pay for rent, food, supplies, etc and make it to the next month. Sad, really. It depends on the family. I've known low income families on both sides. The ones that don't care about their kids and always struggle with the basics. Usually, these are the families where parents are dysfunctional...dealing with alcoholism, brushes with the law, etc. I've also known families that understand what it takes for kids to get ahead. They may struggle with basics, but they also make sure that their kids are in school getting the best grades, reading instead of watching tv, and taking advantage of after school activities that they can qualify for like sports and music lessons. So, yes, in fact, these families ARE worrying about how to get their kids through to college, even if their kids are still only in grade school.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 9, 2015 10:18:08 GMT -5
This is a generous country. We like to help people. Well, in the past several decades, scammers and lazy people decided it would be easy to take advantage of that Goodwill. And, they have in a big way. And, then when people start to pull back on the giving, then OMG, the violins come out and the tears and boo freaking hoo. You know what? I don't care anymore. Help your damn self. If you don't work hard enough to buy your own kid a present, then you suck as a parent barring some unforeseen catastrophe that isn't called "Life" that the affects most of the rest of us. If you were in an accident and in traction for 400 days or have a catastrophic illness, then we are all glad to help. If you are still in bed, nice and warm and comfy for your big behind on a fluffy bed while the rest of us are guzzling down coffee, sitting and traffic and working for the Man, then no, you I am not helping you. I've been told there are people around here on FB who buy stuff cheap at Goodwill and then resell it on other sites or yard sales for a profit. Does that sound just wrong to anyone else? I don't mean illegal wrong. I mean morally wrong?
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 10:25:00 GMT -5
This is a generous country. We like to help people. Well, in the past several decades, scammers and lazy people decided it would be easy to take advantage of that Goodwill. And, they have in a big way. And, then when people start to pull back on the giving, then OMG, the violins come out and the tears and boo freaking hoo. You know what? I don't care anymore. Help your damn self. If you don't work hard enough to buy your own kid a present, then you suck as a parent barring some unforeseen catastrophe that isn't called "Life" that the affects most of the rest of us. If you were in an accident and in traction for 400 days or have a catastrophic illness, then we are all glad to help. If you are still in bed, nice and warm and comfy for your big behind on a fluffy bed while the rest of us are guzzling down coffee, sitting and traffic and working for the Man, then no, you I am not helping you. I've been told there are people around here on FB who buy stuff cheap at Goodwill and then resell it on other sites or yard sales for a profit. Does that sound just wrong to anyone else? I don't mean illegal wrong. I mean morally wrong? I think if someone is able to recognize that something is worth more than it's being sold for and chooses to profit off of that, more power to them. Goodwill is still getting what they wanted out of the item and it's not like people are making a killing reselling kids clothes. It's more like antiques and collectibles.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 9, 2015 10:33:26 GMT -5
This is a generous country. We like to help people. Well, in the past several decades, scammers and lazy people decided it would be easy to take advantage of that Goodwill. And, they have in a big way. And, then when people start to pull back on the giving, then OMG, the violins come out and the tears and boo freaking hoo. You know what? I don't care anymore. Help your damn self. If you don't work hard enough to buy your own kid a present, then you suck as a parent barring some unforeseen catastrophe that isn't called "Life" that the affects most of the rest of us. If you were in an accident and in traction for 400 days or have a catastrophic illness, then we are all glad to help. If you are still in bed, nice and warm and comfy for your big behind on a fluffy bed while the rest of us are guzzling down coffee, sitting and traffic and working for the Man, then no, you I am not helping you. I've been told there are people around here on FB who buy stuff cheap at Goodwill and then resell it on other sites or yard sales for a profit. Does that sound just wrong to anyone else? I don't mean illegal wrong. I mean morally wrong? I know someone who shopped thrift stores (Goodwill, Salvation Army, etc.) for thing like brand name purses. She paid the thrift shop price and then refurbished/cleaned up the purses and sold them online for a higher price. I did not see anything wrong with that as long as the thrift store got their asking price. Maybe the thrift stores could do the same thing (cleaning up potential high-end products) and charge/receive a higher price for the item.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 9, 2015 10:33:38 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with picking. If it helps someone make ends meet more power too them.
I doubt most people are getting rich off of it. You have to really know what you are doing to make big $$ and most of them aren't scouring Goodwill they are going to antique shows and estate sales.
Maybe the thrift stores could do the same thing (cleaning up potential high-end products) and charge/receive a higher price for the item.
Goodwill already does this. The higher end items go up on a page that is similar to Ebay where you can bid on the items.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 9, 2015 10:55:31 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with picking. If it helps someone make ends meet more power too them. I doubt most people are getting rich off of it. You have to really know what you are doing to make big $$ and most of them aren't scouring Goodwill they are going to antique shows and estate sales. Maybe the thrift stores could do the same thing (cleaning up potential high-end products) and charge/receive a higher price for the item.
Goodwill already does this. The higher end items go up on a page that is similar to Ebay where you can bid on the items. I don't either usually. It just seems to me that people who donate to the Goodwill do so thinking the people who really need the stuff are the ones who are getting it - not giving it to people who want to make a buck.
I see both of your points. It's just not what my donations were intended for. Guess once you give something, it's out of your hands. I was just hoping a person who really needed some dress clothes for maybe job interviews would get some use out of the stuff. Perhaps that still happens also. It just doesn't ring as right to me but I guess I can't put my finger on why I think that. Guess I'm wrong. Sure not the first time!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 9, 2015 10:59:45 GMT -5
I buy stuff at Goodwill. ..I hardly "need" it since i can easily afford retail. The dollars spent are still dollars Goodwill can use for the programs the store supports. Who cares what the person who purchased the item does with it once they get home. ETA: If it really bothers you, you can google specific charities that will do with your items as you wish. There are several charities out there that donate suits to women in shelters so they can go on job interviews for example. There are wedding trunk shows for women who have cancer. Stuff like that.
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Post by Deleted on Dec 9, 2015 11:03:27 GMT -5
I don't think there is anything wrong with picking. If it helps someone make ends meet more power too them. I doubt most people are getting rich off of it. You have to really know what you are doing to make big $$ and most of them aren't scouring Goodwill they are going to antique shows and estate sales. Maybe the thrift stores could do the same thing (cleaning up potential high-end products) and charge/receive a higher price for the item.
Goodwill already does this. The higher end items go up on a page that is similar to Ebay where you can bid on the items. I don't either usually. It just seems to me that people who donate to the Goodwill do so thinking the people who really need the stuff are the ones who are getting it - not giving it to people who want to make a buck.
I see both of your points. It's just not what my donations were intended for. Guess once you give something, it's out of your hands. I was just hoping a person who really needed some dress clothes for maybe job interviews would get some use out of the stuff. Perhaps that still happens also. It just doesn't ring as right to me but I guess I can't put my finger on why I think that. Guess I'm wrong. Sure not the first time!
But, Goodwill in itself is the charity. The money they make goes towards disadvantaged. It's not a store for low-income people, anyone can go in there and scope it out for deals and resell for more, even the poor people. The unemployed would be at the greatest advantage because they could hang out there a lot more waiting for the treasures than someone working!
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Post by gs11rmb on Dec 9, 2015 14:32:44 GMT -5
We have a lot of toyathons and such around here at Christmas time and I always think of the MASH episode when Charles gave this all these wonderful chocolate bars to the kids at the orphanage. Father Mulcahey sold them to buy the kids food and fix the orphanage and stuff like that. If a family is so poor there are no gifts there are a whole bunch of things that will have a longer impact on their quality of life for less money. That is my all time favourite episode. I cry every time I see it when it turns out that the snooty Charles was the true spirit of Christmas!
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 11, 2015 13:20:17 GMT -5
And then there is the opposite of "No child should be left....without presents under the Christmas tree" Mom sparks backlash after buying 300 presents for (three) kidsA British mom has drawn the ire of social media for buying her children 300 Christmas presents, according to social media. Emma Tapping, a 27-year old mom of three who lives in the Isle of Man in the U.K. shared a photo of her Christmas tree on photo-sharing site Instagram. The tree could barely be seen behind a huge pile of presents. Her photo went viral with over 50,000 shares with one online user putting a caption underneath that read: "'Nearly time for all the materialistic parents to compete and broadcast how many presents their kids have on Facebook! Just remember theres some children who dont get much [sic]." The image sparked a backlash against the mom who was even accused of "abuse" by spoiling her children, misunderstanding the true spirit of Christmas and "pressie-bragging." Mom sparks backlash after buying 300 presents for kids
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 11, 2015 13:42:11 GMT -5
I get tired just thinking about opening all those packages, much less being interested in them.
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Post by movingforward on Dec 11, 2015 13:45:47 GMT -5
And then there is the opposite of "No child should be left....without presents under the Christmas tree" Mom sparks backlash after buying 300 presents for (three) kidsA British mom has drawn the ire of social media for buying her children 300 Christmas presents, according to social media. Emma Tapping, a 27-year old mom of three who lives in the Isle of Man in the U.K. shared a photo of her Christmas tree on photo-sharing site Instagram. The tree could barely be seen behind a huge pile of presents. Her photo went viral with over 50,000 shares with one online user putting a caption underneath that read: "'Nearly time for all the materialistic parents to compete and broadcast how many presents their kids have on Facebook! Just remember theres some children who dont get much [sic]." The image sparked a backlash against the mom who was even accused of "abuse" by spoiling her children, misunderstanding the true spirit of Christmas and "pressie-bragging." Mom sparks backlash after buying 300 presents for kidsShe does have the right to spend her money as she pleases but it would be nice if she at least had her children donate a few of their gifts.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Dec 11, 2015 14:09:09 GMT -5
who knows, it could be 298 shitty $1 gifts and 2 $20 gifts.
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Post by 973beachbum on Dec 11, 2015 14:16:59 GMT -5
I don't have much problem with that many wrapped gifts. I actually wouldn't be able to live in a home that was that piled up with things strewn so willy nilly. I find it more than a little disturbing. I just couldn't live looking at that mess.
My kids have had years where they got more than 25 gifts each. I think some years it may have been closer to 40 or 50 even. For DH and I it probably is less but I like wrapping presents and having the anticipation and surprise of them. A nice Christmas tree all decorated with nicely, and I do mean nicely!, under the tree makes for a beautiful festive scene.
At no point did anyone get 100 toys but they did get lots of presents. Most clothes except underwear was wrapped. Like I said earlier I also had stockings with food in them. To this day my kids still talk fondly about the purple ketchup and graham crackers, marshmallows and chocolate bars. My 60 year old sister and I still miss our annual christmas stocking gift of the good socks.
Some things take up more space than others too. A little child's toy can be huge while costing little. A wrapped box with pants or a sweater also takes up a good amount of space. But there are lots of things that are small and some are even presents that go together. So some years they got, or the family got, a playstation. The controllers ect and games really all are part of that one present. But if you counted it is probably more than five actual things.
Thinking harder I bet their stocking alone has over 10 things in it. I would bet good money that nothing in it is that big a deal to anyone here, but they do enjoy the whole experience of it. I guess my real question is why is it so offensive to people that this gets wrapped and given at Christmas?
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Post by TheHaitian on Dec 11, 2015 14:18:12 GMT -5
who knows, it could be 298 shitty $1 gifts and 2 $20 gifts. Exactly my thoughts... Another article said she has been shopping for deals since January. And it is her money, her kids... I sure don't care. My sister and brother are at the age where they only get 1-2 gifts from us (vs 5-6) because their gifts are now so expensive. Just 1 game for my brother is $50-60... When he was little I could buy him 5 gifts for the price of 1 of his games now.
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Post by movingforward on Dec 11, 2015 15:49:16 GMT -5
She can do whatever she wants with her money. I personally wouldn't put a picture like that on FB but people put all kinds of craziness on social media so whatever. Not to get off topic buy my SIL will put things like "I am so blessed to have this wonderful man in my life. He brings me nothing but joy" and call me 10 minutes later saying she has been pissed at him since last Tuesday or something. My guess is the marriage isn't going to last but if you were a person viewing the relationship on FB you would be completely and utterly blown away if they decided to divorce. I am not saying she should put the real stuff on FB (it is nobody's business) but why does she feel the need to post about their relationship at all. What she is putting out there is the complete opposite of what I hear when I talk to her
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Post by zibazinski on Dec 11, 2015 15:54:03 GMT -5
There was only me growing up. My mom shopped all year then hid stuff and forgot about it. She'd start digging it out and there'd be a butt load. Like I was one of six children. When my kids were little and money was tight, I bought all year long as well. Things on sale, stuff like that. It adds up before you realize it.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Dec 11, 2015 16:33:04 GMT -5
Last year a friend of mine posted a pic of the tree with lots and lots and lots of presents "under" the tree. It looked GORGEOUS. Presents were beautifully wrapped and the whole thing looked like a catalog cover. Also, the room was big enough to hold a nice tall tree and all those presents.
This pic looks like a complete and total mess and it would annoy the hell out of me.
But as far as how many things she got - who cares. I don't like "things", so all I can see is clutter and more things to take care of later when I see that many packages. But other people are not bothered by that, so more power to them.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Dec 11, 2015 16:34:24 GMT -5
I want to cry at the idea of having to clean up all that wrapping paper. Or worse being made to save it like my MIL does. She wants you to fold everything up so she can reuse it again next year.
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