Time to Get It Settled?

[billisonboard]

I remember reading when I was a youngster that many cultures took the position that battles with other cultures were proxy wars for their gods. If they lost, it proved that the other culture's gods were more powerful and they adopted those gods. If they won, it was because their gods were more powerful and they forced the losers to convert or die. Seems fair.

So I am thinking, maybe it is time to just have it out once and for all. Christians against Muslims. Full, all-out, no holds barred warfare. Seems reasonable to have both sides put their gods up there to lead them. Win or have it proven that your gods are less powerful.

Admittedly, I wouldn't have a god in the fight but I do have a good supply of microwave popcorn.

[Artemis Windsong]

God will not be put to the test.  He decides who goes into battle against whom and who wins.

[billisonboard]

Nov 19, 2015 19:20:36 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

God will not be put to the test.  He decides who goes into battle against whom and who wins.

So it is your position that God sent the people into the restaurants, theater, and to the stadium?

[ArchietheDragon]

Many think WWIII is coming.

[shopaholic814]

I don't think God sent anyone to their deaths in these bombings/wars. These wars are man's creations. God gave us free-will to make our own decisions, good or bad, and these terrorist attacks have nothing to do with God, other than the lack of his presence in so many people's lives. Now I don't mean to sound all preachy, I'm not normally like this, but I don't like people blaming God for humans' stupidity.

[Artemis Windsong]

They are Muslim. 

I agree shopaholic.

[shopaholic814]

I think what Artemis meant(forgive me if I am wrong) is that Faith will be put to the test in this battle.  God doesn't send us willingly into man-made battles.  But if we decide to make this a battle of Faith, Christian vs Muslim, Good vs Evil, then He will be with us.  Because this will be about as important as Jesus dying on the Cross for us. If we don't win the battle over this Evil of ISIS, they will take over everywhere, eventually.

I agree, that this will turn into WWIII if we don't stop this now.  And with the joker we have in office, that isn't going to happen any time soon.  He is pathetic.  I am not a proponent of war, but in this case I think we have no option but to blow the hell out of that area. I hate the idea of innocent lives being lost there, but what options are there?  We can't continue to ignore this like Obama has been doing.

[billisonboard]

Nov 20, 2015 8:23:47 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

. .. We can't continue to ignore this like Obama has been doing.

Ignore?

Through the end of October, U.S. Central Command figures show, the U.S. and its allies have dropped 28,578 weapons—67 a day—on ISIS targets. time.com/4116888/paris-attacks-isis-strategy/

[Tennesseer]

Nov 19, 2015 20:09:43 GMT -5 ArchietheDragon said:

Many think WWIII is coming.

A few posters here seem to relish the idea of WWIII. The sooner mankind ends the sooner they get to heaven.

I don't think there will be any early departures though,

[Value Buy]

Nov 20, 2015 9:13:46 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I remember reading when I was a youngster that many cultures took the position that battles with other cultures were proxy wars for their gods. If they lost, it proved that the other culture's gods were more powerful and they adopted those gods. If they won, it was because their gods were more powerful and they forced the losers to convert or die. Seems fair.

So I am thinking, maybe it is time to just have it out once and for all. Christians against Muslims. Full, all-out, no holds barred warfare. Seems reasonable to have both sides put their gods up there to lead them. Win or have it proven that your gods are less powerful.

God is an artifice created by man for various reasons.  For the governing it is a means to quell the aspirations of the masses- you'll get your pie in the sky when you die, as it were.  For the masses (us) it is a salve against the surety of death, and the black nothingness that it entails.  And of course for the Priests and Wizards it is an occupation- and often a very good one.

For people to willingly go into battle on behalf of such fantasies is the height of folly.  Darwinism at work.  Population control by other means.

Your response is typical for non believers of religion. 
Able to put it all nice and neatly in little shoe box, explaining everything away.

In the real world it just is not that way.
Ask the people in the Middle East about that.

Anyone believing in a God cannot put it away in a little box, and just because agnostics or athiests do not believe,does not make them correct about it.

[Value Buy]

Just how many posters here are advocating WWIII?
Can anyone give us a count?
Don't have to name names just a number, please.


Since it is also reported if we refuse to allow Muslims into the country, we might piss off ISIS, causing a war.
I imagine we might have a higher count total here on people who believe this to.

[Deleted]

So I am thinking, maybe it is time to just have it out once and for all. Christians against Muslims. Full, all-out, no holds barred warfare. Seems reasonable to have both sides put their gods up there to lead them. Win or have it proven that your gods are less powerful.

The terrorists are doing their best to give you just this. It scares me that you want to accommodate them.

[sesfw]

Since it is also reported if we refuse to allow Muslims into the country, we might piss off ISIS, causing a war.

I consider ISIS, or ISIL, a disease that needs to be eradicated.  Just like polio or small pox or plague or any of the others that wipe out large numbers of life.

I know these thoughts are not very Christian like but I'm human.  It hurts to see these deliberate, and to me, unjustified acts.

[shopaholic814]

'Ignore' was the wrong word. I HATE OBAMA, and everything he stands for. He has only ever done things half-measured b/c he doesn't have the balls or experience to know how to do things correctly.  He isn't even smart enough to listen to the people who know what they are doing.  If you read that article that you posted for me, other much more experienced men than Obama, ones that have actual military experience (and ones not under his thumb) are stating that more needs to be done than a few airstrikes here & there.

time.com/4116888/paris-attacks-isis-strategy/

Quoted from the above article:

"Since the attacks, calls have mounted for the U.S. to seize the offense against ISIS, which French leaders blamed for the Paris attacks. ISIS also has taken responsibility for recent attacks on a Russian airliner over Egypt, and in Beirut, that have killed hundreds more. James Stavridis, a retired U.S. Navy admiral who served as NATO’s top commander from 2009 to 2013, said the alliance should go to war to defeat ISIS.“The Islamic State is an apocalyptic organization overdue for eradication” by NATO’s 3 million troops, 25,000 aircraft and 800 warships, he wrote in Foreign Policy. “There is a time for soft power and playing the long game in the Middle East, but there is also a time for the ruthless application of hard power.” Anthony Zinni, a retired Marine general who served as chief of U.S. Central Command from 1997 to 2000, would like to see a 10,000-strong U.S. ground force attack ISIS, aided by tens of thousands of local troops.

President Obama isn’t biting. “We are going to continue to pursue the strategy that has the best chance of working, even though it does not offer the satisfaction, I guess, of a neat headline or an immediate resolution,” he said Monday in Turkey.

U.S. firepower against ISIS since the American attacks began in August 2014 have been more of a “desert drizzle” than a Desert Storm, according to retired Air Force lieutenant general David Deptula, who ran the Air Force’s targeting campaign during that 1991 conflict with Iraq. Through the end of October, U.S. Central Command figures show, the U.S. and its allies have dropped 28,578 weapons—67 a day—on ISIS targets. “I’ve always been skeptical of the claim that airpower alone can solve such problems, but to be fair, airpower isn’t getting a fair trial,” says Ralph Peters, a retired Army lieutenant colonel and military expert. “This isn’t an air campaign—it’s a political campaign that burns a lot of jet fuel.”"

It goes on & on.  I just quoted a few parts.  It's obvious to me that Obama is only trying to play a political nice/nice war for now. He is still on his "World Apology Tour" from when he was first elected, and trying to get the next Democrat elected, or trying to make a case for a 3rd term for himself.  He is so narcissistic, it is possible. He will postpone this war until the last possible moment until elections come around, & he declares the country in full out war with ISIS & its not an appropriate time to hold elections. Therefore he continues to hold office & WW3 begins.

[billisonboard]

Nov 20, 2015 10:58:41 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

... b/c he doesn't have the balls ...

I realize that some prefer that men lead with their penis but testosterone driven decision making doesn't seem wise to me.

[shopaholic814]

Nov 20, 2015 13:11:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Nov 20, 2015 10:58:41 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

... b/c he doesn't have the balls ...

I realize that some prefer that men lead with their penis but testosterone driven decision making doesn't seem wise to me.

I wasn't suggesting he lead with his penis into a sex-fest-not that I think he's be capable of that function. I was suggesting he man up to the situation & make a real decision that will accomplish something, instead of holding his purse & waiting for more ISIS destruction to occur or waiting for someone else to get the job done so he can criticize their decision from the safety of his Hawaii vacation home or golf course.

[billisonboard]

Nov 20, 2015 13:44:17 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

Nov 20, 2015 13:11:56 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

I realize that some prefer that men lead with their penis but testosterone driven decision making doesn't seem wise to me.

I wasn't suggesting he lead with his penis into a sex-fest-not that I think he's be capable of that function. I was suggesting he man up ...

You do it again.

[shopaholic814]

I did it again? By suggesting he make a decision that will accomplish something? I said I wasn't suggesting he use his penis.  I NEVER said anything about it originally, you said it.  I said he had NO BALLS, meaning no backbone, no spine, no heart, etc.  He is WEAK and the whole world knows it.

[billisonboard]

Nov 20, 2015 10:58:41 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

... he doesn't have the balls ...

Nov 20, 2015 13:44:17 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

...penis into a sex-fest-not that I think he's be capable of that function. I was suggesting he man up ...

Nov 20, 2015 14:03:17 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

... I said I wasn't suggesting he use his penis.  I NEVER said anything about it originally, you said it.  I said he had NO BALLS, meaning no backbone, no spine, no heart, etc.  He is WEAK and the whole world knows it.

It is clear that your sense of strength is testosterone based. You announce he has "no balls", i.e. is not a proper male. You question Obama's ability to achieve an erection. You say he should "man up", that is straight forward. It is what it is.

[shopaholic814]

I think his lack of ability to do his job has something to do his lack of testosterone, his lack of courage, his lack of intelligence, and his overwhelming narcissism. I think that there are some women who are capable of performing his duties better than him, and they clearly have more estrogen running through their veins than testosterone. You took my use of the word "balls" literally in reference to Obama's masculinity, when I was clearly just originally referencing his weaknesses as a leader, not his sexuality, until you pushed the issue and goaded me into bashing him more.  You clearly are an Obama-lover and don't like when people point out that he is as inept as he really is, or I hit a hot button and you are trying to goad me further.  I told you what my points originally were, what I meant, and I don't need you to continue to try to grind me down or make me feel bad for my opinion of the worst President in the past 100 years of this country. 

[billisonboard]

Nov 20, 2015 19:22:32 GMT -5 shopaholic814 said:

I think his lack of ability to do his job has something to do his lack of testosterone, ... You took my use of the word "balls" literally in reference to Obama's masculinity, when I was clearly just originally referencing his weaknesses as a leader, not his sexuality, until you pushed the issue and goaded me into bashing him more. ...

I am confused. You indicate that I was spot on in my assessment of your view. What I "goaded (you) into" was admitting that I was correct. Not sure why you are giving me grief over it. Your assessment of his presidency is clearly based on a view that testosterone based leadership is a positive. I was simply disagreeing with that being a good basis on which to assess leadership skills.

[sesfw]

I said he had NO BALLS, meaning no backbone, no spine, no heart, etc. He is WEAK and the whole world knows it.



    I have to agree with this.


Having 'no balls' is an expression against bho's ability to make a good decision.  In other words, he isn't man enough to do the job.

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

Don't mean to interrupt the conversation here. But billisonboard had asked me about some thoughts, so I thought I would post them here..

 As far as I'm concerned we have to accept things are changing and there is no continuing  on with the way it was... Just look at the trains going to Germany....

We are talking about giving North American Muslims an option. We are talking about creating unity, and trying to avoid loss of life here. That is the biggest point.

If the liberal Muslims are truly are under attack as we are - which we all know they are - we are in this together anyway. According to the conservative majority, liberal Muslims are essentially  Christian anyway - and they will be raped/beheaded in the same manner if they don't accept conservative Islam as the one and only path to God.

Again, if they are truly in the same position as we are, then it's time to shed the old world that is following them around and join the New World that our Founding Fathers created.‎ We can never forget that. This world that everyone says they love, it was our ancestors that started it and got us to where we are. It's not a perfect world, it's just the one everyone flees too. The last thing we are going to accept now is a RELIGION destroying it.

So, as mmhmm brought up a good point, we can't come out and call Muhammad a false prophet.... Which means the key is, Aisha: she was already pissed at what was happening to Muhammad's vision while she was alive. Her words were "How soon indeed you have forgotten the practice (sunnah) of your prophet and these, his hairs, a shirt, and sandal have not yet perished!" 

From there it got worse, they continued to use war to conquer and it eventually led to the downfall of the Islamic Gold Era.. Muhammad had the justice for Jesus that the he sought, it was growing naturally and would have consumed the entire world peacefully, but man corrupted it.. and here we are.‎... not quite a thousand years latter and Sunni conservative Islam - the Islam of the Sword - is about 70% of the worlds Muslim population.(that's assuming 15% of Sunni Muslim are liberals and accept multicultural views as part of their faith) In truth Sunni Conservative Islam is not the Islam that Muhammad preached or set up, but that's what the mjority of his followers ended up turing it into because they did what he did, not what he said.

Here is the best part about it for North American Muslims though; by accepting that Jesus IS part of their faith - it literally says so all through their holy book - and by simply calling American Islam "Christlam", it will do more to defeat the I.S.‎ than anything in the entire 14 year "war on terror." How? Because it will create a united USA, which nothing can take down. It will also give liberal Muslims the world over somewhere to turn to aviod being sent home to fight; so North America Muslims  get to save people all over the world. 

Now, here's going to be the hard part for..... I'm pretty sure everyone to hear; except maybe the ones that want our whole history taught to our kids‎.. As far as I'm concerned - the only way for Muslims to accept Jesus, is for the west to teach who Muhammad was. The only way that works, is we have to teach kids that Jesus is the Messiah, and Muhammad is the true profit(of Jesus) in school.  

Before everyone turns up their noses and yells no way... They are digging up the 2000 year old temple in Jerusalem... Now, relex.... we don't teach from the bible. We dont teach the bible. We don't force anything on anyone... What we do is pull our collective heads out of our ASSES and do what the founding fathers didn't, and that is teach the kids the whole truth.. I'm sure most are thinking, you wanna force GOD onto kids... NO I AM NOT!!!!!!! We tech kids history now without getting into how this king seen that vision, trust me, I know exactly how we can present it to kids so they can make up their own minds..... 

The founding fathers did a great thing by removing Church from state and we want to keep that, but we can't lie by omission about WHY we have separated church and state. This right here(our present)  is the result of that action......

The bottom line is that I don't see a way that Islam moves past this point(it's like 80% hate and once the world truly aligns against them) Again look at the "people" on the trains going into Germany - then they just disappear .... China is currently putting together the final touches on a bill that will allow their army to go into war.. Hundreds of millions of soldiers between China and India who are even more threatened than we are.

Again, if liberal Muslims are truly in the same position as we are, then it's time to shed the old world that is following them around and join the New World that OUR Founding Fathers created.‎ We can never forget that. This world that everyone says they love, it was our ancestors that started it and have got us to where we are now. It's not perfect, it's jus the one everyone flees too. The last thing we are going to accept now is a RELIGION destroying it. Or no?

This war is going global - thanks PUTIN!!!; it's just a matter of what we choose to do here.

[shopaholic814]

You keep drinking your 'Kool-Aid', believing whatever you want to believe, no matter the truth I try to explain. You are going to continue to twist whatever you want from what I say. I'm done trying to talk some sense into to you. 

Thank you, sesfw. Glad someone understands common sense. 

[Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger]

You can't just say to all Muslims in the USA that Chrislam is the way, they are going to have to be slowly show the path. Make no mistake about it, the Muslim reformation is going to be the biggest POLITICAL movement - in the world? since the civil rights movement in the USA.(Muslims are secretly converting to Chrislam all over the Mid East - fearing for their lives.) 

The Chrislam reformation started where?

Muslim Reform Movement Kicks Off in Washington, D.C.

By who? LIBERAL(as in true liberty) Muslims.



Judeo-Christian-Islamic society, why? Because Jesus is the Messiah and his story will be told in the history books, as it should. Demographics pretty much guarantee it.