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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 8:24:55 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 12:15:44 GMT -5
This cut/paste from Paul's link in the OP pretty much says it all... In 2014, the Detroit police department issued more than 1,100 handgun permits, while more than 8,100 guns were registered in the city. The number of shootings and robberies dropped from 2013. Home invasions are down 17 percent so far this year, Craig said, following a drop of 38 percent last year.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 23, 2015 13:04:16 GMT -5
Crime is down even in Chicago since they reluctantly began complying with the law of the land, the individual right to bear arms according to SCOTUS ruling in Heller. Now that SCOTUS has found all marriages from any state must be recognized in all other states, there's little room for states to argue that a carry permit from another state is invalid.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 13:11:02 GMT -5
Crime is down even in Chicago since they reluctantly began complying with the law of the land, the individual right to bear arms according to SCOTUS ruling in Heller. Now that SCOTUS has found all marriages from any state must be recognized in all other states, there's little room for states to argue that a carry permit from another state is invalid. No argument there. It works for drivers licenses too, and driving is considered a privilege, not a constitutional right.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 23, 2015 18:58:47 GMT -5
From the linked article:
I agree... for the most part why should criminals be afraid of the police? NO offence to the police officers, but they are not there DURING the crime. An armed citizen, on the other hand, very well could be.
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 23, 2015 19:37:16 GMT -5
From the linked article: I agree... for the most part why should criminals be afraid of the police? NO offence to the police officers, but they are not there DURING the crime. An armed citizen, on the other hand, very well could be. Police Officers placed third. Tripping down stairs in the dark was second.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 25, 2015 17:36:24 GMT -5
Cool- so the USA is the safest country on the planet thanks to our gun laws right? Since it is not- not even close- perhaps someone could explain why that is.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 25, 2015 17:50:01 GMT -5
Cool- so the USA is the safest country on the planet thanks to our gun laws right? Since it is not- not even close- perhaps someone could explain why that is. Too many pacifists, unwilling to make sure that they have their own protection... probably. (that's just a guess though)
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2015 10:00:56 GMT -5
Here's the flip side of trying to stop a crime and carrying a gun. While an exception, firing wildly does have its consequences. Just be very careful. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE HoustonPolice are searching for the men who carjacked and attacked a man in northeast Houston. Houston police said around 11:15 p.m. Saturday, two men attacked another man who was parked in the Valero parking lot near Jensen Drive and Caplin Street. When the assailants attempted to take his truck, a witness parked at the gas pump started shooting at the men, according to authorities. Police said he accidentally shot the victim in the head. He was taken to the hospital listed in stable condition. Police found the victim's truck a few blocks away and the assailants are still on the loose. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE Houston
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Sept 28, 2015 14:50:10 GMT -5
Here's the flip side of trying to stop a crime and carrying a gun. While an exception, firing wildly does have its consequences. Just be very careful. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE HoustonPolice are searching for the men who carjacked and attacked a man in northeast Houston. Houston police said around 11:15 p.m. Saturday, two men attacked another man who was parked in the Valero parking lot near Jensen Drive and Caplin Street. When the assailants attempted to take his truck, a witness parked at the gas pump started shooting at the men, according to authorities. Police said he accidentally shot the victim in the head. He was taken to the hospital listed in stable condition. Police found the victim's truck a few blocks away and the assailants are still on the loose. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE HoustonWe do need better gun control, target practice should be mandatory
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 28, 2015 14:55:23 GMT -5
Here's the flip side of trying to stop a crime and carrying a gun. While an exception, firing wildly does have its consequences. Just be very careful. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE HoustonPolice are searching for the men who carjacked and attacked a man in northeast Houston. Houston police said around 11:15 p.m. Saturday, two men attacked another man who was parked in the Valero parking lot near Jensen Drive and Caplin Street. When the assailants attempted to take his truck, a witness parked at the gas pump started shooting at the men, according to authorities. Police said he accidentally shot the victim in the head. He was taken to the hospital listed in stable condition. Police found the victim's truck a few blocks away and the assailants are still on the loose. Man carjacked, witness opens fire at gas station in NE HoustonWe do need better gun control, target practice should be mandatory I did read somewhere, can't think of where at the moment, about "well regulated".
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 28, 2015 16:55:45 GMT -5
From the linked article: I agree... for the most part why should criminals be afraid of the police? NO offence to the police officers, but they are not there DURING the crime. An armed citizen, on the other hand, very well could be. Police Officers placed third. Tripping down stairs in the dark was second. I can believe that. I'm sure my cats want me dead. The stairs are a good place for them to do me in.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 28, 2015 21:59:53 GMT -5
Cool- so the USA is the safest country on the planet thanks to our gun laws right? Since it is not- not even close- perhaps someone could explain why that is. Too many pacifists, unwilling to make sure that they have their own protection... probably. (that's just a guess though) Yeah I am sure that's it- that and not enough guns We should really get on that
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2015 22:05:11 GMT -5
Too many pacifists, unwilling to make sure that they have their own protection... probably. (that's just a guess though) Yeah I am sure that's it- that and not enough guns We should really get on that We should. Know what happens when bad guys KNOW innocent people are likely armed? Crime rates fall.
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Post by fishy999 on Sept 28, 2015 22:18:20 GMT -5
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 28, 2015 23:23:35 GMT -5
Police Officers placed third. Tripping down stairs in the dark was second. I can believe that. I'm sure my cats want me dead. The stairs are a good place for them to do me in.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2015 8:24:54 GMT -5
. Omg, yes!!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 8:30:15 GMT -5
I was almost in a hold up once. I was just to the left of the door when a man with a gun and hoodie and mask came in the door. It was almost like he didn't see me. He went straight toward the counter and started ordering people around and I slipped out and to the store next door and called the police.
Here is the thing though. People who work in banks are trained to be nonconfrontational. To not escalate the situation to a point where violence will ensue. They give up what little money they have access to and it moves on. Common citizens are not. Its just as likely that introducing a violent element to a situation which would not have turned violent. Its ok if they get it all right I guess... but I would suspect that just as often it would end up in worse situation than if they had not acted.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2015 9:30:34 GMT -5
Update on the carjacking shooting in Houston: "Police officials say that two men jumped the owner of a Chevrolet pickup truck and absconded with his vehicle. As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.
The shooter quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement and fled the scene.The injured man was rushed to a nearby hospital where he is currently in stable condition. Police recovered the stolen truck about two miles from where the shooting took place. No suspects have been apprehended in the theft or the shooting." Texas ‘good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs awayWhy would the good Samaritan run away?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 10:33:59 GMT -5
Police Officers placed third. Tripping down stairs in the dark was second. I can believe that. I'm sure my cats want me dead. The stairs are a good place for them to do me in. Cat's are short sighted. At the moment of evil intent, they tend to forget who supplies the food dish.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 29, 2015 10:35:50 GMT -5
Update on the carjacking shooting in Houston: "Police officials say that two men jumped the owner of a Chevrolet pickup truck and absconded with his vehicle. As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.
The shooter quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement and fled the scene.The injured man was rushed to a nearby hospital where he is currently in stable condition. Police recovered the stolen truck about two miles from where the shooting took place. No suspects have been apprehended in the theft or the shooting." Texas ‘good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs awayWhy would the good Samaritan run away? The DA in his area ran on a anti-gun platform ?
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2015 10:42:06 GMT -5
Update on the carjacking shooting in Houston: "Police officials say that two men jumped the owner of a Chevrolet pickup truck and absconded with his vehicle. As the men struggled with the car-owner, a passerby produced a gun and fired multiple shots, missing the thieves but striking the victim in the head.
The shooter quickly gathered up his shell casings from the pavement and fled the scene.The injured man was rushed to a nearby hospital where he is currently in stable condition. Police recovered the stolen truck about two miles from where the shooting took place. No suspects have been apprehended in the theft or the shooting." Texas ‘good guy with a gun’ shoots carjacking victim in head — then runs awayWhy would the good Samaritan run away? The DA in his area ran on a anti-gun platform ? And the shooter illegally possessed a gun?
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 29, 2015 11:59:47 GMT -5
I can believe that. I'm sure my cats want me dead. The stairs are a good place for them to do me in. Cat's are short sighted. At the moment of evil intent, they tend to forget who supplies the food dish. Which would be me. Dumb shits. I'm also the cleaner of the poop boxes. But are they grateful and appreciative? No. Evil intentions flood their minds.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 29, 2015 17:28:21 GMT -5
The DA in his area ran on a anti-gun platform ? And the shooter illegally possessed a gun? Maybe he did not want the aggravation of dealing with the police afterwards. there is a lot of aggravation. Or would this be better, how about I promise to never use my gun to stop a crime, Just to make sure I did not interfere in any way, I would not call the police either. Yea that would make it all better, That way I wouldn't be sued by the person committing the crime.
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Post by NastyWoman on Sept 29, 2015 18:15:50 GMT -5
We do need better gun control, target practice should be mandatory I did read somewhere, can't think of where at the moment, about "well regulated". -rofl-I'm amazed no one tried to take you down for that one billisonboard
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2015 18:34:25 GMT -5
And the shooter illegally possessed a gun? Maybe he did not want the aggravation of dealing with the police afterwards. there is a lot of aggravation. Or would this be better, how about I promise to never use my gun to stop a crime, Just to make sure I did not interfere in any way, I would not call the police either. Yea that would make it all better, That way I wouldn't be sued by the person committing the crime. Do you believe a good Samaritan who unintentionally injures a third party should pick up the shell casings from his weapon and flee the scene of a crime? Why would he not want the aggravation of explaining as to what happened to the police? If he is innocent, there should be nothing to fear. There were witnesses who saw the event. Other wise, how would the police know he picked up the shell casings and fled the scene? That's a lot of detail. A crime was committed but not by the man who accidentally shot the victim in his attempt to defend the carjacking victim.
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Post by OldCoyote on Sept 29, 2015 19:26:26 GMT -5
Yes.
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2015 19:33:18 GMT -5
I assume you response above is to my question to you of "Do you believe a good Samaritan who unintentionally injures a third party should pick up the shell casings from his weapon and flee the scene of a crime?"
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 29, 2015 19:34:19 GMT -5
Is that what your fellow Oath Keepers believe too, OldCoyote?
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