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Post by Value Buy on Mar 2, 2016 15:22:01 GMT -5
Well, I live in GA, I know what kind of people we are - frankly, I don't blame the other GOP's if they don't want to sit next to us. You folks do nothing but eat boiled peanuts at these conventions. Who would want to sit next to you. Gotta give em a pass on the boiled peanuts. The Georgia peaches and fresh pecans more than make up for them.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 2, 2016 15:25:16 GMT -5
i thought i would add one more thing to this thread before we continue. there is a good chance the nomination will hinge on the last primaries this year. i have decided to NOT renounce my GOP registration until after the primary this year. there is a good chance that we will decide the nominee this year, and i want to make sure i can vote against Trump, if that is the case. i never thought it would come to this, i will admit. i figured Trump would be long gone. but some find his circus act voteworthy, i guess. I did not see this post until right now. I commented on another thread about California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey primaries, and the number of delegates in these states. Also wondered how these states are trending with the candidates, and who is favored. This Republican race is not quite over yet, unless Trump wins both Florida and Ohio.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 16:31:41 GMT -5
i thought i would add one more thing to this thread before we continue. there is a good chance the nomination will hinge on the last primaries this year. i have decided to NOT renounce my GOP registration until after the primary this year. there is a good chance that we will decide the nominee this year, and i want to make sure i can vote against Trump, if that is the case. i never thought it would come to this, i will admit. i figured Trump would be long gone. but some find his circus act voteworthy, i guess. I did not see this post until right now. I commented on another thread about California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey primaries, and the number of delegates in these states. Also wondered how these states are trending with the candidates, and who is favored. This Republican race is not quite over yet, unless Trump wins both Florida and Ohio. i quite agree. has Dumpster Fire won over 50% ANYWHERE, yet? i doubt Trump will win CA. the demographics are SHITTY for him, here. can't tell you about the other states.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 17:39:34 GMT -5
Cruz has to outperform Trump this Saturday. he is already way behind target, and getting further behind is going to hurt him.
Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine
i think Trump is probably the heavy favourite in all of these, but Cruz might also do well. there is basically NO polling on them, however.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2016 17:45:22 GMT -5
Cruz has to outperform Trump this Saturday. he is already way behind target, and getting further behind is going to hurt him. Kansas, Kentucky, Louisiana, Maine i think Trump is probably the heavy favourite in all of these, but Cruz might also do well. there is basically NO polling on them, however. You know, it is a crazy patchwork of states normally for a day of primaries so it is nice to be doing them in order alphabetically for a change.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 18:30:02 GMT -5
Let's hope the next four years are better than the last four.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2016 18:34:18 GMT -5
Let's hope the next four years are better than the last four. Do you have a link to that chart that would allow me to see the details?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 18:37:19 GMT -5
Let's hope the next four years are better than the last four. link? i can't read those charts.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 18:44:08 GMT -5
I did not see this post until right now. I commented on another thread about California, Illinois, New York and New Jersey primaries, and the number of delegates in these states. Also wondered how these states are trending with the candidates, and who is favored. This Republican race is not quite over yet, unless Trump wins both Florida and Ohio. i quite agree. has Dumpster Fire won over 50% ANYWHERE, yet? i doubt Trump will win CA. the demographics are SHITTY for him, here. can't tell you about the other states. *ahem*... Sorry. Mittmentum! There's Mittmentum there! All is not lost! There's still some life in the old girl yet! There's some gas in the tank! That old dog can still hunt! That car has some mileage left in her! Obama's doom is nigh! Polls ain't always what they're cracked up to be! Americans are getting ready to revolt! Game changer's right around the corner! We're not out of this yet! Sun's brimming on the horizon! Don't doubt me... ever! It took four years, but at long last I think we can safely say it: At least one other member knows--truly--what it felt like to be Paul in 2012.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 18:52:18 GMT -5
i quite agree. has Dumpster Fire won over 50% ANYWHERE, yet? i doubt Trump will win CA. the demographics are SHITTY for him, here. can't tell you about the other states. *ahem*... Sorry. Mittmentum! There's Mittmentum there! All is not lost! There's still some life in the old girl yet! There's some gas in the tank! That old dog can still hunt! That car has some mileage left in her! Obama's doom is nigh! Polls ain't always what they're cracked up to be! Americans are getting ready to revolt! Game changer's right around the corner! We're not out of this yet! Sun's brimming on the horizon! Don't doubt me... ever! It took four years, but at long last I think we can safely say it: At least one other member knows--truly--what it felt like to be Paul in 2012. i was just agreeing with VB, Virgil. but please help me out here- what do you find in my reply that merited this bit of TROLLING?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 18:58:35 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure.
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Post by dondub on Mar 2, 2016 19:08:49 GMT -5
The link didn't even open.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:09:21 GMT -5
*ahem*... Sorry. Mittmentum! There's Mittmentum there! All is not lost! There's still some life in the old girl yet! There's some gas in the tank! That old dog can still hunt! That car has some mileage left in her! Obama's doom is nigh! Polls ain't always what they're cracked up to be! Americans are getting ready to revolt! Game changer's right around the corner! We're not out of this yet! Sun's brimming on the horizon! Don't doubt me... ever! It took four years, but at long last I think we can safely say it: At least one other member knows--truly--what it felt like to be Paul in 2012. i was just agreeing with VB, Virgil. but please help me out here- what do you find in my reply that merited this bit of TROLLING?Raw, unabashed desperation. I figured you deserved to know. Forgive me one comment in the three months and 1,000+ posts you've devoted to the subject of Mr. Trump. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like him any more than you do, and he's going to lose to Ms. Clinton. But he is going to win the Republican nomination.
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Post by Gardening Grandma on Mar 2, 2016 19:10:13 GMT -5
The link opened for me, but there was no source cited for ANY of the charts.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:14:37 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure. Not that things were great under Pres. Bush, and not that Pres. Obama is responsible for even half of what's going on in those graphs, but all but one of them goes back to before 2000.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:16:29 GMT -5
i was just agreeing with VB, Virgil. but please help me out here- what do you find in my reply that merited this bit of TROLLING?Raw, unabashed desperation. I figured you deserved to know. Forgive me one comment in the three months and 1,000+ posts you've devoted to the subject of Mr. Trump. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like him any more than you do, and he's going to lose to Ms. Clinton. But he is going to win the Republican nomination. what desperation, Virgil? i have *not recently* claimed that Trump will lose the nomination. in fact, i have stated repeatedly that i don't know how he gets beaten, he is ahead of where he needs to be to win the nomination, and that he leads hugely in the national polls. i think Trump is really bad for the GOP, Virgil, and YES, i want him to lose. but i have no illusions about where he stands in the primary. your comparison to Mittmentum is completely misguided. i have no illusions about where Dumpster Fire stands, whatsoever.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:19:12 GMT -5
The link opened for me, but there was no source cited for ANY of the charts. They get the data from the government. Which is increasingly fudging the data to make them look significantly better than they actually are. It's unusual that they don't include the source in the figures themselves, but it's undoubtedly because there are nine sandwiched together.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 2, 2016 19:20:41 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure. I was admiring the vastly different time frames and scales. I notice the Federal Debt goes through 2019. Do appreciate being able to see the details. Would be interesting to know where the data came from. Also what some of them are actually measuring.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:21:33 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure. Not that things were great under Pres. Bush, and not that Pres. Obama is responsible for even half of what's going on in those graphs, but all but one of them goes back to before 2000. this post has nothing to do with the GOP nomination, so i think i am going to pass on it, except to say that i disagree about Bush's role in what you posted.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:22:21 GMT -5
Raw, unabashed desperation. I figured you deserved to know. Forgive me one comment in the three months and 1,000+ posts you've devoted to the subject of Mr. Trump. If it makes you feel any better, I don't like him any more than you do, and he's going to lose to Ms. Clinton. But he is going to win the Republican nomination. what desperation, Virgil? i have never claimed that Trump will lose the nomination. in fact, i have stated repeatedly that i don't know how he gets beaten, he is ahead of where he needs to be to win the nomination, and that he leads hugely in the national polls. i think Trump is really bad for the GOP, Virgil, and YES, i want him to lose. but i have no illusions about where he stands in the primary. your comparison to Mittmentum is completely misguided. i have no illusions about where Dumpster Fire stands, whatsoever. I thought "Dumpster Fire" was Mr. Trump. At any rate, I'm glad you've accepted the inevitability of his winning the nomination.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:23:33 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure. I was admiring the vastly different time frames and scales. I notice the Federal Debt goes through 2019. Do appreciate being able to see the details. Would be interesting to know where the data came from. Also what some of them are actually measuring. zerohedge uses mostly FRED data (Federal Reserve St. Louis). but yes, the graph scale is utterly annoying. most of them would be better stated as LOG plots, as well, but i guess asking for data that actually shows something meaningful is a lot when some fool is trying to score political points rather than just state his case.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:25:09 GMT -5
what desperation, Virgil? i have never claimed that Trump will lose the nomination. in fact, i have stated repeatedly that i don't know how he gets beaten, he is ahead of where he needs to be to win the nomination, and that he leads hugely in the national polls. i think Trump is really bad for the GOP, Virgil, and YES, i want him to lose. but i have no illusions about where he stands in the primary. your comparison to Mittmentum is completely misguided. i have no illusions about where Dumpster Fire stands, whatsoever. I thought "Dumpster Fire" was Mr. Trump. At any rate, I'm glad you've accepted the inevitability of his winning the nomination. i don't think it is inevitable at all. i think it is LIKELY. if you have read even a small fraction of my posts, as you claim, you should already have known that. edit: IE: post #65 of this thread "it looks like Trump is going to be the nominee". i don't know how much more plain i could be, Virgil.i would feel more comfortable giving up on the increasingly unlikely possibility that he will lose, were it not for TWO things: one: he is absolutely horrible for American politics and the GOP specifically two: if he wins the eventual race between him and most likely Clinton, what that says about us as a nation is .... too sickening to digest. edit: i don't know why i said "never". i meant to say "recently" or something like that. i claimed that Trump (aka Dumpster Fire) was going to lose the nomination until sometime in December, when i ceased to be certain about it.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:25:18 GMT -5
LOL! what a bunch of cherrypicking. rubbish. every one of trends started under Bush. EVERY....ONE (the healthcare cost graph doesn't show how incredibly bad it was under Bush, for obvious reasons- we wouldn't want to spoil a good narrative). what an incredible stinking heap of cow manure. I was admiring the vastly different time frames and scales. I notice the Federal Debt goes through 2019. Do appreciate being able to see the details. Would be interesting to know where the data came from. Also what some of them are actually measuring. There's absolutely no doubt in my mind that the data comes from the CBO, GAO, BLS, and .gov websites, because 99.9% of the time ZH cites these stats, that's where they claim the data comes from. If I remember, the next time they put one up individually, I'll post a link to it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:33:29 GMT -5
for the record, i don't think anything is inevitable. perhaps tomorrow, a video tape of Trump having sex with a goat will surface. let's see the evangelicals vote for THAT.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:43:39 GMT -5
I thought "Dumpster Fire" was Mr. Trump. At any rate, I'm glad you've accepted the inevitability of his winning the nomination. i don't think it is inevitable at all. i think it is LIKELY. if you have read even a small fraction of my posts, as you claim, you should already have known that. so, either you are lying, or you just felt like being an ass, today. which was it? I didn't say I've been diligently reading your posts. I said you've been carrying on about Mr. Trump for 1,000 posts for three months. As for Mr. Trump: I don't know what you think. I can't reconcile "but the way Preibus is talking, he is going to follow Trump down the drain", "there is a good chance the nomination will hinge on the last primaries this year", "i don't know how he gets beaten", and "i think it is LIKELY [Trump will win]" into a single opinion. Can you see a path to him being beaten or not? Is he going down the drain or not? Is there a good chance he's going to cruise to victory, or is there a good chance it will all come down to the wire in the last primaries? You obviously don't have to commit to answers in the absolute, but it seems to me that there's a war in your mind between what you want to believe (that there's a chance Mr. Trump won't be the nominee) and what you know to be true (that the other candidates don't have a snowball's chance in hell at catching up to him now).
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 2, 2016 19:45:58 GMT -5
for the record, i don't think anything is inevitable. perhaps tomorrow, a video tape of Trump having sex with a goat will surface. let's see the evangelicals vote for THAT. I posted an excerpt from an article billis cited in another thread: evangelicals are indifferent and church-goers are significantly opposed to him. Apparently his base is "authoritarian" voters, although they use a very behavioural-sciencey definition of "authoritarian" that doesn't mesh with the political definition. If Trump sinks, it will be because of a video surfaces of him shaking hands with the Ayatollah or something.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:47:31 GMT -5
i don't think it is inevitable at all. i think it is LIKELY. if you have read even a small fraction of my posts, as you claim, you should already have known that. so, either you are lying, or you just felt like being an ass, today. which was it? I didn't say I've been diligently reading your posts. I said you've been carrying on about Mr. Trump for 1,000 posts for three months. As for Mr. Trump: I don't know what you think. I can't reconcile "but the way Preibus is talking, he is going to follow Trump down the drain", "there is a good chance the nomination will hinge on the last primaries this year", "i don't know how he gets beaten", and "i think it is LIKELY [Trump will win]" into a single opinion. Can you see a path to him being beaten or not? Is he going down the drain or not? Is there a good chance he's going to cruise to victory, or is there a good chance it will all come down to the wire in the last primaries? You obviously don't have to commit to answers in the absolute, but it seems to me that there's a war in your mind between what you want to believe (that there's a chance Mr. Trump won't be the nominee) and what you know to be true (that the other candidates don't have a snowball's chance in hell at catching up to him now). i find him loathsome and dangerous, Virgil. if i carry on about it, it is because i think about it almost obsessively. do you think that is wrong? do you think i should apologize? and yes, i can see a path for him being beaten. i can see TWO, actually. ONE: the polling swings WILDLY toward Rubio in the next (2) weeks, and he wins Florida, and a whole string of later states. TWO: the polling dips slightly for Trump and he gets less than 1237 delegates. the likelihood of either of those would be greatly diminished if Trump wins both Ohio AND Florida. in fact, i probably would regard the chances of Trump losing so small at that point, that i would cease PUBLICLY stating that possibility. but that war in my mind would continue. the war against the absolute ABSURDITY that his candidacy represents.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 2, 2016 19:51:22 GMT -5
Virgil- please reference post #65. that was nearly FOUR MONTHS AGO. i have stated the same thing, to various degrees, ever since.
some days i think there is no way in hell anyone beats him. and then, i see Rubio get within 3% of him in Virginia, and.......
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 2, 2016 19:53:31 GMT -5
Just remember, when worrying about Trump winning the nomination,
A mind is a terrible thing to waste.
I imagine the Clinton camp is happy and also scared to go against Trump this fall. Bill Clinton will be likely locked up somewhere out of public view, so as not to hurt Hillary.
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