princessleia
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Post by princessleia on Sept 22, 2015 6:49:43 GMT -5
I had precious metals stored with a company and say I plonked down $25K buying it from the company and then I had them stored with the company. The company declared bankruptcy (there were very little precious metals in their vault). Anyway, I am listed as a creditor in the bankruptcy with a claim of say, $15K. How do I treat my losses on my tax returns? Some issues are:- 1. The initial loss of $10K from what I plonked down and the claim. Capital loss? But then I did not sell it. Will it be casualty losses? To me. bankruptcy is a casualty event but I do not see it being defined in IRS publication. 2. I do not know what I will get after bankruptcy. I do not have much hope. So, say I get only $1K. What then? Appreciate all input from the tax accountants tax pros.
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Ombud
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Post by Ombud on Sept 22, 2015 12:21:43 GMT -5
Was it a Ponzi scheme?
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princessleia
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Post by princessleia on Sept 22, 2015 15:48:09 GMT -5
No, not a Ponzi scheme. But I suspect fraud was involved....the company just swallowed up our monies.
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rangerj
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Post by rangerj on Sept 23, 2015 22:12:29 GMT -5
The loss is deductible once the amount of the loss becomes "fixed and determinable", generally once the bankruptcy court declares what you will get as a creditor, e.g. $0.10 on the dollar.
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taxref
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Post by taxref on Oct 5, 2015 22:23:14 GMT -5
Adding a bit to Rangerj's answer, you would be looking at a capital loss of $24K ($25K investment less $1K distribution by the bankruptcy trustee).
Assuming its all a long-term loss, you can count the loss against any capital gains you have, and up to $3K each year against ordinary income. If there is any amount remaining, the remaining loss is carried forward to future years. The same treatment (counted against capital gains and up to $3K of other income) is repeated each year until the carry forward is used up.
If it is determined that fraud/theft, etc. is involved, you may qualify to claim the loss as a theft loss. Theft losses are treated the same as casualty losses for tax purposes. Because of restrictions (must itemize, must reduce by $100, can only claim amount in excess of 10% of AGI), casualty and theft losses are often not the most favorable deductions.
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mwcpa
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Post by mwcpa on Oct 18, 2015 18:35:03 GMT -5
I concur with Ranger and the ref.
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