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Post by ArchietheDragon on Sept 15, 2015 9:48:13 GMT -5
IMHO, everything is pointing to having him do sports. it will cure what ails him. And build character to boot.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 9:49:40 GMT -5
Tried that too. Hated it. He's big, but he's a baby about getting rough housed, and has zero flexibility. Btw, he's gotten MUCH bigger in the past year or so and doesn't seem to be aware of his own strength. He'll practically tackle me giving me a hug and even his 6'2" Dad complains about it.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 9:50:30 GMT -5
I wish Astronomy was a sport. He'd be all about it then.
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Post by shelby on Sept 15, 2015 9:51:11 GMT -5
That's a ton of milk! We limit our kids to two six ounce glasses of milk for dinner. After that, it's water. What happens if you stop bringing Cheerios into the house? You must go through a few boxes a week. What happens if you bring in one less box, or start buying smaller boxes. "ODS, this is what we have for breakfast. I will not buy anymore Cheerios for the week once you've gone through the box. Here are options other than only Cheerios." Would you consider going to a health food store to get makings for a protein shake? Would he do a smoothie and one bowl of Cheerios? He has milk in his cheerios and a glass on the side, then milk when he gets home from school, then milk with dinner, then maybe a glass of milk before bed.... He really likes milk. Besides Cheerios he eats frozen waffles a lot. He was making some kind of smoothie this summer with peanut butter, milk and I think bananas. I should get him to start making them again. Also, fried egg and cheese, but I don't think he's been making them lately. He gets up super early before me or his brother and is done eating before we even get to the kitchen. You could substitute the milk in smoothies with soy, that is what I do and it is very filling especially if you put in some flax. He sounds a lot like my son who is 13, he can pack on the weight pretty quick. He is doing cross country this year and last since team sports are so not his thing.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2015 9:52:24 GMT -5
This kid is really into science, right? Can you and/or his teachers get him into doing a project/paper on nutrition and the various diets out there? Including trying out several different ones for a min. of 14 days? Then evaluate which one is best for him? Which one he liked most? etc?
Cooking is just chemistry - but your experiments will fail if you don't use the right chemicals/ingredients. Veggies are a part of the chemical/ingredients he'd need to cook and to help his body function properly. Can you use that angle?
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2015 9:54:33 GMT -5
Isn't there lots of protein in milk though? OK. Because I'm a nerd and not wanting to go into work. According to my labels, one cup of 1% milk has 110 calories 13 grams of carbs, and 8 grams of protein, and 2.5 grams of fat My 4% cottage cheese has 110 calories, 12 grams of protein, 5 grams of fat and 5 grams of carbs. But switching out one serving of cottage cheese for one serving of milk, you are saving 7 grams of sugars right there. And it's got a little bit more protein. Put another way, assuming your DS drinks four cups of milk a day, he's getting 16% of his daily allotment of carbs right there. There's 7% carbs in every serving of Cheerios (I just looked it up). At three servings (not including milk), he's getting 21% of his daily carbs. So between the Cheerios and the milk, he's getting likely 40% of his carbs for the day. And he hasn't eaten lunch, dinner, or snacks yet. And this is off a 2,000 calorie diet. Which he may not really need. Instead of buying granola bars, will he eat a protein bar? The kids lap up normal cliff bars and peanut butter zone bars. They are usually 200 calories, but it keeps them full much longer than goldfish.I was wondering about those revolution wraps things that I see commercials for - the kid heading off to practice kicking or something at 0dark00 and has a couple tucked into his bag? I might have the name all screwed up though.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 15, 2015 9:55:52 GMT -5
What about golf? Weight lifting? There are a lot of sports he can do that are solo, you can talk to someone at the Y since you have a membership.
You could substitute the milk in smoothies with soy,
Yeah but if he drinks soy in the amount he's drinking milk he'll be trading one set of problems for another.
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Post by 973beachbum on Sept 15, 2015 9:56:30 GMT -5
This is the most non-athletic kid you will ever encounter. This is the had to stay after school for a month because he couldn't do a summer sault kid. It's not for lack of me trying. I've enrolled him in darn near every sport I could think of since he was 4 or 5 but nothing stuck. He hated every minute of it and everyone was miserable. Nope I know for a fact that he isn't as that kid is mine. The only difference physically I see here is my son's school didn't ever try to make him do a somersault.
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Post by steph08 on Sept 15, 2015 9:58:05 GMT -5
Breakfast needs to change. Cheerios are healthy for the most part, but they don't fill me up (80 pounds less than your son), so I doubt they are filling him up.
Eggs, turkey bacon, toast. I buy my DH breakfast burritos that he can heat in the microwave - not exactly the healthiest, but they do have egg and cheese and sausage so he's getting a better variety of protein and carbs.
Lunch needs to change. Hot pockets aren't filling anyone up. Sandwiches - peanut butter, almond butter, lunch meat. Salads. If he's taking a hot pocket, he has access to a microwave. I buy bags of chicken/steak fajita - heat up, add cheese, viola! Not the cheapest thing, but it is quick and healthy. I also just eat the fajita meat with rice and a veggie. Green Giant makes little microwavable veggie cups - broccoli/cauliflower with cheese, etc.
Dinner - protein (turkey/beef/chicken/fish), starch (potato/rice/noodle), and veggie.
I'm not the healthiest eater in the world (damn you YM, I bought a pack of Halloween oreos on Friday and they are already gone), but I can easily see why your son is hungry.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2015 9:58:06 GMT -5
Oh, quinoa is a complete protein. Find quinoa bars? There's a HUGE section at my Woodman's devoted to assorted types of bars for organic and the assorted x-free foods. DH is fond of the Bobo Bars but other than being gluten and dairy free, I'm not sure what's in them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 9:58:42 GMT -5
This kid is really into science, right? Can you and/or his teachers get him into doing a project/paper on nutrition and the various diets out there? Including trying out several different ones for a min. of 14 days? Then evaluate which one is best for him? Which one he liked most? etc? Cooking is just chemistry - but your experiments will fail if you don't use the right chemicals/ingredients. Veggies are a part of the chemical/ingredients he'd need to cook and to help his body function properly. Can you use that angle? He needs to finish his cooking merit badge for scouts and has to buy and prepare a bunch of meals for the house and they have to follow the guidelines for a healthy meal, so no mac and cheese. I'm hoping that cooking the meals encourages him to eat them. That's how he started with the chicken wraps and the smoothies. I enrolled him in a cooking camp the past couple summers and after making them he decided he liked them too.
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Post by shelby on Sept 15, 2015 9:58:57 GMT -5
Everything you are saying sounds like you are describing my son he has Asperger and is very uncoordinated so cross country is a good fit. Even though he came in second to last at the big meet he still did it and finished.
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Post by gs11rmb on Sept 15, 2015 10:00:05 GMT -5
Building on giramomma's post. The nutritionist at work told me to look at labels and decide what group a food falls into based on which is the highest:
Milk 13g carbs 8g protein 2.5g fat
Cottage Cheese 5g carbs 12g protein 5g fat
So, Milk counts as a "carb" and cottage cheese is a "protein". It's just a grossly simplified shortcut but I've found it to be extremely helpful. Often things that are labeled as 'high protein' are still carbs.
"high in protein and fiber" Cliff Bar 45g carbs 10g protein 2.5g fat
Also, watch out for the sugar in protein bars. The Cliff Bar listed above has 21g of sugar that's 5.25 teaspoons!.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 10:00:41 GMT -5
OK, so.....I keep reading your posts and it sounds like he has ALOT of say about what he doesn't want to do and won't do. And while I am not into forcing the kids into activities or forcing them to eat, etc - I would be having CTJ conversation with him and yes, I would be forcing some of the things on him. Bc I think more than weight issues I would be worried that he is getting into "I only do what I want and what is easy" habits - and those are much harder to fix. We found it much easier to take incremental steps when changing our kids diet. Plus, we got smart by the time the third came around. Buy the time DD2 was born, we were off juice in the morning, and we didn't do fruit snacks, or start with the go-go squeeze things. But, for is it was like, "OK. We're done buying fruit snacks. They are just not coming in the house anymore. Enjoy this pack, because that's it." Then it was "OK, for your school snack, it needs to be a fruit or veggie. Here are your choices. If you would like different choices, tell Dad before he goes grocery shopping on Thursday." We also ask our kids to help us meal plan. They also know if the offer no input, they don't get to complain about meal choices. My 11 yo does not like drastic change. He's also a homebody. He got homesick while we were on vacation this summer, as a family. I find that patience and allowing him to find his way has served us well with him. He doesn't respond well to us yammering on him. We tried the forcing thing with him. We insisted that DS be physically active. Since he didn't pick anything, his default was gymnastics. He wasn't upfront with how much he hated it. He'd try to make himself throw up before going to class to get out of it. He was 7. To me, when a kid gets to getting worked up enough to throw up over being "forced" to do something, it's time to find a different approach.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2015 10:00:32 GMT -5
What about golf? Weight lifting? There are a lot of sports he can do that are solo, you can talk to someone at the Y since you have a membership. You could substitute the milk in smoothies with soy,
Yeah but if he drinks soy in the amount he's drinking milk he'll be trading one set of problems for another. Naw, there's coconut milk, rice milk, almond milk, cashew milk, etc. Pick one. Or several. I suckered, um, pointed out the mixed quinoa-something milk and DH switched to it. I had issues in putting the others into my mashed potatoes and DH has issues with the flavors. We're both ok with this one.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:01:01 GMT -5
I've always had a huge appetite, apparently out of proportion to my size. Cereal, I just stopped eating it. 30 minutes after I eat it, I'm hungry again. I recently learned that if I try to snack on something like an apple, I almost immediately feel like I'm starving, even if I wasn't all that hungry before I ate it. I'm not all that big on eating fruits and vegetables, so I make smoothies. They don't replace meals for me because they don't satisfy hunger, it's just my way of getting the nutritional value of fruits and vegetables that I wouldn't eat otherwise. And lastly, if I eat a meal that doesn't include meat, it feels like I haven't eaten. I've always thought it must be all in my head, but there may be something about the protein in meat that makes me feel more satiated. I usually don't bother with snacking because I'll just keep snacking and snacking until I actually eat a real meal. It's more efficient calorie wise to just eat a meal than snack endlessly and still end up eating a meal.
I don't know the science behind how certain foods affect my appetite, those are just some of the things I've noticed on my own.
My son drank so much milk as a teenager, I wondered if I should just get a dairy cow or 2. He also ate a LOT of food, but he was high energy and active, so I guess he burned most of it off because he's always been slim. I think it's pretty normal for teenage boys to eat a lot especially when they're having growth spurts (that's when my son started eating like a fiend), but I don't think it's normal for them to always be hungry though. A nutritionist might help you understand what your son needs to eat so he won't be hungry all the time, but the question is whether he'll actually follow the advice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:02:22 GMT -5
Instead of buying granola bars, will he eat a protein bar? The kids lap up normal cliff bars and peanut butter zone bars. They are usually 200 calories, but it keeps them full much longer than goldfish. Yep. He's not picky there. Cliff bar, Zone bars, whatever, but I haven't been buying them lately because they cost so much more, but I can and will switch back. He likes those Pure Protein shakes too. I used to give him one every day before he went to swim practice.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 10:04:29 GMT -5
I was wondering about those revolution wraps things that I see commercials for - the kid heading off to practice kicking or something at 0dark00 and has a couple tucked into his bag? I might have the name all screwed up though. I dunno. I haven't even seen them. But, I also haven't watched tv much in the past few weeks, except for an hour of the packer game (and it was the first half...missed the second..boo) I do know that the kid's cliff bars have little protein in them. I think it's three grams. Not enough. It's mostly an excuse to eat something chocolately.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:07:40 GMT -5
As a side note, younger son is a stick. He wears slim jeans instead of husky (and they still fall off), doesn't like milk, loves fruits and veggies, does somersaults all over the house and can't wait until he's old enough to play basketball.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 10:08:12 GMT -5
Instead of buying granola bars, will he eat a protein bar? The kids lap up normal cliff bars and peanut butter zone bars. They are usually 200 calories, but it keeps them full much longer than goldfish. Yep. He's not picky there. Cliff bar, Zone bars, whatever, but I haven't been buying them lately because they cost so much more, but I can and will switch back. He likes those Pure Protein shakes too. I used to give him one every day before he went to swim practice. Do you have a sam's club or costco or something? With a coupon, at costco, we pay about $1/bar. Has he finished the Cooking merit badge? There's a section on my plate..While not perfect it's something. This might be a good time to get him to work on this if he hasn't. meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/Cooking
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:10:12 GMT -5
I skipped some, so it's probably been said, but lactose and grains... Sorry they are his favs but probably not good for him.
I'd be carful with too much soy too. Nuts maybe?
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 10:10:20 GMT -5
As a side note, younger son is a stick. He wears slim jeans instead of husky (and they still fall off), doesn't like milk, loves fruits and veggies, does somersaults all over the house and can't wait until he's old enough to play basketball. My peanut is like that. She's much smaller and stronger compared to her two older siblings, and eats far more fruits/veggies than her sibs. For the first few months of her life, I seriously thought something was wrong with her, because she wasn't bigger like the other two are.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 15, 2015 10:11:26 GMT -5
I was wondering about those revolution wraps things that I see commercials for - the kid heading off to practice kicking or something at 0dark00 and has a couple tucked into his bag? I might have the name all screwed up though. I dunno. I haven't even seen them. But, I also haven't watched tv much in the past few weeks, except for an hour of the packer game (and it was the first half...missed the second..boo) I do know that the kid's cliff bars have little protein in them. I think it's three grams. Not enough. It's mostly an excuse to eat something chocolately. I went looking (because I'm avoiding work too) www.hormel.com/Brands/HormelRevWraps.aspxthis is the pepperoni wrap - sorry about the formatting. Nutritional Information Serving Size: 77.0g Servings per Container: varies Amount Per Serving Calories: 290.0 Total Fat: 20.0g Saturated Fat: 9.0g Cholesterol: 50.0mg Sodium: 920.0mg Total Carbs: 14.0g Fiber: 1.0g Sugars: 2.0g Protein: 13.0g
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Post by giramomma on Sept 15, 2015 10:14:22 GMT -5
So, Milk counts as a "carb" and cottage cheese is a "protein". It's just a grossly simplified shortcut but I've found it to be extremely helpful. Often things that are labeled as 'high protein' are still carbs.
"high in protein and fiber" Cliff Bar 45g carbs 10g protein 2.5g fat
Also, watch out for the sugar in protein bars. The Cliff Bar listed above has 21g of sugar that's 5.25 teaspoons!.
My zone perfect bars have 23-24 grams of carbs and 14 grams of protein. (just looked..) We buy cliff bars maybe 4 times a year. So, not as familiar.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:17:45 GMT -5
Yep. He's not picky there. Cliff bar, Zone bars, whatever, but I haven't been buying them lately because they cost so much more, but I can and will switch back. He likes those Pure Protein shakes too. I used to give him one every day before he went to swim practice. Do you have a sam's club or costco or something? With a coupon, at costco, we pay about $1/bar. Has he finished the Cooking merit badge? There's a section on my plate..While not perfect it's something. This might be a good time to get him to work on this if he hasn't. meritbadge.org/wiki/index.php/CookingWe do have a Sam's Club membership. I was thinking of getting some of those Clif organics that look like just a bunch of nuts and dark chocolate stuck together, but I'm wondering if they're not much better than a candy bar? He's not done with his cooking merit badge. All he's done so far is do the cooking for the backpack campout and the regular campout.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:19:25 GMT -5
I dunno. I haven't even seen them. But, I also haven't watched tv much in the past few weeks, except for an hour of the packer game (and it was the first half...missed the second..boo) I do know that the kid's cliff bars have little protein in them. I think it's three grams. Not enough. It's mostly an excuse to eat something chocolately. I went looking (because I'm avoiding work too) www.hormel.com/Brands/HormelRevWraps.aspxthis is the pepperoni wrap - sorry about the formatting. Nutritional Information Serving Size: 77.0g Servings per Container: varies Amount Per Serving Calories: 290.0 Total Fat: 20.0g Saturated Fat: 9.0g Cholesterol: 50.0mg Sodium: 920.0mg Total Carbs: 14.0g Fiber: 1.0g Sugars: 2.0g Protein: 13.0g He's all about wraps. We could probably make these ourselves easy enough with sandwich meat and cheese and not have all the sodium. Although, I think pepperoni is full of sodium on it's own so maybe not.
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Post by gs11rmb on Sept 15, 2015 10:20:10 GMT -5
So, Milk counts as a "carb" and cottage cheese is a "protein". It's just a grossly simplified shortcut but I've found it to be extremely helpful. Often things that are labeled as 'high protein' are still carbs.
"high in protein and fiber" Cliff Bar 45g carbs 10g protein 2.5g fat
Also, watch out for the sugar in protein bars. The Cliff Bar listed above has 21g of sugar that's 5.25 teaspoons!.
My zone perfect bars have 23-24 grams of carbs and 14 grams of protein. (just looked..) We buy cliff bars maybe 4 times a year. So, not as familiar. So, it's a carb with 17g (4.25 tsp) of sugar. An adult woman is advised to have no more than 24g (6 tsp) of sugar per day.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 15, 2015 10:22:57 GMT -5
Applegate makes a non nitrate pepperoni.
I'd try most for real meats and nuts and nut butters and any fruit it veggie you can bribe him to eat... Maybe with chocolate dribbled and dips first?
I'd stop buying milk. Cold turkey that.., uhm , stuff...
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 15, 2015 10:25:37 GMT -5
I didn't read everything before posting, so someone may have said this. Give him whole wheat bread and pasta. It won't put on so much weight. Switching to brown rice from white will keep him fuller longer.
As far as milk goes, cut down on it an buy milk with less fat. Maybe just go skim milk all together.
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Post by yogiii on Sept 15, 2015 10:27:21 GMT -5
Skim milk is , though I suppose that may be a way to get him to stop drinking milk all together.
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