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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 14, 2011 16:40:29 GMT -5
Above is a photo of the Japanese city of Hiroshima which was completely detroyed by an American atomic bomb in 1945. Below is a photo of the American city of Detroit, Michigan, completely destroyed by decades of liberal Democrat / Union influence. Several conservative talk show hosts and bloggers have used this imagery to suggest liberalism is worse than an atomic bomb, but I want to test the theory here: Begin with the assumption that everyone survives the blast, and forgetting about the radiation levels, and assuming the city government officials of Detroit had supernatural powers to cheat death would you rather your city: a) Have an atomic bomb the size of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 hit your city today? or b) Have the exact same people that ran Detroit run your city for the next 50 years? Answer is easy for me. Just wondering what you all think. My guess is that even liberals will have to think long and hard about this question.
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Post by Angel! on Mar 14, 2011 16:47:38 GMT -5
So we are making a comparison using atomic bomb, while ignoring everything about it that makes it an atomic bomb. Nice!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 16:52:06 GMT -5
Short term - it would be a nightmare.
Long term - it would be awesome!
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 16:53:25 GMT -5
So we are making a comparison using atomic bomb, while ignoring everything about it that makes it an atomic bomb. Nice! Hiroshima is thriving! Detroit - well not so much.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 16:54:05 GMT -5
So we are making a comparison using atomic bomb, while ignoring everything about it that makes it an atomic bomb. Nice! no kidding. what was that someone said earlier about posting questions to drive an agenda?
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Post by steff on Mar 14, 2011 17:05:35 GMT -5
only time I've ever wished for the smite button.... this is ridiculous
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:16:38 GMT -5
only time I've ever wished for the smite button.... this is ridiculous Not really - I think the point is that liberal policies are very crippling to the well being of a community.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:39:22 GMT -5
I don't understand it.Everyone ove the age of 12 in Detroit has a gun.There should be no crime,....
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:42:17 GMT -5
I don't understand it.Everyone ove the age of 12 in Detroit has a gun.There should be no crime,.... well not because liberals want them too
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 14, 2011 17:44:01 GMT -5
Above is a photo of the Japanese city of Hiroshima which was completely detroyed by an American atomic bomb in 1945. Below is a photo of the American city of Detroit, Michigan, completely destroyed by decades of liberal Democrat / Union influence. Several conservative talk show hosts and bloggers have used this imagery to suggest liberalism is worse than an atomic bomb, but I want to test the theory here: Begin with the assumption that everyone survives the blast, and forgetting about the radiation levels, and assuming the city government officials of Detroit had supernatural powers to cheat death would you rather your city: a) Have an atomic bomb the size of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 hit your city today? or b) Have the exact same people that ran Detroit run your city for the next 50 years? Answer is easy for me. Just wondering what you all think. My guess is that even liberals will have to think long and hard about this question. That the answer is easy for you is because you have a one track mind regarding all things evil in the universe is moderate and politically left , but since your brought up Hiroshima, there was also Nagasaki, possible also a bright city, destroyed in 1945, and your insinuating that all the disintegration of the US, {I don't think were there yet, but besides that,,} is the fault of Democrats because they are the party of liberalism, since 1945 we have had eight years of Eisenhower, 8 years of Nixon and Ford, 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush senior, 8 years of Bush Jr. That adds up to 34 years. We had 8 years of Truman/Roosevelt, 8 years of Johnson and Kennedy, 4 years of Carter,8 years of Clinton and 2 1/2 years of Obama. That's 30 1/2... If my math is correct the conservative side has the moderate/liberal side beat by 3 and a half years,[politically , a long time } so your argument , really doesn't hold much water does it.
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Post by ugonow on Mar 14, 2011 17:45:14 GMT -5
I have to think quite a few of them shouldn't, I will admit that.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:46:56 GMT -5
Above is a photo of the Japanese city of Hiroshima which was completely detroyed by an American atomic bomb in 1945. Below is a photo of the American city of Detroit, Michigan, completely destroyed by decades of liberal Democrat / Union influence. Several conservative talk show hosts and bloggers have used this imagery to suggest liberalism is worse than an atomic bomb, but I want to test the theory here: Begin with the assumption that everyone survives the blast, and forgetting about the radiation levels, and assuming the city government officials of Detroit had supernatural powers to cheat death would you rather your city: a) Have an atomic bomb the size of the one that was dropped on Hiroshima in 1945 hit your city today? or b) Have the exact same people that ran Detroit run your city for the next 50 years? Answer is easy for me. Just wondering what you all think. My guess is that even liberals will have to think long and hard about this question. That the answer is easy for you is because you have a one track mind regarding all things evil in the universe is moderate and politically left , but since your brought up Hiroshima, there was also Nagasaki, possible also a bright city, destroyed in 1945, and your insinuating that all the disintegration of the US, {I don't think were there yet, but besides that,,} is the fault of Democrats because they are the party of liberalism, since 1945 we have had eight years of Eisenhower, 8 years of Nixon and Ford, 8 years of Reagan, 4 years of Bush senior, 8 years of Bush Jr. That adds up to 34 years. We had 8 years of Truman/Roosevelt, 8 years of Johnson and Kennedy, 4 years of Carter,8 years of Clinton and 2 1/2 years of Obama. That's 30 1/2... If my math is correct the conservative side has the moderate/liberal side beat by 3 and a half years,[politically , a long time } so your argument , really doesn't hold much water does it. It's the state and local political control here
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 17:47:22 GMT -5
I have to think quite a few of them shouldn't, I will admit that. agreed
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Post by hello fromWarsaw on Mar 14, 2011 17:48:12 GMT -5
Japan has had liberal gov't since WWII....Detroits problems have nothing to do with STUPID Big 3 management until recently, and white flight to the suburbs? Duh.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 14, 2011 17:53:43 GMT -5
Is Liberalism Worse Than An Atomic Bomb?
Probably NOT IMHO but did indeed cause the state of California to become a finacial disaster because of the liberalism exerted in Sacramento CA for the past eight years.
Now we have a liberal governor Jerry Brown trying to clean up this financial mess by the only thing liberals do well..raise our taxes again but not touch the state workers wages or pensions that have the state on the verge or bankruptcy this year.
Detroit's fall began in the late 70s when Japan began to ship better cars and trucks to the USA and Detroit Automakers were too slow to recover or compete with Japan's Auto Industry....Not sure that liberalism can be blamed for that but the recovery in Detroit was slowed by incompetent Detroit politicians for decades ..
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 18:01:31 GMT -5
Is Liberalism Worse Than An Atomic Bomb?Probably NOT IMHO but did indeed cause the state of California to become a finacial disaster because of the liberalism exerted in Sacramento CA for the past eight years. Now we have a liberal governor Jerry Brown trying to clean up this financial mess by the only thing liberals do well..raise our taxes again but not touch the state workers wages or pensions that have the state on the verge or bankruptcy this year. Detroit's fall began in the late 70s when Japan began to ship better cars and trucks to the USA and Detroit Automakers were too slow to recover or compete with Japan's Auto Industry.... LOL - sounds like Illinois
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 14, 2011 19:45:41 GMT -5
Is Liberalism Worse Than An Atomic Bomb?Probably NOT IMHO but did indeed cause the state of California to become a finacial disaster because of the liberalism exerted in Sacramento CA for the past eight years. Now we have a liberal governor Jerry Brown trying to clean up this financial mess by the only thing liberals do well..raise our taxes again but not touch the state workers wages or pensions that have the state on the verge or bankruptcy this year. Detroit's fall began in the late 70s when Japan began to ship better cars and trucks to the USA and Detroit Automakers were too slow to recover or compete with Japan's Auto Industry....Not sure that liberalism can be blamed for that but the recovery in Detroit was slowed by incompetent Detroit politicians for decades .. Well finally, a post of the toubles of our country' woes and OBAMA is not mentioned as the culprtit...
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Post by handyman2 on Mar 14, 2011 20:04:48 GMT -5
Not sure how you draw the comparison. Detroit is a city that thrived on one major industry. When that industry modernized it failed to do so in Detroit. Thus the need for much of that cities product became obsolete. It was more of a matter of foresite than liberalism to me.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 20:09:26 GMT -5
Not sure how you draw the comparison. Detroit is a city that thrived on one major industry. When that industry modernized it failed to do so in Detroit. Thus the need for much of that cities product became obsolete. It was more of a matter of foresite than liberalism to me. ? We still buy cars I got it - it was the unions.
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Post by formerexpat on Mar 14, 2011 20:43:04 GMT -5
Capital infusion rushed to Japan after WWII, including LT loans from the US to Japan to help build up the country [as was the case in England and Germany].
Capital couldn't rush out of the big 3 fast enough as investors realized the burden of the long term post retirement benefits that the union "negotiated" would bring the company down, regardless of the actions of management.
As for the politicians in Detroit; they've been under the unions thumb for decades.
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Post by vonnie6200 on Mar 14, 2011 21:10:15 GMT -5
Capital infusion rushed to Japan after WWII, including LT loans from the US to Japan to help build up the country [as was the case in England and Germany]. Capital couldn't rush out of the big 3 fast enough as investors realized the burden of the long term post retirement benefits that the union "negotiated" would bring the company down, regardless of the actions of management. As for the politicians in Detroit; they've been under the unions thumb for decades. And why would anyone fault Gov. Walker for trying to save his state from a similar fate?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 14, 2011 21:20:55 GMT -5
Can you imagine if all the liberals in the US had a conference in detroit and an atom bomb was dropped on the city...
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2011 21:21:59 GMT -5
palmbeachpaul-you could at least use a picture of Hiroshima from 1945 and not one from today. As to your question: Liberalism is better than an atomic bomb: Detroit: Hiroshima right after the atomic bomb: Detroit simply needs a bit of civic pride and some cleaning up. Hiroshima in August 1945, far more to fix it up. A final note palmbeachpaul-your starting a thread using Hiroshima as an example of a damaged city and the ongoing disasters in Japan what with the earthquakes, tsunamis and now exploding nuclear power facilities and leaking radiation exhibits the caring, sensitive side of your personality. Kudos.
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Post by chiver78 on Mar 14, 2011 21:24:18 GMT -5
A final note palmbeachpaul-your starting a thread using Hiroshima as an example of a damaged city and the ongoing disasters in Japan what with the earthquakes, tsunamis and now exploding nuclear power facilities and leaking radiation exhibits the caring, sensitive side of your personality. Kudos. <<karma>> when I recharge!
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Post by marjar on Mar 14, 2011 23:45:54 GMT -5
Karma to Tenn.
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 15, 2011 0:08:00 GMT -5
Tenn..your cleaning up here, that's why I am glad we have them, there are the silly ones given out for some into the #'s game..then there are the ones people earn when they post intelligently and with sensitivity.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 8:14:59 GMT -5
With many of the Japanese automakers production coming to a halt because of the disasters in Japan, it may bring more car buyers to Detroit automakers. Most Japanese car manufacturers have suspended production indefintely both inside and outside the earthquake zone.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 8:20:33 GMT -5
Yes Hondas and Nissans cars are manufactured in the United States which also includes the Prius and the Toyota's Scion, and Hondas Fit....However Japan auto production has been severally hit by the earthquakes as well as their electronics industry.
Probably a bit premature to know how bad this will be for their major sources of revenues from their Manufacturing businesses..
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Post by Deleted on Mar 15, 2011 8:23:46 GMT -5
How odd. My wife & I were talking about something very similar to: Is Liberalism Worse Than An Is Atomic Bomb? this weekend as we were driving around. While I wouldn't compare it to the atomic bomb, the question that we came up with was: Which was more destructive to the U.S. Liberalism or the attack of Pearl Harbor. Facts as we see them (liberals would look at it totally different of course): Pearl Harbor attack: About 3,000 dead, millions of dollars in damage (understand we didn't include the war that followed). Liberalism: No deaths but it has certainly ruined a huge amount of lives & affected generations. From the new liberal don't fail anyone because they won't feel good about themselves schools (which graduate kids that can't even read & in no way are prepared to make a living). To the social programs that then support those kids up for the rest of their lives (or any other under achiever for that matter). We were both kind of depressed after our discussion but there was one bright spot. Liberals hate Wal-Mart (it's one of their causes, hating Wal-Mart), but by their very actions they have set in motion the creation of Wal-Mart's next generation of workers (living on welfare & earning minimum wage). That struck us as kind of funny.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 15, 2011 8:32:44 GMT -5
Yea but you still have Federal and State Democrats who believe that Liberalism is the greatest and what our country needs to insure a full economic recovery. We have a battle in California between Liberalism vs Conservatism going on for the past few weeks in Sacramento, CA....The state legislature plans to put at least part of Jerry Brown's tax increases to a vote this week. And the Republicans and Democrats are split on this issue to raise or extend taxes which means they will pass it off to the voters to decide. Anyone in the Republican Party who supports tax increases will be labeled a Traitor at the Republican state convention this weekend
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