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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2015 17:06:12 GMT -5
When will these nightmares end. Gunman opens fire at Oregon college in mass killing Oct 1 (Reuters) - A gunman opened fire on Thursday at a community college in Oregon, killing 13 people and wounding some 20 others before he was shot to death by police, in the latest mass killing to rock a U.S. school, state and county officials said. link
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Post by gacpa on Oct 1, 2015 17:59:49 GMT -5
What is it going to take to make this mass shootings stop?
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 18:17:57 GMT -5
hope he wasn't upset about that cake issue......
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Post by djAdvocate on Oct 1, 2015 18:21:19 GMT -5
When will these nightmares end. Gunman opens fire at Oregon college in mass killing Oct 1 (Reuters) - A gunman opened fire on Thursday at a community college in Oregon, killing 13 people and wounding some 20 others before he was shot to death by police, in the latest mass killing to rock a U.S. school, state and county officials said. linkinteresting little aside, here. appears to be religiously motivated- according to several news outlets: The shooter told people to get on the ground and started asking them to stand up and state their religion
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Post by Sharon on Oct 1, 2015 18:23:03 GMT -5
This happened a couple hours south of were I live. There are reports that the gunman was asking the about the students religion. It will be interesting to see what comes out about this over the next few hours/days. linkThis CC is in a rural area that is very economically depressed, especially with the loss of many timber related jobs. ETA: I see DJ got the link posted just before I did.
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Post by Tennesseer on Oct 1, 2015 18:27:53 GMT -5
hope he wasn't upset about that cake issue...... Separate issue and thread. (The bakery couple is refusing to pay the $135,000 fine claiming financial hardship even though crowdfunding got them around $500,000 in donations.)
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Post by grumpyhermit on Oct 1, 2015 19:11:52 GMT -5
They won't. We are never going to have meaningful gun reform in the country, and as long as we are committed to providing unfettered access to guns, even to those with mental health issues, this will continue to happen. Apparently the shooter was bragging about his plan on 4chan previously, and he was being cheered on by some of the other posters. When you look at these numbers, and the response from some is "we need more guns" we have already lost.
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Post by swamp on Oct 1, 2015 19:16:42 GMT -5
<----- waiting for a few certain posters to tell us that if everyone was armed and you could conceal carry on a collage campus, someone would have taken down the gunman first.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Oct 1, 2015 19:17:17 GMT -5
What is it going to take to make this mass shootings stop? Regulate the crazies.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 1, 2015 19:54:34 GMT -5
<----- waiting for a few certain posters to tell us that if everyone was armed and you could conceal carry on a collage campus, someone would have taken down the gunman first. All it takes to stop a bad guy with a gun is a good guy with a gun, dontcha know? Kind of like this....
The NRA’s narrative that a “good guy with a gun” is “the only thing” that can stop a “bad guy with a gun” often leads to some measure of embarrassment whenever the “good guy” accidentally hurts the wrong person. Once again, this was the case when a Texas man stepped in to heroically stop a carjacking and made things much, much worse for the victim.
According to police, a carjacking at a gas station in Valero Saturday night left one man injured, but it wasn’t the intended target when an ammosexual attempted to go “full-Rambo” and stop the crime-in-progress. Rather than call police, the unnamed GGWAG leaped into action and opened fire on two men who jumped another man at the gas station. He didn’t manage to quite hit his targets, but the unnamed shooter managed to land one blow — to the victim’s head. The carjackers managed to escape with the unnamed victim’s pickup truck.
www.addictinginfo.org/2015/09/27/good-guy-with-a-gun-shoots-carjacking-victim-in-head-runs-away-before-police-arrive-video/
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Post by mmhmm on Oct 1, 2015 20:16:53 GMT -5
Chris Harper Mercer, 26, has been identified as the shooter responsible for taking the lives of at least 10 people at a community college in southwest Oregon earlier Thursday, law enforcement sources confirmed to CBS News. Law enforcement officers shot and killed Mercer in an exchange of gunfire later Thursday afternoon. Law enforcement authorities responded to calls that there was an active shooter on campus at Umpqua Community College in Roseburg, Oregon, at roughly 10:38 a.m. PDT. Ten people were killed and 20 more were injured. The shooter reportedly open fire in one building on campus before moving to the school's science building. Victims were found in at least two buildings. Mercer allegedly asked people to stand up and state their religion, and then started firing, the News-Review, a local newspaper for Douglas County, Oregon, reported. Umpqua Community College officials tweeted Thursday evening that the college would be closed until Monday. Investigators are reportedly examining social media posts Mercer made Wednesday night, according to CNN. He appeared to have had a conversation with others online about his intentions, a source said. Link to Article
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Post by gacpa on Oct 1, 2015 21:43:09 GMT -5
I agree some form of regulation needs to occur. We regulate every freaking thing else in this country. Why can't we manage to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people? I don't buy into the "it is our constitutional right" to carry a gun. I don't have a problem with people owning guns. I have a problem with crazy people owning guns. It is not any different than me having a problem with people driving drunk.
Why is the gun lobby so powerful that it defies common sense? People have a basic human right to live without fear of being shot during their daily activities. I think the massive amount of money the gun establishment makes from arming people with guns and ammo is part of the problem. There has to be more to the gun lobby being so successful beyond "the right to bear arms". Their philosophy that everyone should carry a gun so the good guys can kill the bad guys has not worked out so well, has it? We have too many innocents who have died because some idiot with a gun thought it was their right to take another persons life.
I will shut up now. I am sickened and disgusted by how frequently these shootings are happening.
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Post by fishy999 on Oct 1, 2015 21:50:38 GMT -5
<----- waiting for a few certain posters to tell us that if everyone was armed and you could conceal carry on a collage campus, someone would have taken down the gunman first. I heard that on the radio a few hours ago coming home from work- apparently- and I am not kidding- gun free zones are the cause of mass shootings- that they would not happen but for gun control laws I wonder what happens when armed students and teachers hear gunshots and pull their weapons, the cops show up- sounds like the end of a Tarantino movie.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 1, 2015 23:43:58 GMT -5
<----- waiting for a few certain posters to tell us that if everyone was armed and you could conceal carry on a collage campus, someone would have taken down the gunman first. I heard that on the radio a few hours ago coming home from work- apparently- and I am not kidding- gun free zones are the cause of mass shootings- that they would not happen but for gun control laws I wonder what happens when armed students and teachers hear gunshots and pull their weapons, the cops show up- sounds like the end of a Tarantino movie. Yep. Grindhouse Films. I heard on the TV it's the fault of all the violence on TV and in video games. That's funny....other countries watch the same films and play the same games. The difference is gun regulation. That's the only difference.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 1, 2015 23:51:14 GMT -5
And Chicago is heavily regulated. 6000 shootings since 2012. States with the most gun laws have the most crime. Countries like Honduras abd Mexico and Brazil have their share of violence. Violence is up in the UK. Seens the common denominator is Gun Free Zones which curiously criminals seem to bring guns too. Expecting lae breakers to follow laws is nonsensical.
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 2, 2015 0:05:14 GMT -5
... Seens the common denominator is Gun Free Zones which curiously criminals seem to bring guns too. ... Criminals take guns wherever they go. Areas with large numbers of people concentrated in a small space are where Gun Free Zones are established. It is in areas with a concentration of people where people go to kill a larger group of people. That the forest around my home town has not been the setting for a mass murder is not because the people who go there are allowed to be armed. It is because there is not a mass to be murdered.
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2015 0:12:31 GMT -5
And Chicago is heavily regulated. 6000 shootings since 2012. States with the most gun laws have the most crime. Countries like Honduras abd Mexico and Brazil have their share of violence. Violence is up in the UK. Seens the common denominator is Gun Free Zones which curiously criminals seem to bring guns too. Expecting lae breakers to follow laws is nonsensical. Oh, for Christ's sake! You can't regulate a CITY. Are you willing to put borders around it, with guards searching everyone and their cars, who goes in and out? There's absolutely no point in regulating a city. How are you going to stop guns going in and out? It's patently absurd. Montreal has a larger population than Chicago. You know how many total homicides we have a year? Fewer than thirty. That's because we don't give every whackjob who is between a rock and a crazy place access to a handgun. It's that way from coast to coast.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 0:26:43 GMT -5
So what? The notion that more laws is going to stop any of this is a serious delusion. There are millions of guns in this country. That is reality. Wishing that more laws will change that is a pipe dream.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 0:30:55 GMT -5
You might as well change the name of Gun Free Zones to " armed pyschopaths welcomed".
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Post by weltschmerz on Oct 2, 2015 0:56:49 GMT -5
And Chicago is heavily regulated. 6000 shootings since 2012. States with the most gun laws have the most crime. Countries like Honduras abd Mexico and Brazil have their share of violence. Violence is up in the UK. Seens the common denominator is Gun Free Zones which curiously criminals seem to bring guns too. Expecting lae breakers to follow laws is nonsensical. Well, do the math. Chicago...6,000 shootings since 2012. Montreal....less than 90 homicides since 2012, and we have more people. Clearly, we're doing something right. If I want to protect my home, I can get a long gun. If I want to hunt, I can get a long gun. There are more guns than there are people in the USA. The answer isn't more guns. How can it be?
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 5:01:39 GMT -5
What journey is that? Confiscating guns from law abiding citizens who have the right to protect their own lives and homes? What EXACTLY does Obama and the rest of you who always "want more laws" SPECIFICALLY wish to propose? Obama is always blathering on and "scolding' everyone like some angry teacher yet in all of his time in office can't seem to come up with any specific solutions except to say "we need more laws". Ok, what laws do we need? Why haven't you solved your own gun crime problems in Chicago?
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 5:04:56 GMT -5
As for Canada doing "something right", that may be. But, that doesn't necessarily translate to America. We have a very fierce culture of Independence and self sufficiency. And, our founders WANTED Americans to be able to protect themselves from tyrannical governments who would try to take their weapons. Sorry you don't like that, but that is the way it is. And, there are plenty of nations where citizens can't have guns who are being killed with guns. So, no you can't just "oh look at Canada", blah, blah. The problem is liberal cultural rot and atheism and annihilation that has taken hold so that shooters see no purpose to live and don't even fear God.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 5:05:33 GMT -5
Gun free zones are now Free For All Killing Zones. It is what it is.
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Post by Shooby on Oct 2, 2015 5:07:02 GMT -5
And, what stopped the shooter? A rapid response of Armed officers. Since Columbine, they have changed the way they approach this. They don't wait because there will be more casualties. The first officer on the scene will storm the building in an attempt to take out the shooter. That is exactly what they did.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 8:12:32 GMT -5
What journey is that? Confiscating guns from law abiding citizens who have the right to protect their own lives and homes? What EXACTLY does Obama and the rest of you who always "want more laws" SPECIFICALLY wish to propose? Obama is always blathering on and "scolding' everyone like some angry teacher yet in all of his time in office can't seem to come up with any specific solutions except to say "we need more laws". Ok, what laws do we need? Why haven't you solved your own gun crime problems in Chicago? I wish to propose that the person who sells a gun, or allows a gun to go to someone who is exhibiting mental health issues be prosecuted with severe fines and jail time. We have laws against bartenders serving drunk people additional drinks, should that drunk person then go out and mow down a bus of nuns. We need a law that says if you live in a house with someone who is mentally unbalanced and you fail to lock up your weapons in a way that the person can't access them, or if you allow an obviously unbalanced person to come into your gun shop and you load him up with weapons and ammo, then you need to pay a very high penalty. I know people will claim you can't always tell if someone is deranged. You can't always tell if someone is really drunk, too. But common sense would tell you if someone has already had ten whiskies in 2 hours they are good and drunk, and if someone comes into your shop asking for large quantities of armor piercing bullets because they have a really important, really big job coming up this weekend they are probably not talking about hunting a lot of deer. So - are we good with this or is this somehow infringing on personal liberty, our dear constitution, and the founding father's deepest desires that all Americans own their own bazookas and automatic weapons?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 2, 2015 8:15:06 GMT -5
You might as well change the name of Gun Free Zones to " armed pyschopaths welcomed". No you shouldn't.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 8:15:19 GMT -5
Gun free zones are now Free For All Killing Zones. It is what it is. If what you said is correct, most of Europe would be a blood bath, with armed criminals roaming the streets, shooting at will, like some Mad Max movie. Is that what Europe is like? I lived there 11 years and saw one weapon, once, being held by a cop following a bank robbery. How is that possible, since most of Europe is a Gun Free Zone, going by your logic? Unless your logic is flawed?
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Post by billisonboard on Oct 2, 2015 8:15:50 GMT -5
Gun free zones are now Free For All Killing Zones. It is what it is. That isn't what it is.
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Post by happyhoix on Oct 2, 2015 8:19:25 GMT -5
I heard on the radio that he appeared to be targeting Christians. So I think the far right will be proposing a new "Arm the Christians" movement, where we hand pistols out in Sunday School classes and gather together for target shooting behind the Church following Communion. After all, the elementary school shootings resulted in an "Arm all the Teachers" approach.
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Post by OldCoyote on Oct 2, 2015 8:20:17 GMT -5
And Chicago is heavily regulated. 6000 shootings since 2012. States with the most gun laws have the most crime. Countries like Honduras abd Mexico and Brazil have their share of violence. Violence is up in the UK. Seens the common denominator is Gun Free Zones which curiously criminals seem to bring guns too. Expecting lae breakers to follow laws is nonsensical. Oh, for Christ's sake! You can't regulate a CITY. Are you willing to put borders around it, with guards searching everyone and their cars, who goes in and out? There's absolutely no point in regulating a city. How are you going to stop guns going in and out? It's patently absurd. Montreal has a larger population than Chicago. You know how many total homicides we have a year? Fewer than thirty. That's because we don't give every whackjob who is between a rock and a crazy place access to a handgun. It's that way from coast to coast.
Just how many Illegal guns are in Canada, Welts? If the truth was known, it would scare you to death!
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