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Post by Blonde Granny on Nov 18, 2015 17:49:31 GMT -5
It's been awhile and for those still interested in the family drama there are some new things to report. (Gosh, I feel like the National Enquirer).
1. It appears that Josh has left the rehab center in Illinois 3 months early and has been taken to another rehab place in Texas.
2. Daddy Jim Bob has bought a new house for Josh & Anna to live in just a couple blocks from their compound. Price $353K, this supposedly as a bribe to keep Anna from filing for divorce. We drove past it today, really nice brick house directly across the street from the landfill and Waste Management. On the south edge of the property is a fence, this is quite close to the house and black angus cattle were grazing there....will be nice when like today the breeze is from the south. A white pickup was there as was a small car.
That's all I've got. If your interested have at it, if not, don't complain about this topic.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Nov 18, 2015 18:15:02 GMT -5
It's been awhile and for those still interested in the family drama there are some new things to report. (Gosh, I feel like the National Enquirer).
1. It appears that Josh has left the rehab center in Illinois 3 months early and has been taken to another rehab place in Texas.
2. Daddy Jim Bob has bought a new house for Josh & Anna to live in just a couple blocks from their compound. Price $353K, this supposedly as a bribe to keep Anna from filing for divorce. We drove past it today, really nice brick house directly across the street from the landfill and Waste Management. On the south edge of the property is a fence, this is quite close to the house and black angus cattle were grazing there....will be nice when like today the breeze is from the south. A white pickup was there as was a small car.
That's all I've got. If your interested have at it, if not, don't complain about this topic. If you ask me I wouldn't call that a decent bribe. Stinking garbage , birds all over the place and noisy ass trucks pulling in and out at all hours. Me thinks papa got off cheap and Anna must not have much pride. Reminds me of the time my EX MIL offered me $10,000 to file for divorce - this was back in the 70's so guess it was a lot of money. I told her ten grand wouldn't get me to the curb!!
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Post by violagirl on Nov 18, 2015 19:04:33 GMT -5
What is the point of the rehab? I mean people cheat on spouses all the time why would he need 6 months of "rehab"??
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Post by Blonde Granny on Nov 18, 2015 19:20:13 GMT -5
Viola, Josh is from a very dysfunctional off the wall religious family. All of his sexual offenses including this last one dealt with by him going to some pseudo Christian rehab place where reading the bible is going to cure child sexual molestation of his sisters when he was 16 or so. The latest with hookers and the Ashley Madison website to hook up for sex by married people sent him off to a place in Illinois to read the bible for 6 months. He left after 3.
And we live close to the Duggars, so I tend to be a little more interested.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 18, 2015 19:39:47 GMT -5
Me thinks papa got off cheap and Anna must not have much pride. Anna doesn't have many options. She's got 4 little kids and no marketable skills. Josh probably won't be able to pay much alimony or CS. I'm sure there's pressure from the family to keep the marriage together and, in those circles, what are her prospects for a happy second marriage? I feel sorry for them all.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Nov 18, 2015 19:42:16 GMT -5
The reports are that Anna has brothers and sisters that are pressuring her to the guy. But Athena is right, she has few if any options. I did read recently that Josh believes all they need to do is have a 5th child and everything will be alright.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Nov 18, 2015 20:08:53 GMT -5
That's insane
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Post by andi9899 on Nov 18, 2015 20:17:24 GMT -5
The reports are that Anna has brothers and sisters that are pressuring her to the guy. But Athena is right, she has few if any options. I did read recently that Josh believes all they need to do is have a 5th child and everything will be alright. What the hell kind of sense does that make?! You tear your family apart and publicly at that,and it will all be ok if you just have more kids?! You molested family members and think you should be allowed around kids again?! That's insane!
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 18, 2015 20:19:34 GMT -5
Viola, Josh is from a very dysfunctional off the wall religious family. All of his sexual offenses including this last one dealt with by him going to some pseudo Christian rehab place where reading the bible is going to cure child sexual molestation of his sisters when he was 16 or so. The latest with hookers and the Ashley Madison website to hook up for sex by married people sent him off to a place in Illinois to read the bible for 6 months. He left after 3.
And we live close to the Duggars, so I tend to be a little more interested. He must have read the Reader's Digest version if he got through it that fast.
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Post by Blonde Granny on Nov 18, 2015 20:20:30 GMT -5
It's Jim Bob Duggar sense.....
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Post by obelisk on Nov 18, 2015 21:23:31 GMT -5
bob jimme is looking to reduce coletaral damage to his holle than 55hh11t image.\ What a piss of shiaat.
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Post by Tiny on Nov 18, 2015 21:42:09 GMT -5
Me thinks papa got off cheap and Anna must not have much pride. Anna doesn't have many options. She's got 4 little kids and no marketable skills. Josh probably won't be able to pay much alimony or CS. I'm sure there's pressure from the family to keep the marriage together and, in those circles, what are her prospects for a happy second marriage? I feel sorry for them all. I was thinking about this...and I think this is stereotypical thinking -- which I fell for - which got me to thinking about it. What kind of "marketable skills' does Josh have? Is he a college graduate? Fast tracking to Partner in some Firm? Or climbing thru the Business ranks? It sure sounds like if his family abandons him - he'll be just fine with out marketable skills (and little work experience) because, wait for it, he's got a penis!!!
OK, Anna doesn't have a penis and probably doesn't have traditional "workplace" experience - but she certainly isn't without "marketable skills" - she's got a lot of experience (even if it is from the sidelines) about how TV shows get done and a lot of experience with the illusions of "image". She's also practically a "house hold name". I would think some of the prep work etc for the TV show - being exposed to all the behind the scenes stuff may even count as some "workplace" experience... She's got contacts and a network - if she were to pursue it...
Surely she could manage something - maybe a book, maybe speaking engagements, maybe even politics - she's got the contacts OR the 'contacts' know where/how to find her (if they think there's money to be made). She might be shoved out the door into the 'cold' by her 'family' - but she most likely won't be "alone" or with out "friends" - she just needs to have the backbone/confidence/whatever to go looking/asking.
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Post by Knee Deep in Water Chloe on Nov 18, 2015 21:48:33 GMT -5
She'd have to want to leave though, and there's been no public indication that she wants to. She has not been taught to think for herself nor outside her roles of wife and mother. It's not that she isn't capable, it's that she doesn't believe she's capable. Granted I am speaking stereotypically; I don't know her personally.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 8:50:04 GMT -5
Surely she could manage something - maybe a book, maybe speaking engagements, maybe even politics - she's got the contacts OR the 'contacts' know where/how to find her (if they think there's money to be made). You're right- with a good coach she could get speaking engagements or with a good writer she could put a book together (and then go on a speaking tour). I think politics is more complicated and if she's been insulated from newspapers, TV, etc. as much as the Duggar side she'd really have to work to get up to speed.
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Post by emma1420 on Nov 19, 2015 9:05:22 GMT -5
I find it amazing that the anger within the family is about Josh's Ashley Madison account rather than the abuse. Because that is the impression I was left with those comments.
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 19, 2015 9:24:28 GMT -5
Surely she could manage something - maybe a book, maybe speaking engagements, maybe even politics - she's got the contacts OR the 'contacts' know where/how to find her (if they think there's money to be made). You're right- with a good coach she could get speaking engagements or with a good writer she could put a book together (and then go on a speaking tour). I think politics is more complicated and if she's been insulated from newspapers, TV, etc. as much as the Duggar side she'd really have to work to get up to speed. I would suspect that the pressure to 'spill dirt' in the book would be overwhelming. Nobody wants to listen to her if she toes the line on the religious stuff, and if she leaves Josh, but tries to keep preaching the same message as the Duggars - she won't even get the support of like-minded people. However, if she starts talking trash and says bad things about their brand of faith, and starts railing on Josh - she will be excommunicated from all her friends, family and support. Breaking out on your own is never easy. Even harder if you defy the entire belief system you were raised with and therefore lose everyone you love. And even harder if you are told that you will burn in hell for all eternity if you do so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 9:36:44 GMT -5
I would suspect that the pressure to 'spill dirt' in the book would be overwhelming. Nobody wants to listen to her if she toes the line on the religious stuff, and if she leaves Josh, but tries to keep preaching the same message as the Duggars - she won't even get the support of like-minded people. However, if she starts talking trash and says bad things about their brand of faith, and starts railing on Josh - she will be excommunicated from all her friends, family and support. There could be a middle ground- she could speak from the point of view of a survivor and tell other women how to protect themselves/look after themselves, or how to deal with the aftermath of reporting abuse. There's still a lot of silent shame among survivors and probably still a lot of unreported abuse, and not just among the uber-religious. She could educate people and raise consciousness without talking trash about her own situation.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 19, 2015 9:55:41 GMT -5
I have read that while Anna's siblings are pressuring her to leave Josh (she has one sister with a failed marriage, so she would not be the first, should she leave Josh), her parents are pressuring her to stay. And the Duggar girls have been seen with her at a variety of Christian-oriented functions, which I assume is supposed to look like some kind of support system, but seems to smack of almost babysitting or guarding. It's almost as if the Duggars are afraid to let her get away, lest they lose their influence over her. And of course, access to her kids. The Duggars, and the whole church for that matter, really cannot afford to have Anna tell what she knows in a book, or a sit-down interview. As much harm as Josh has already done, that would be even worse. They have to keep Anna quiet and at least reasonably happy. I agree that at the moment, her marketable skills are minimal, at least when it comes to making sufficient money right now to support herself and four small children on her own. She can develop skills, but if she breaks away, she leaves behind much of what she knows. And for her, that may be more frightening than the financial aspect. When you've been offered few avenues in life, plotting a new course seems impossible. It's doable to us, but that's because few of us have lived as sheltered a life as she has. ETA: Just saw a mention that possibly, Josh Duggar left rehab earlier than the rehab folks wanted him to, and may have been taken to another rehab center, or even home to Arkansas. And that his addiction to porn started much earlier than his family realized. www.msn.com/en-us/tv/celebrity/exclusive-porn-was-found-on-josh-duggars-computer-when-he-was-a-teenager-source-says/ar-BBnb9UM
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Post by thyme4change on Nov 19, 2015 12:28:23 GMT -5
I would suspect that the pressure to 'spill dirt' in the book would be overwhelming. Nobody wants to listen to her if she toes the line on the religious stuff, and if she leaves Josh, but tries to keep preaching the same message as the Duggars - she won't even get the support of like-minded people. However, if she starts talking trash and says bad things about their brand of faith, and starts railing on Josh - she will be excommunicated from all her friends, family and support. There could be a middle ground- she could speak from the point of view of a survivor and tell other women how to protect themselves/look after themselves, or how to deal with the aftermath of reporting abuse. There's still a lot of silent shame among survivors and probably still a lot of unreported abuse, and not just among the uber-religious. She could educate people and raise consciousness without talking trash about her own situation. She wasn't the one who was abused. This is Josh's wife, not his sisters. I am not sure how unique her point of view would be except to continue to support the re-hab he is doing, which doesn't sound like traditional counseling. It sounds like Jesus Camp. Unless she accepts the blame for his transgressions during marriage, she will be chastised by the Duggars and others in their faith.
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Post by emma1420 on Nov 19, 2015 12:59:28 GMT -5
There could be a middle ground- she could speak from the point of view of a survivor and tell other women how to protect themselves/look after themselves, or how to deal with the aftermath of reporting abuse. There's still a lot of silent shame among survivors and probably still a lot of unreported abuse, and not just among the uber-religious. She could educate people and raise consciousness without talking trash about her own situation. She wasn't the one who was abused. This is Josh's wife, not his sisters. I am not sure how unique her point of view would be except to continue to support the re-hab he is doing, which doesn't sound like traditional counseling. It sounds like Jesus Camp. Unless she accepts the blame for his transgressions during marriage, she will be chastised by the Duggars and others in their faith. I just don't think there would be any interest in a book from Anna unless it was a tell-all that spilled the dirt. And, to do that she would have to betray not only her current beliefs, but also her family. She would have her siblings, but she would probably be alienated from the people she loves the most. I feel sorry for her, because I don't think she has a lot of options. She's got four young children, minimal education, few marketable skills, and not a lot of the social skills needed to do well in the workplace (skills that get developed in high school, college, part-time jobs, etc.). Not to mention, she's spent her entire life being told that she exists to serve her husband, father, FIL, or whatever other man is considered "important".
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 13:03:33 GMT -5
"Porn Star sues Josh Duggar for sexual harassment" ETS - Real headline on my home page this morning.
You gotta be the lowest of scum when a porn star accuses you of sexual harassment!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Nov 19, 2015 13:09:26 GMT -5
OK, how any of you say that Anna has "few" options? Is she really the first and only woman in US with small children and no marketable skills ?
As much as we can all bitch about certain things in this country, there are plenty of options for anyone, including her.
Are they easy? No. But there are options.
BTW, when I volunteered for abused women organization - it was a religious one and there were a good number of women who had many children, who were older and had no "marketable" skills. The ones who wanted to get out and build a different life did.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 19, 2015 13:17:00 GMT -5
That may be the difference, Lena. She has to want to leave, and want to do something totally alien to what she has now. Brought up as she has been, married and pregnant four times (actually, five times including one miscarriage), she may not be able to imagine anything beyond what she can see right now. And Jim Bob buying her a house near them, so he can keep tabs and influence her decisions - not helping any independent thought she may have.
I don's think anyone here suggested it's impossible for her to move on and out of her current situation. But the Duggars will not make that easy. Legally, they cannot stop her - she's an adult woman. But they can make her miserable for trying, and so can her parents. The issue is: how much can she live with, or live without, to live the life she wants to live?
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Post by MJ2.0 on Nov 19, 2015 13:32:49 GMT -5
"Porn Star sues Josh Duggar for sexual harassment" ETS - Real headline on my home page this morning.
You gotta be the lowest of scum when a porn star accuses you of sexual harassment! porn stars are people, too!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 19, 2015 13:50:19 GMT -5
"Porn Star sues Josh Duggar for sexual harassment" ETS - Real headline on my home page this morning.
You gotta be the lowest of scum when a porn star accuses you of sexual harassment! porn stars are people, too! Look, I know you mentioned something about making extra money, but...
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 19, 2015 14:03:57 GMT -5
"Porn Star sues Josh Duggar for sexual harassment" ETS - Real headline on my home page this morning.
You gotta be the lowest of scum when a porn star accuses you of sexual harassment! porn stars are people, too! Fourteen minutes of fame.
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Nov 19, 2015 14:27:03 GMT -5
porn stars are people, too! Fourteen minutes of fame. Could be some money there. Not from him personally, but the Duggar family as a business entity still has bucks. The TLC show was not their only income source. And they also still command decent money; people still pay to hear them speak at conventions and church functions. Not saying it's right, but I'm not the one forking over the admission price. I'm thinking Jim Bob and Michele could decide it's worth paying her off to make her go away.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 19, 2015 14:58:05 GMT -5
"Porn Star sues Josh Duggar for sexual harassment" ETS - Real headline on my home page this morning.
You gotta be the lowest of scum when a porn star accuses you of sexual harassment! porn stars are people, too! Yes, but they are people that tolerate a lot of things that most people would consider sexual harassment. So you have to be pretty bad to get that particular accusation from one of them...
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 19, 2015 15:01:17 GMT -5
porn stars are people, too! Yes, but they are people that tolerate a lot of things that most people would consider sexual harassment. So you have to be pretty bad to get that particular accusation from one of them... Then she becomes a more famous porn star-more jobs (read $$$) so to speak.
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