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Post by OldCoyote on Dec 5, 2015 8:16:18 GMT -5
Murder to the tenth degree, that should do it, First, second, third degree just don't cut it anymore.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 5, 2015 8:46:50 GMT -5
We need much tougher laws to outlaw murder. If we make more stringent laws about murder then that will stop it. And, we won't even have to worry about what implements are used because once murder is outlawed, then it will cease to exist. Like the death penalty? That sure stopped murders. How about cocaine control? Surely if we overfund the DEA and make more laws then cocaine use will cease to exist Thank you for proving my point!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 5, 2015 9:39:04 GMT -5
Like the death penalty? That sure stopped murders. How about cocaine control? Surely if we overfund the DEA and make more laws then cocaine use will cease to exist Thank you for proving my point! yep, just like gun free zones have worked out so well. Thanks for proving the point.
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Post by Opti on Dec 5, 2015 9:57:59 GMT -5
Thank you for proving my point! yep, just like gun free zones have worked out so well. Thanks for proving the point. I think the gun free zone laws were created to up the penalties in certain areas. I think only people who look at those zones incorrectly expect them to be gun free 100% of the time.
Penalty[edit]
18 U.S.C. § 924(a)(4) establishes the penalty for violating GFSZA:
Whoever violates the Act shall be fined not more than $5,000, imprisoned for not more than 5 years, or both. Notwithstanding any other provision of law, the term of imprisonment imposed under this paragraph shall not run concurrently with any other term of imprisonment imposed under any other provision of law.
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life.[1][2]
en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun-Free_School_Zones_Act_of_1990
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 5, 2015 10:51:51 GMT -5
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life. So the penalty for being caught ignoring a gun ban is to be subject to yet another gun ban. You can't make this stuff up.
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Post by Shooby on Dec 5, 2015 11:07:47 GMT -5
LMAO!!!!!!
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Post by Opti on Dec 5, 2015 11:19:01 GMT -5
A conviction under the GFSZA will cause an individual to become a "prohibited person" under the Gun Control Act of 1968. This will bar them from legally owning firearms for the rest of their life. So the penalty for being caught ignoring a gun ban is to be subject to yet another gun ban. You can't make this stuff up. One of the penalties. It also allows for a fine and up to 5 years jail time which must be tacked onto any jail time, not concurrent.
Its tempting to look at the ban in isolation, but really, would you want to write the law so they can keep legal gun ownership?
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Post by verrip1 on Dec 5, 2015 16:14:53 GMT -5
Great idea, Shoob.
We could cut down on all gun injuries by giving away free cyanide solution in squirt bottles, too. Take that, Smith & Wesson!
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 5, 2015 16:43:18 GMT -5
I think God messed up when he gave us flexible thumbs. It was all downhill from there. I think you mean opposable thumbs.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Dec 5, 2015 16:57:37 GMT -5
I think God messed up when he gave us flexible thumbs. It was all downhill from there. I think you mean opposable thumbs. Welts, I"m starting to like you (I'm a little bit drunk)...I can see it now, America and Russian Canadian..... you will have to stay tuned. I like your voice, even if I don't agree with it all the time. But you have a voice. Be well...time for me to go onto other things.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 5, 2015 17:01:47 GMT -5
I think you mean opposable thumbs. Welts, I"m starting to like you (I'm a little bit drunk)...I can see it now, America and Russian Canadian..... you will have to stay tuned. I like your voice, even if I don't agree with it all the time. But you have a voice. Be well...time for me to go onto other things. Starting to like me? I thought you always liked me. I'm hurt.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Dec 5, 2015 17:38:05 GMT -5
You can't just go changing no smoking to mean no murder. Words mean something. Well, we all smoking is the Devil. Well, unless you are smoking marijuana, then somehow that is like Holy Communion. Damn, that explains my split personality!!
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Post by steff on Dec 5, 2015 20:24:04 GMT -5
You can't just go changing no smoking to mean no murder. Words mean something. Well, we all smoking is the Devil. Well, unless you are smoking marijuana, then somehow that is like Holy Communion. A little ditty I learned in High School.... Man made whiskey God made pot God is perfect Man is not..... *puff puff pass*
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Post by Deleted on Dec 5, 2015 20:51:50 GMT -5
Absolutely not. We don't need more signage, thank you very much. Just make it so that any place where it's illegal to smoke, it's also illegal to commit murder. People already know where they can and can't smoke. No new signs. No confusion. No wasting tax dollars on more signs. You can't just go changing no smoking to mean no murder. Words mean something. Why? Smoking is just a long term form of murder via various carcinogenic poisons.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 5, 2015 21:07:25 GMT -5
So the penalty for being caught ignoring a gun ban is to be subject to yet another gun ban. You can't make this stuff up. One of the penalties. It also allows for a fine and up to 5 years jail time which must be tacked onto any jail time, not concurrent.
Its tempting to look at the ban in isolation, but really, would you want to write the law so they can keep legal gun ownership?
I would, actually. A man who violates the ban falls into one of two categories: either he wasn't aware of the ban, forgot about it, was absent-minded, etc., in which case I don't consider a lifetime ban on owning guns to be appropriate; or else he was aware of the ban and decided to break it anyway despite its not being particularly burdensome (i.e. restrictive), in which case I have no faith that he'll observe a much more burdensome version of the same law. In short, tacking on a lifetime ban strikes me as a way of punishing the wrong type of offenders. Having said this, the prison sentence and fine are a steep punishment and I've no doubt they have some effectiveness as deterrents. The problem here is: what is the purpose of a "gun-free zone"? Presumably to prevent people from being shot. What are the three conditions under which bullets usually start flying? i) self-defense, ii) rage killing (usually involving drugs or alcohol), iii) intention to kill. In case iii, the carrier obviously isn't going to care about the ban. In case i, most Americans would say that it's better to have a gun than not have one, especially in the case of rape or assault. Hence case ii is really the only one where we see any potential benefit. And there, we have to ask ourselves whether a man who (by assumption) would ordinarily be carrying a gun through the zone and is willing to shoot another human being in a blind/drunken rage would really pay much heed to the ban.
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Post by Opti on Dec 5, 2015 22:15:54 GMT -5
One of the penalties. It also allows for a fine and up to 5 years jail time which must be tacked onto any jail time, not concurrent.
Its tempting to look at the ban in isolation, but really, would you want to write the law so they can keep legal gun ownership?
I would, actually. A man who violates the ban falls into one of two categories: either he wasn't aware of the ban, forgot about it, was absent-minded, etc., in which case I don't consider a lifetime ban on owning guns to be appropriate; or else he was aware of the ban and decided to break it anyway despite its not being particularly burdensome (i.e. restrictive), in which case I have no faith that he'll observe a much more burdensome version of the same law. In short, tacking on a lifetime ban strikes me as a way of punishing the wrong type of offenders. Having said this, the prison sentence and fine are a steep punishment and I've no doubt they have some effectiveness as deterrents. The problem here is: what is the purpose of a "gun-free zone"? Presumably to prevent people from being shot. What are the three conditions under which bullets usually start flying? i) self-defense, ii) rage killing (usually involving drugs or alcohol), iii) intention to kill. In case iii, the carrier obviously isn't going to care about the ban. In case i, most Americans would say that it's better to have a gun than not have one, especially in the case of rape or assault. Hence case ii is really the only one where we see any potential benefit. And there, we have to ask ourselves whether a man who (by assumption) would ordinarily be carrying a gun through the zone and is willing to shoot another human being in a blind/drunken rage would really pay much heed to the ban. Interesting.
Gun free zone means the area where use or possession of firearms is considered as a crime.
Got that from Googling, but I think that is likely correct. 'Possession of firearms is a bigger crime than usual, area', probably was too lengthy.
I also think the lifetime ban is less deterrent and more legal gotcha if future infractions happen. I am not sure, but my guess is one gets more jail time with illegally possessed guns then legally owned ones.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 7:51:37 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 7:54:46 GMT -5
You can ban all the guns you want. You can confiscate all the guns you want. Until you ban illegal border crossings from Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada, you will never stop the flow of guns to the U.S.
Better chance of banning Murder.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 13:57:22 GMT -5
You can ban all the guns you want. You can confiscate all the guns you want. Until you ban illegal border crossings from Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada, you will never stop the flow of guns to the U.S. Better chance of banning Murder. How many illegal guns are coming into the USA from Canada?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 14:59:57 GMT -5
You can ban all the guns you want. You can confiscate all the guns you want. Until you ban illegal border crossings from Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada, you will never stop the flow of guns to the U.S. Better chance of banning Murder. How many illegal guns are coming into the USA from Canada? There is no smuggling of anything coming in from Canada? I am not talking about Canadian citizens, per se.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 15:30:20 GMT -5
How many illegal guns are coming into the USA from Canada? There is no smuggling of anything coming in from Canada? I am not talking about Canadian citizens, per se. You specifically referred to guns. It's right here.
"Until you ban illegal border crossings from Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada, you will never stop the flow of guns to the U.S."
So, how many illegal guns coming into the US from Canada? Please answer the question.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 15:33:39 GMT -5
There is no smuggling of anything coming in from Canada? I am not talking about Canadian citizens, per se. You specifically referred to guns. It's right here.
"Until you ban illegal border crossings from Mexico, and to a certain extent Canada, you will never stop the flow of guns to the U.S."
So, how many illegal guns coming into the US from Canada? Please answer the question.
According to all the gun banners here in America, one, is one too many. I am sure some of your Muslim refugees are bringing them across to the states.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 16:12:01 GMT -5
So, your border guards are so incompetent, that they let them in with guns? I did an exhaustive search. I couldn't find a single instance of illegal guns coming into the USA from Canada. If you can find a link supporting your assertion, I'd love to read it.
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 6, 2015 16:20:47 GMT -5
This has to be about the most ridiculous thing I've read since the hullabaloo over this year's Starbucks cups.
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Post by mroped on Dec 6, 2015 17:20:08 GMT -5
This has to be about the most ridiculous thing I've read since the hullabaloo over this year's Starbucks cups. That's why is so awesome! I'm reading the posts and see that people are trying to make sens out of none sense! I suggest that everybody refrains from drinking water in the next few days and replaced that with a drink of choice other than water: wine, whiskey, beer- the most recommended! It appears that all water sources are contaminated with some weird compound. The result of that contamination is clearly seen in the above postings.
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Post by moon/Laura on Dec 6, 2015 17:23:17 GMT -5
Make sense out of nonsense. Yeah. Good luck with that.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 6, 2015 17:30:32 GMT -5
This has to be about the most ridiculous thing I've read since the hullabaloo over this year's Starbucks cups. I submit that we designate the entire board a nonsense-free and hullabaloo-free zone. That way we can expect all posters' ideas and opinions to be low-key and sensible.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 7, 2015 9:03:36 GMT -5
I thought it was hilarious. I always knew we had a bunch of people around here who were smart and still managed to have a sense of humor! Nice to see it show once in awhile. My favorite thing to do in this life is laugh. There are far too few opportunities to do that these days.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Dec 7, 2015 9:04:01 GMT -5
This has to be about the most ridiculous thing I've read since the hullabaloo over this year's Starbucks cups. I submit that we designate the entire board a nonsense-free and hullabaloo-free zone. That way we can expect all posters' ideas and opinions to be low-key and sensible. You forgot......
.....sorry. I fell asleep.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Dec 8, 2015 9:23:25 GMT -5
Like the death penalty? That sure stopped murders. How about cocaine control? Surely if we overfund the DEA and make more laws then cocaine use will cease to exist Thank you for proving my point! That cracked me up! Sarcasm is lost on some people....lol
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