Another elitist effort to remake the military

[henryclay]

According to the MLDC’s report, released Monday, 77 percent of active duty senior officers are white, 8 percent are black, 5 percent are Hispanic and 16 percent are women. The report suggested the lack of minorities in military leadership is something that needs to change. To that end, the commission’s report includes 20 recommendations on how to increase the proportion of minority officers in the military in order to create a fighting force that better represents the make up of the population it defends

Among the 20 recommendations is a new meaning of the word "diversity". So says the executive summary. One problem with the new meaning of diversity in today's military is the exclusion of women assigned to comabt roles. Others center on a perceived exclusion of minorities in leadership positions because 77% of those positions are held by whites.

Although there may be a demographic breakdown of the military by race, I didn't see it. And if there are no minorities qualified, , , or wanting , , , to assume the responsibilities of leadership, what is the answer, , , a draft into a position of leadership and an imposition of respnsibility to someone who is either not qualified or worse, does not want the job. . . . or both?

Allen West may mean somethng to some people here. He has a few words to say about the findings and recommendatins of the MLDC at: dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/rep-allen-west-slams-military-diversity-report/

[deziloooooo]

Mar 13, 2011 13:34:51 GMT -5 henryclay said:

According to the MLDC’s report, released Monday, 77 percent of active duty senior officers are white, 8 percent are black, 5 percent are Hispanic and 16 percent are women. The report suggested the lack of minorities in military leadership is something that needs to change. To that end, the commission’s report includes 20 recommendations on how to increase the proportion of minority officers in the military in order to create a fighting force that better represents the make up of the population it defends

Among the 20 recommendations is a new meaning of the word "diversity". So says the executive summary. One problem with the new meaning of diversity in today's military is the exclusion of women assigned to comabt roles. Others center on a perceived exclusion of minorities in leadership positions because 77% of those positions are held by whites.

Although there may be a demographic breakdown of the military by race, I didn't see it. And if there are no minorities qualified, , , or wanting , , , to assume the responsibilities of leadership, what is the answer, , , a draft into a position of leadership and an imposition of respnsibility to someone who is either not qualified or worse, does not want the job. . . . or both?

Allen West may mean somethng to some people here. He has a few words to say about the findings and recommendatins of the MLDC at: dailycaller.com/2011/03/11/rep-allen-west-slams-military-diversity-report/

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“The military stands for things that liberals don’t care for: standards, discipline, honor, character. "

That is the Representatives feelings of those who are of the left politically. he may feel that way but he is wrong, those are standards that are not exclusive to those from the right, they are standards that so many people of all sides Cherish. It's why I do not support the Representative, believe he is a demigod, dangerous, not a assert to his office , has a agenda, not to represent his constituents as best he can, a agenda to move up as quickly as he can in elected office.
I know his story, I know his decorations. There are many of us with decorations, that doesn't mean that makes them the best qualified we have to look out for our interests.

[privateinvestor]

West suspects that the military as an institution is targeted by liberals because of the things it represents.

“The military stands for things that liberals don’t care for: standards, discipline, honor, character. And those are things they don’t like because they believe everyone should be equal…that is not what the military is all about.”


West brings up a good point because the liberals and progressives in some of our cities in Northern California do NOT want the Military Recruiters, ROTC or any Military Parades... also members of the military are advised to NOT wear their uniforms to keep from being heckled or harassed... And not sure if the military will be marching on Saint Patrick's Day in San Francisco or not...but maybe now that DADT has been repealed they may be allowed to march...

I commend Congressman West for telling it like it is..

[Shirina]

“The military stands for things that liberals don’t care for: standards, discipline, honor, character. And those are things they don’t like because they believe everyone should be equal…that is not what the military is all about.”

What a crass and ignorant thing to say. It never ceases to amaze me how certain people on the right believe they possess a monopoly on good qualities and can so freely spread hyperbolic misinformation around to anyone dumb enough to believe in it. Perhaps if this person himself had discipline, honor, and character, he wouldn't have said those words to begin with. I have no doubt that there are hundreds of thousands of liberals serving in some capacity within our armed forces, and this unthinking lout managed to denigrate their service in one fell swoop.

West brings up a good point because the liberals and progressives in some of our cities in Northern California do NOT want the Military Recruiters, ROTC or any Military Parades

I suppose it's a good thing for you that people such as myself do not hold up the most extreme among conservatives and mindlessly try to paint the entire ideology with that same brush. Otherwise, we might decide that every last conservative is a card-carrying member of the KKK, would shoot liberals on sight, are still harboring throwback racist prejudices from the 1840's, drive pick-ups with gun racks, believe music reached its peak with Waylon Jennings, have 5 teeth between the entire lot of them, and think the earth is only 6,000 years old.

Of course, that's a stereotype. Most of us liberals know better, even if we do occasionally poke fun using those stereotypes once in a great while. It's quite another for a duly elected congressman to say something so ridiculous and still feel comfortable about representing the American people. To say such words and not harbor guilt for saying them requires a degree of sociopathy that simply has no place within the local, state, or federal corridors of power.

At least that first magnitude idiot from New Hampshire, Martin Harty, had the good sense to resign after claiming the disabled should all be sent to Siberia so they can freeze to death.

Now it's West's turn.

[ed1066]

Otherwise, we might decide that every last conservative is a card-carrying member of the KKK

I highly doubt that since far more Democrats have been revealed to have a past in the KKK...the Southern Democrats were the KKK;s political stronghold for decades...

[hello fromWarsaw]

That was before Nixon's southern strategy. Don't know history, (racist?), silly dittohead. Plenty of good liberals in the military, and better suited to these changing times, cold war dinosaurs...

[Shirina]

the Southern Democrats were the KKK;s political stronghold for decades...

Those are Dixiecrats, not Democrats. Funny how Johnson, a Democrat, had to fight the southerners tooth and nail for civil rights. That's because those so-called southern "Democrats" were not really Democrats ... in the same way grapenuts aren't really made from grapes and lightning bugs don't have electrical generators making their arses glow at night.

[hello fromWarsaw]

Truman integrated the military, a Democrat of course.

[handyman2]

I agree with Congressman Wests conclusions that people should butt out of military affairs.
Keep in mind that we now have an all volunteer army. This raises the question is what is the preportion of the different races who join that apply to OCS or higher military training schools. This has a major impact on the outcomes. You do not just take a person and make them a Lt. unless they are willing to apply themselves to a long term contract in the military. You cannot make flat assuptions about numbers without knowing all the facts involved.

[hello fromWarsaw]

? Seems to be racism in military promotion too. This guy West is a bought off Uncle Tom it seems....

[hello fromWarsaw]

Well I read some articles about how minorities were not being promoted as hoped, and that was their conclusion.

[hello fromWarsaw]

And the military didn't integrate itself. This West character is wrong if he doesn't know about social engineering in the military, care of Democrats of course. I am definitely a military buff, but I had to skip the Viet Nam period, and then was too old for what I wanted to do. I am very interested in your views as you're there now right? And thank you for your service- I can handle the chickenhawk dittoheads.

[hello fromWarsaw]

And good night...

[privateinvestor]

This message has been deleted.duplicate again which is weird

[privateinvestor]

Re: Another elitist effort to remake the military

Let me add my 2 Cents here and say the point most of you missed is that the enlisted ranks in the Military are @90% APolitical and could care less about this subject. I can't speak to the Officer Corps but would guess most are conservative especially the General Officers..

Hate to admit this but I hardly ever voted when I was active duty and in the reserves...and was not the only one..and the few politicians who were dems that I met were losers. B-1 Bob Dornan, & Pat Schroeder...

[privateinvestor]

Haha, well I've only voted twice man...every election season we are either moving or I'm deployed...in either case I've always been too busy to even worry about it. Political discussions at work are strictly forbidden, all it does is cause hard feelings at the end of the day so politics and religion are two topics that are off limits.[/quote][/b][/i]

My home state was Massachusetts and often never got an absentee ballot or when I did it was after the elections were over...I think I read that the Pentagon was hoping to reach @90% for a goal for voting but were'nt even close only @70% and I would guess during my time it was @ 33 1/3% if that??

[privateinvestor]

We were told it was a waste of time because our absentee ballots often were always received after the elections were over so I never filed them out and just shit canned them....but that was a long time ago and I think now they are trying to improve voting in the military...apparently the GAO or some other watchdog gave the Pentagon low grades for voting in the 90s which could have changed some elections..

[henryclay]

".........This guy West is a bought off Uncle Tom........."

I wonder if there is anything available to the rest of us to verify that comment? A link, maybe. ONE SINGLE LINK?

Seems the liberals want everything they don't like banned anyway, so why not also ban the commentary of a conservative black retired Lieutenant Colonel as an Uncle Tom, too? They want to ban guns, smoking, practicing Christianity, the ROTC, and the choice of doctors, just to name a few, all of which Allen West has referred to as individual choices, and all of which are permitted under the Constitution. But they are peoposing replacing them with abortion on demand, ay marriage, porn ography for children,and mndatory condom distribution to pre-pubiscent children in public schools.

Seems to me Allen West's having gorwn up in the Georgia ghettos has learned and forgotten more about the results of liberal programs than most people will ever know. And he is dead set against what the liberals want to do to the military, which is our first line of defense.

On absentee voting for the military. . . . Liberals have made it into an absolute farce.

www.foxnews.com/politics/2010/08/26/military-absentee-voting-pilot-program-downed-expensive-payout/

[hello fromWarsaw]

West has a lot of nutty ideas and will be gone in 2012...and Dornan was a Pub. Dems aren't that chickenhawk "macho". Nice BS spin on Dem ideas....

[privateinvestor]

Mar 27, 2011 14:35:18 GMT -5 hello fromWarsaw said:

West has a lot of nutty ideas and will be gone in 2012...and Dornan was a Pub. Dems aren't that chickenhawk "macho". Nice BS spin on Dem ideas....

Yea you are right Bob Dornan was a Republican But I met him before he ran for congress and didn't know him or his party...apparently he was in a few movies and went ballistic when I said I never heard of him...I think he was campaigning for mayor of Los Angeles at the time in the early 70's..

And when I said "I not only didn't know him but could care less" he said "he would report me to the Commanding General at the base I was assigned to at that time.". Don't know if he did because he was so drunk and out of control..

[hello fromWarsaw]

;D What an A-hole...Fits in with my theory. Arrogant tools...Schroeder ?
My theory? Don't mistake Dem good manners for weakness...

[privateinvestor]

Mar 27, 2011 15:41:05 GMT -5 @Hugh said:

;D What an A-hole...Fits in with my theory. Arrogant tools...Schroeder ?
My theory? Don't mistake Dem good manners for weakness...

Schroeder hosted a reception for the military in Washington DC to get acquainted with her and her pol tics and she made a speech, and then went around shaking hands...she asked me "can I have your vote?" and I said "what are you running for?' and she said "are you dumb or what I am running for President of the USA" and I said" I don't think so then"....true story but she called me a few names worse than dumb but I forget all that she sputtered out at me. I just wasn't into politics and was just an NCO comm staffer for one of the Colonels at Quantico VA at the time

[hello fromWarsaw]

:)LOL

[Shirina]

Nevermind the fact that it contradicts itself, I think we know what you meant to type.

I meant to type exactly what I typed. The southern "Democrats" at the time were known as Dixiecrats since they did not share the same political beliefs as the northern Democrats. There was enough of a difference between the two that a "slang" term was used for them in order to distinguish them.

However, conservatives don't want to acknowledge that distinction and would rather claim that all the Democrats operated just like the Dixiecrats. You know ... they're all the same. Kind of like how Hitler and Stalin were both leftists. LOL!

At any rate, it matters not, for the crux of my post had nothing to do with Dixiecrats or the KKK, but rather the nonsensical nature of West's comment about liberals. Even conservatives should know that was way out of line, especially for a public servant, but conservatives are no better at policing their own than the liberals are.

[henryclay]

And not only did the northern Democrats lose the southern Democrats to the Dixiiecrats moniker because of the northern Democrats' "our way or the highway" stance, those Dixiecrats went where their views meant something and all of them became Republicans.

As for West's comments being out of line, I'll take his comments any day if it means I don't have to put up with being told that just because I'm not a Democrat I can't sit anywhere I please on the bus.

[❤ mollymouser ❤]

I wonder what rank(s) are considered "senior officers?"

[privateinvestor]

Mar 30, 2011 20:28:50 GMT -5 ❤ mollymouser ❤ said:

I wonder what rank(s) are considered "senior officers?"

Senior officers are usually considered full Colonel and above..or in the Navy Captain and above..

[hello fromWarsaw]

"I'll take his comments any day if it means I don't have to put up with being told that just because I'm not a Democrat I can't sit anywhere I please on the bus."

You're fine- Dems are trying to get everyone ON the bus. Otherwise you're fighting history and justice, like those Dixiecrats, and Republicans... ;D

[henryclay]

"........Dems are trying to get everyone ON the bus........."

Good Lord, I couldn't have known that from what I've seen. Thanks for the heads up, and I think I'll pass. THAT bus is headed for a wreck, and I'd just as soon not be on it.

[hello fromWarsaw]

It may be a little messy. It'll work out. Your clique may lose its unfair dominance. Excellent If we're talking about the same thing. The law above all....