Punishment Fit The Infraction?

[Value Buy]

Oct 6, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

He wouldn't have had to have been fired if that were my son, he'd have been a spot on the concrete by the time I was done with him.

Nice to know it's terrible being a racist, but it's okay to beat the crap out of him.
Also, please notice the "likes" on this post. 

[bobosensei]

Someone said this guy was in the marketing department.  If that's true then he isn't very good at his job, and regardless of whether or not you think the behavior was related to his ability to do the job and deserving of the consequence the bottom line is that it was poor judgement.  So in a sense it totally relates to his job.  You don't want a marketing person with bad judgement- someone that might make an outrageous public statement (or not be able to recognize an outrageous statement) before thinking it through.  Even what he's doing afterwards is shameful.  It looks like the majority of public opinion is that he is wrong for what he said or at least what he let others to say and then remain up on his profile, but he is trying to make himself look like a victim.  A clever marketing person could do a better job at handling this.  All the marketing and PR people I know are very careful with the personal images they project because they know the first thing a company will look at when decided to hire them is how they manage their own "brand"

We continue to see cases where people are fired or publicly persecuted for things they do on their own time that have nothing to do with work.  That's just the new reality.  If you post things online people can and will use it against you later.  Before social media was so pervasive I feel like more issues went unaddressed.  Your whole office might know you were a sorry sack of sh!t, but companies would ignore it if you got good results.  They could claim they didn't know something even if they really did, but social media has changed this.  Companies aren't willing to take the public backlash of keeping someone that acts in ways that the majority will condemn.  And even though there is a tiny part of me that thinks a place I work for has no business in my personal life, I also know that it is then up to me not to start a blog or not to post about how I beat my wife or dog or hate a certain group of people.  And I can't help but think that it is better for dirtbags that actually do those kinds of things to be weeded out of the workforce.  You risk losing good employees otherwise.

Most of the jerks I have worked with have more than one regrettable issue, and the stuff that is visible is usually the most tame.  And in the case with this guy if he truly was not racist then the mom of the child would have come to his defense.  She would have said publicly that she didn't take offense to the feral comment and that she knew it was a joke.  But she didn't do that, and I'd wager that is because the guy has said and done worse to her or others before.

[milee]

Oct 6, 2015 21:55:05 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And this stuff happens because people take their cute little kids to work and everyone starts thinking they are the next Jimmie Fallon.
Where was mom when this selfie was taken? Why wasn't the chlld with her?

Interesting logic here. So this guy's racism and ethical breach in posting the picture of a child that isn't his without permission is the fault of the mother for bringing her child to work?

It's up to the company to decide if it's appropriate for an employee to bring a child to work. And if the company doesn't allow bringing children to work, then the appropriate remedy is for the manager(s) or owner(s) to discuss the issue with the employee, not for some random employee to ridicule or mistreat the child.  I have sometimes allowed employees to bring children to work and I have sometimes brought my children to work.  I'd be livid if another employee mistreated any of those children, whether the children were supposed to be there or not.

[yogiii]

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[trippypea]

The earlier articles showed more screenshots of things said, which included more than one comment by the original guy, so his claim that all he said was 'the kid is feral' isn't true. Even if he claims it wasn't racist, at the very least, he created a hostile work environment, and that should be a reasonable offense to fire someone for. He was out of line...

[Tennesseer]

Oct 6, 2015 21:57:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 6, 2015 14:38:33 GMT -5 NomoreDramaQ1015 said:

He wouldn't have had to have been fired if that were my son, he'd have been a spot on the concrete by the time I was done with him.

Nice to know it's terrible being a racist, but it's okay to beat the crap out of him.
Also, please notice the "likes" on this post. 

How did I miss the quote with all the noted 'likes'? I just added my 'like' to it.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 6, 2015 21:55:05 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Why, oh why, would anyone do a selfie at work and post it?

And this stuff happens because people take their cute little kids to work and everyone starts thinking they are the next Jimmie Fallon.
Where was mom when this selfie was taken? Why wasn't the chlld with her?

And you know the child's mother was not maybe 5 feet away how?

[Deleted]

All of it repulses me, but I think the woman chiming in right away with "I didn't know you were a slave owner", is the worst.  I don't know why it seems 10X worse to me for a woman to say something like that, but it does.  I guess I like to think women have more sense and compassion then men.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 7, 2015 7:22:13 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

All of it repulses me, but I think the woman chiming in right away with "I didn't know you were a slave owner", is the worst.  I don't know why it seems 10X worse to me for a woman to say something like that, but it does.  I guess I like to think women have more sense and compassion then men.

The woman who made your noted comment, Emily Irene Red, was allegedly fired by employer due to her comments.

""> Multiple Firings After Racially Charged Facebook Remarks Mocking a Black Child Go Viral

[Value Buy]

Oct 7, 2015 6:55:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Oct 6, 2015 21:57:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Nice to know it's terrible being a racist, but it's okay to beat the crap out of him.
Also, please notice the "likes" on this post. 

How did I miss the quote with all the noted 'likes'? I just added my 'like' to it.

Everyone on this board abhors racism.
That's a given. I hope.....
Everyone claims to abhor violence, but here it is in black and white, with people agreeing he deserves it. we have some pretty far out human rights advocates here.
And I agree with his being fired, but It would be for wasting time on FB, with the outrageous comments being icing on the cake.

[Tennesseer]

Oct 7, 2015 8:10:14 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Oct 7, 2015 6:55:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

How did I miss the quote with all the noted 'likes'? I just added my 'like' to it.

Everyone on this board abhors racism.
That's a given. I hope.....
Everyone claims to abhor violence, but here it is in black and white, with people agreeing he deserves it. we have some pretty far out human rights advocates here.
And I agree with his being fired, but It would be for wasting time on FB, with the outrageous comments being icing on the cake.

And how many of those posters who 'liked' the post do you think would actually pummel the guy into a bloody mess at their feet?

ETA: There is a poster on the Politics board who recently stated the U.S. should have nuked Kabul and all its innocent citizens for not handing over Osama Bin Laden. He also stated the U.S. should nuke Mecca and Medina to show them who's boss. Why don't you ever criticize his voiced violence against others?

[Deleted]

Oct 7, 2015 8:30:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And how many of those posters who 'liked' the post do you think would actually pummel the guy into a bloody mess at their feet?

Exactly.  I would feel intense anger at anyone that did something like that to my son and would really WANT to beat them to a pulp, and wish I could, but in reality I would temper the rage and handle it differently.   I would beat him to a pulp legally. 

[Value Buy]

Oct 7, 2015 8:49:35 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Oct 7, 2015 8:30:01 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

And how many of those posters who 'liked' the post do you think would actually pummel the guy into a bloody mess at their feet?

Exactly.  I would feel intense anger at anyone that did something like that to my son and would really WANT to beat them to a pulp, and wish I could, but in reality I would temper the rage and handle it differently.   I would beat him to a pulp legally. 

But.... since this poster is considered level headed, it's ok to make asinine statements and not receive pushback from his/ her friends, whereas, if you are a "minority view" poster here you get buried in bad responses.  

We have gun legislation threads saying people are wrong for not coming forward reporting a mass killer had bad thoughts and expressed violent thoughts, before the actual act, but here, it's ok to basically say I'd kill him.

[mojothehelpermonkey]

Oct 7, 2015 2:18:55 GMT -5 milee said:

Oct 6, 2015 21:55:05 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

And this stuff happens because people take their cute little kids to work and everyone starts thinking they are the next Jimmie Fallon.
Where was mom when this selfie was taken? Why wasn't the chlld with her?

Interesting logic here. So this guy's racism and ethical breach in posting the picture of a child that isn't his without permission is the fault of the mother for bringing her child to work?

It's up to the company to decide if it's appropriate for an employee to bring a child to work. And if the company doesn't allow bringing children to work, then the appropriate remedy is for the manager(s) or owner(s) to discuss the issue with the employee, not for some random employee to ridicule or mistreat the child.  I have sometimes allowed employees to bring children to work and I have sometimes brought my children to work.  I'd be livid if another employee mistreated any of those children, whether the children were supposed to be there or not.

A quote from the president of the company:
"This morning I was disgusted to learn that one of my former employees made several racially charged comments on his personal Facebook page. Even worse, the comments were directed toward the son of another employee.

It breaks my heart that Sydney and her adorable son Cayden were subjected to such hateful, ignorant and despicable behavior. Cayden visits my office almost every afternoon after daycare, he’s sat at my dinner table and I consider him a part of the PMG family. "
www.rawstory.com/2015/10/atlanta-man-gets-himself-and-his-friends-fired-by-mocking-black-child-in-racist-facebook-selfie/

It sounds like the boss doesn't mind the kid being in the office occasionally.

[GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl]

Even if his posting of the picture was not intended to be racist or perjorative in any way, Geris had an obligation to delete the post once it turned that direction or risk being associated with the racism and insults.  

He did not take the post down, so the punishment fits the crime.  JMHO.  YMMV.

  In the hands of stupid people, Facebook can be their own worst enemy.  Not to mention what it does to the swath of people they take down with them.  

I have skeletal account because I am afraid a friend will post some thing stupid or malicious and I will be forever linked to hi/her post.  DSs have essentially abandoned Facebook for that very reason preferring carefully-used Snapchat and Instagram.  In between our age groups there appears to be a certain population who still hasn't learned how to wisely use social media.  

[Deleted]

The moronic things people put on Facebook baffles me.  Back in the crazy days when DH was using there was this one girl (a daughter of one of DH's friends) that was contacting him all the time so I started stalking her on Facebook.  She would post about drugs and getting high and drunk all the time (she was in high school) and one time her status update was "I'm stoned as hell and headed to work.  Hope I don't **** up."  And her entire profile was public.

[mojothehelpermonkey]

Facebook has definitely exposed some interesting sides of friends and family that I had known for years before it was a thing. Sometimes when a really offensive or personal (over-sharing) rant shows up in my feed, I want to reply saying "EVERYBODY CAN SEE THIS!!". Instead, I just hit the unfollow button.

[Miss Tequila]

I haven't read all of the replies but the article I read this morning said the employee didn't post the racist stuff but his friends replied with racist and disgusting comments

If he didn't actually post anything racist then Im not sure I agree. Of course, that is assuming that he didn't see the racist comments. I do know that not everyone is very active on facebook so I don't think it is fair to fire someone for what their facebook friends post. And that is why I have blocked everyone that works for me...I can't control what someone posts if I don't see it before it offends someone

[Miss Tequila]

You all seem to have more info than I got by the earlier article so ignore my post!

[thyme4change]

Oct 7, 2015 15:38:30 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I haven't read all of the replies but the article I read this morning said the employee didn't post the racist stuff but his friends replied with racist and disgusting comments

If he didn't actually post anything racist then Im not sure I agree. Of course, that is assuming that he didn't see the racist comments. I do know that not everyone is very active on facebook so I don't think it is fair to fire someone for what their facebook friends post. And that is why I have blocked everyone that works for me...I can't control what someone posts if I don't see it before it offends someone

I guess one could argue that saying that he was abandoned in the projects only exposes the stereotype that everyone in the projects is black.  But, I doubt he would have said that about a white kid.  

[Miss Tequila]

Oct 7, 2015 19:18:14 GMT -5 thyme4change said:

Oct 7, 2015 15:38:30 GMT -5 Miss Tequila said:

I haven't read all of the replies but the article I read this morning said the employee didn't post the racist stuff but his friends replied with racist and disgusting comments

If he didn't actually post anything racist then Im not sure I agree. Of course, that is assuming that he didn't see the racist comments. I do know that not everyone is very active on facebook so I don't think it is fair to fire someone for what their facebook friends post. And that is why I have blocked everyone that works for me...I can't control what someone posts if I don't see it before it offends someone

I guess one could argue that saying that he was abandoned in the projects only exposes the stereotype that everyone in the projects is black.  But, I doubt he would have said that about a white kid.  

I didn't see anything he actually said....what I saw this morning just showed the picture he posted and then the comments from his friends.  Or I missed his original post...

but yes, then I agree that was racist....