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Post by whoisjohngalt on Oct 27, 2015 23:17:38 GMT -5
29 with one teacher is pretty bad. Ours is 24 kids with one teacher and two assistants, although only one of the assistants is a licensed teacher. The other is an early education major college student. To me, it's such an interesting perspective. Where I am from, 30-35 kids was a standarde. class size. One teacher. No such things as "aids", but we also didn't have any special needs kids. Or if we did - they weren't officially "special needs". Then again, our 1st grade, which started at 7 yr old was only 4 hrs long, so may be it was easier.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 6:59:07 GMT -5
I also went to school in large classes. Kids spoke English and behaved. Not anymore.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 7:25:28 GMT -5
29 with one teacher is pretty bad. Ours is 24 kids with one teacher and two assistants, although only one of the assistants is a licensed teacher. The other is an early education major college student. To me, it's such an interesting perspective. Where I am from, 30-35 kids was a standarde. class size. One teacher. No such things as "aids", but we also didn't have any special needs kids. Or if we did - they weren't officially "special needs". Then again, our 1st grade, which started at 7 yr old was only 4 hrs long, so may be it was easier. But Kindy is normally age 5. I wouldn't be comfortable taking my kid to a daycare with 29 kids and one provider because I have a hard time believing one person can effectively watch that many kids. To be able to TEACH them all too? Yikes. I can see being able to do that in the higher grade school grades but in Kindy there's always a kid crying, one that had a bathroom accident, one that's melting crayons on the radiator...all at the same time! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png)
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 28, 2015 8:03:00 GMT -5
To me, it's such an interesting perspective. Where I am from, 30-35 kids was a standarde. class size. One teacher. No such things as "aids", but we also didn't have any special needs kids. Or if we did - they weren't officially "special needs". Then again, our 1st grade, which started at 7 yr old was only 4 hrs long, so may be it was easier. But Kindy is normally age 5. I wouldn't be comfortable taking my kid to a daycare with 29 kids and one provider because I have a hard time believing one person can effectively watch that many kids. To be able to TEACH them all too? Yikes. I can see being able to do that in the higher grade school grades but in Kindy there's always a kid crying, one that had a bathroom accident, one that's melting crayons on the radiator...all at the same time! ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) And then there's dealing with the parents! We've got a brand new, never taught before, freshly minted, 23 year old K5 teacher in the kids' school. My DS doesn't have her but I talk to a mom who's daughter does. This is NOT a happy parent. And it's not so much what her child is or isn't learning (because there's a more or less standard learning plan for all 4 classes in this grade level) it's horrible to non-existent communication at this point. But the new teacher still got 24-24 kids, just like the rest.
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Post by yogiii on Oct 28, 2015 8:17:26 GMT -5
There are 17 kids in my DS's public K class with 1 teacher and 1 aide and they often have parent volunteers. I've done it twice so far. They keep telling us how big the class is. They've broken the kids up into 4 groups and they do work at their stations by group. They have recess, snack and each activity seems to only last 10-15 mins. Some of the other classes only have 12 kids (it's half day public K and they need to re-district). K at daycare for the other half of the day is a class of 6, one teacher.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Oct 28, 2015 8:34:21 GMT -5
There are 17 kids in my DS's public K class with 1 teacher and 1 aide and they often have parent volunteers. I've done it twice so far. They keep telling us how big the class is. They've broken the kids up into 4 groups and they do work at their stations by group. They have recess, snack and each activity seems to only last 10-15 mins. Some of the other classes only have 12 kids (it's half day public K and they need to re-district). K at daycare for the other half of the day is a class of 6, one teacher. I think they're counting on most of the kids having been in some kind of day care situation and able to go with the flow for K4 and K5. If I had to guess, I'd estimate that maybe 1/4 to 1/3 of the K4 grade level at my kids' school has/had a SAHP and they weren't in dcp.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 28, 2015 9:05:00 GMT -5
We have done something like this from both ends just at public schools. When DD was little she went to a school that had something like a 90% of the students on free lunch and breakfast. It was a very working class neighborhood with a few middle class professionals mixed in. There were a few families that were ripped from a Jerry Springer show, but most were nice and hard working, just really low income for people who worked as hard as they did. Most of the kids walked to school. It was a small school, like 350 kids for 6 grades. So every kid and teacher knew everyone else. Those kids absolutely notices my DD's clothes looked new or at least like they hadn't come from goodwill. She learned real quick how to dress for school so she didn't stand out like a sore thumb. It was hard some days trying to explain that just because we owned our home, had food in the house, and new clothes when we needed them, we were most definitely not rich. Then we moved to our home now. Although not as rich as Millee described it is still a very rich area. Less CEO or judge and more the pizza shop and ice cream stand owners but they do live in half to a million dollar homes and give their kids new cars for their 17th birthdays. And although they didn't like it most didn't have any problems writing $20K-$40K checks a year for college when the time came. She did make some friends who would look totally confused when they realized we didn't have a second floor or that we only had one bathroom. Most couldn't figure out how we could live that way literally. But I have to say most were pretty nice if sheltered in a different way than I would have thought. Most had walk in closets bigger than any bedroom DD ever had plus their own bathroom. Some of the parents were also pretty cool. One parent was so funny when DD said something in answer to her friend question about vacation that she wasn't rich like her. Dad was real quick to jump in and he and his wife maybe but his kids weren't rich they had nothing, he just lets them live there. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/tongue.png) The biggest difference in the academics which are better where we are now although not by as much as I would have thought, is more that in that district there is more of a tracting going on. I know they aren't supposed to but you can tell that some kids get pushed into the academic classes or magnet type schools while others are just put in classes that teach the min and I don't mean because they have learning disabilities. The thing that stood out first is how much more drugs there are at the richer schools. I guess it makes sense to go where the money is but it shocked me how many kids were doing drugs at the richy rich suburban school next to the poor urban ones. And I don't mean smoking a joint I mean acid and herion.
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Post by zibazinski on Oct 28, 2015 11:15:36 GMT -5
Rich people = better drugs
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Oct 28, 2015 15:38:15 GMT -5
Poor people are limited to the drugs you can grow yourself or cobble together from things you can get at the convenience store.
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Post by 973beachbum on Oct 28, 2015 15:42:07 GMT -5
I totally agree with you two I just want to add for emphasis because I have known parents who basically paid their life savings away for their kids to go to the fancy schamcy private school thinking it meant the kids ticket to Princeton only to find out their kids got hooked on heroin instead. ![](http://images.proboards.com/new/sad.png)
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Post by Deleted on Oct 28, 2015 15:44:22 GMT -5
Well, the poor kids using meth aren't much better off. If they have addiction problems drugs are available at any income level.
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Post by mojothehelpermonkey on Oct 28, 2015 15:44:20 GMT -5
Back on the OT, one of the not so obvious benefits of the fancy private college that I went to was that the student health services took my anxiety disorder seriously and helped me treat it at minimal cost and inconvenience.
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Post by 8 Bit WWBG on Oct 28, 2015 20:50:04 GMT -5
If the school was all that, and we really were able to get in for a substantial discount, then maybe, yeah. $3k/year is what many people take on annually as a car payment. To be paying that from K-12 and still try to save for college and retirement would be a big challenge.
Kids who want to be cruel will find something to be cruel about. There is NO escaping that. Probably doesn't matter if your kid is being teased about having not having a lake house, or snorting milk through the nose. It all sucks.
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