VW Punishment?

[marvholly]

Instead of all that money going to the gov in fines IMHO: VW should be forced to buy back all non-compliant cars for the FULL price originally paid regardless of age/miles driven PLUS VW pays the entire bill for ALL lawyers involved (tell cousin Vinnie).

[Deleted]

Anyone wants to sell me a Jetta TDI for cheap give me a call.  I would love one. 

[Value Buy]

General Motors has to be so happy they have been kicked off the frontpage by this.

[Blonde Granny]

It's been interesting to see some of these editorial "experts" and their way of dragging everyone else into the story as well.  Painting with a broad brush, their fingers are now pointing and BMW & Mercedes.  No proof of anything, but the idea of "if VW did it, so has everyone else".  There were even some references of how this is exactly what BP did with their oil rig in the gulf.

One of these so-called experts even said that this VW problem is going to drag Europe into the whirlpool of destruction.

I'll keep my Mercedes diesel, thank you very much!  Great gas mileage, comfortable ride, and lots of toys on board, I'm all set.

[tskeeter]

I think that the telling tale behind this type of case is that the business is subjected to large fines, but individuals are rarely prosecuted.  This is wrong from several of perspectives.  First, the personal consequences for the miscreants involved are fairly limited.  Second, the people actually harmed rarely receive any compensation.  All of the fines go to the government.  Third, it smacks of the government lititgating for loot.  Endless suits to fill the government coffers to fund more endless suits.

The government holding the likes of VW accountable is a good thing.  But the fines collected should go to those who suffered damages as the result of the misbehavior. 

[wvugurl26]

They tested a BMW with the 2 VWs in both the original European and the American study. The BMW passed the US study.

[bean29]

I do think VW should be held accountable. The other companies who were not cheating, were not competing on a level playing field. People who bought the cars also believed they were not damaging the environment to the extent that they were. If they had know the true stats on that car 1) It would not have been sold in the US and 2) They may have decided to buy a different car.

My DH thinks they will only get a slap on the wrist. I think it will be a fine of some consequence.

Does anyone think this will put them out of business?

How much business is going on at VW dealerships this week?

I went on Consumer Reports pricing think and tried to get a price for a JETTA Diesel model, and it told me the car was not available right now. GO figure.

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Sept 25, 2015 14:48:39 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Sept 25, 2015 7:38:03 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Anyone wants to sell me a Jetta TDI for cheap give me a call.  I would love one. 

If your state has emissions testing as part of the registration process it won't pass, which makes it unable to be registered and driven. Insurance companies will probably jack up your rates too until they get some guidance on what's going to happen to the cars. They put out emissions of 15-20 times the limit that's legally allowed to be sold in the US. I wouldn't pay more than the scrap value for one right now, because they might all be headed out of the country or to scrapyards.

MN has no emissions tests.  Please send any Jetta TDI you'd like to unload my way. 

[Deleted]

I'm really just all about that engine that will go for 300K and the 50mpg.  I'm not that concerned about the emissions.  I'm from an area where people all have 2-stroke snowmobiles and diesel trucks and tractors that shake and kick out huge clouds of black smoke when they fire up.  I drove a diesel truck myself for 10 years and what comes out of those cars is nothing.  They are quiet and don't stink at all.  Yeah, fix the ones going forward to meet the current standards, but no need to get crazy and crush the ones out there.   Sell them.  Cheap. 

[obelisk]

vw will be made an example in the US for misleading/lying to the authorities for more than a year especially in California.
It is not a US company and an example will be made.
Lawsuits from owners, independent dealers and governments/regulatory agencies is just the tip of the iceberg.
Not even from other manufacturers lawsuit based on lost business.
The US/CA even gave back credit on this clean technology.
I believe that vw made the most stupid mistake in car manufacturing history when they approved of the "cheating software".
This will cost vw in excess of 30Billions in the years to come especially when their cars have to conform and compete on an even field.
I will not consider a vw as a potential vehicle for my next purchase in the coming future.

[obelisk]

Not knowing the recall fix is a gamble.
Good luck with the recall since it will not be an easy fix.

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Sept 25, 2015 16:59:56 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

MN has no emissions tests. Please send any Jetta TDI you'd like to unload my way.

Your state doesn't have emission testing but these things are way past the national standards, so they're technically not allowed to be sold in the US period. The question that needs to be answered is does that only apply to car manufacturers, which I'm guessing it does. Then we have to see if the government forces a recall. I wouldn't buy or sell one until that question gets answered.

You could buy several and hope the government forces a recall with current value payment to the owners, but that seems risky. Plus you'd have to find owners dumping them for next to nothing. I imagine most owners are taking a wait and see approach right now.

I don't want to make money off of it.  I just want one.  Have for a long time.  

I think they should fine the shit out of VW and maybe even take legal action against individuals in the company, but scrapping the cars would be asinine.  The environmental impact of manufacturing replacements would far exceed the emissions.  They need to talk to the engineers at Ford that made the Superduty diesel nearly silent and stinkfree in the past few years.  That was quite an accomplishment.   I'll bet they could come up with a retrofit so they pass. 

[The Walk of the Penguin Mich]

Sept 25, 2015 17:42:15 GMT -5 minnesotapaintlady said:

Sept 25, 2015 16:59:56 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Your state doesn't have emission testing but these things are way past the national standards, so they're technically not allowed to be sold in the US period. The question that needs to be answered is does that only apply to car manufacturers, which I'm guessing it does. Then we have to see if the government forces a recall. I wouldn't buy or sell one until that question gets answered.

You could buy several and hope the government forces a recall with current value payment to the owners, but that seems risky. Plus you'd have to find owners dumping them for next to nothing. I imagine most owners are taking a wait and see approach right now.

I don't want to make money off of it.  I just want one.  Have for a long time.  

I think they should fine the shit out of VW and maybe even take legal action against individuals in the company, but scrapping the cars would be asinine.  The environmental impact of manufacturing replacements would far exceed the emissions.  They need to talk to the engineers at Ford that made the Superduty diesel nearly silent and stinkfree in the past few years.  That was quite an accomplishment.   I'll bet they could come up with a retrofit so they pass. 

They know how to do it, but it will be at the expense of power.  That is why it is in the VWs with the smaller engines.  For those cars to drive cleanly (and not 20x the NOX into the air) it will have an impact on gas mileage, power and longevity, the reasons why people want these cars.

[marvholly]

Sept 25, 2015 12:46:58 GMT -5 tskeeter said:

I think that the telling tale behind this type of case is that the business is subjected to large fines, but individuals are rarely prosecuted.  This is wrong from several of perspectives.  First, the personal consequences for the miscreants involved are fairly limited.  Second, the people actually harmed rarely receive any compensation.  All of the fines go to the government.  Third, it smacks of the government lititgating for loot.  Endless suits to fill the government coffers to fund more endless suits.

The government holding the likes of VW accountable is a good thing.  But the fines collected should go to those who suffered damages as the result of the misbehavior. 

that is EXACTLY why I said VW shpuld have to buy back all the involved cars for the FULL original purchase price.

I gave up all hope of any corp execs being held accoutable & getting sent to the hoosgow for a LONG time many years ago.