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Post by giramomma on Sept 16, 2015 10:14:08 GMT -5
Telling him we were cutting his food (well, milk). I don't think I worded it because he was fat though. I figured I had to tell him or he wouldn't ration himself. I think telling kids the truth about things like healthy food choices, and their poor performance up until this point - in a supportive way - is a good idea. People are all different, so I am sure there are many ways to do this correctly and incorrectly. I haven't had to deal with a child who has weight issues, but in general, I think that connecting too much milk to unhealthy results is the right way to go. Just don't use words like "fat." Use words like "unhealthy." This is what we do at home. And we remind the kids that we aren't looking out for their short term health, but their long term one/
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Post by The Captain on Sept 16, 2015 10:14:42 GMT -5
Now if we're all about the most flavor for the calories, I vote Cabot Extra sharp white cheddar blocks.
Dubliner Irish Cheddar Cheese is also good if you can get it.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 16, 2015 10:16:39 GMT -5
Agree with all of the above, but let's not forget about BEANS people!!! Well seasoned beans are a nutrition powerhouse, cheap, tasty and filling!!! (Now I think I'm gonna have to whip up a batch of these this weekend!!!) I never liked beans until I had some at a road side stand in Puerto Rico. Now I really wish I could figure out how to make those. Describe what they tasted like and their color. I have, like, four bean cookbooks. Should be able to find something close... or maybe just something new you'll like!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 16, 2015 10:18:40 GMT -5
This is what we do at home. And we remind the kids that we aren't looking out for their short term health, but their long term one/
Considering he's having digestive upset I'd think even just emphasizing his short term health would be a positive. Nobody likes to walk around gassy/bloated and having the poos. I often have a hard time getting DH to see long term but he will comment on the short term. He was amazed at how much better he felt after he stopped drinking those 5 hour energy things. He was putting away 3 a day. They do a number on your digestive system. Upon reflection he said maybe they weren't as healthy as he thought. Well no duh.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 10:39:00 GMT -5
I never liked beans until I had some at a road side stand in Puerto Rico. Now I really wish I could figure out how to make those. Describe what they tasted like and their color. I have, like, four bean cookbooks. Should be able to find something close... or maybe just something new you'll like! Man, it's been so many years, I really don't remember. I know there was red and pink beans and I think the rice was yellow. Does that help?
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Post by milee on Sept 16, 2015 10:43:10 GMT -5
Y'all realize I just bought a 50 pound bag of rice right? Donate it to the food pantry. Your oldest son doesn't need the empty calories and you and your youngest son need better nutrition than those empty calories.
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Post by milee on Sept 16, 2015 10:45:41 GMT -5
Agree with all of the above, but let's not forget about BEANS people!!! Well seasoned beans are a nutrition powerhouse, cheap, tasty and filling!!! (Now I think I'm gonna have to whip up a batch of these this weekend!!!) I never liked beans until I had some at a road side stand in Puerto Rico. Now I really wish I could figure out how to make those. AWESOME Ranch Beans1 lb dried pintos 12 oz dark beer Large chopped onion 3-4 bacon slices, cut into ½” dice 4 minced garlic cloves 2 tsp salt 1 jalapeno, seeded and finely chopped 1 chipotle w/adobo sauce, minced 1 large veggie bouillon cube (for making 2 cups bouillon) Combine all ingredients in a heavy, large pot. Add enough water to cover beans by at least one inch. Bring to a simmer and simmer uncovered for 3-5 hours, stirring every once in a while to prevent sticking. You may need to add water as it cooks away. Keep the tops of the beans covered. (Could probably be done in a crock pot.)
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 10:46:39 GMT -5
I'm living on rice and beans, beans and rice and you want me to give away the rice?!?
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Post by milee on Sept 16, 2015 10:52:18 GMT -5
I'm living on rice and beans, beans and rice and you want me to give away the rice?!? Unless it's brown rice - yes.
And your oldest son doesn't really need even the brown rice.
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Post by chen35 on Sept 16, 2015 10:53:25 GMT -5
I have a bit of a different opinion. This kid is going to lose it if you change everything at once. Keep your rice for now. Work on cutting back the milk, and the breakfast burrito suggestions Milee mentioned. Once those have been fully incorporated, start the shift to whole wheat grains for everything, including brown rice. Work on healthier snacks, etc. A lot of change all at once is hard to maintain.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 10:59:05 GMT -5
I'm living on rice and beans, beans and rice and you want me to give away the rice?!? Unless it's brown rice - yes.
And your oldest son doesn't really need even the brown rice.
I do have a $400/month grocery budget to deal with too. This year is the first year I haven't had a garden in 15 years and I'm kind of regretting that now, but the weekends this Spring were either raining and cold or booked up, so I said screw it. Next year it will be back.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 16, 2015 10:59:46 GMT -5
Rice isn't the best for you - but it has a little protein, and it holds me longer than pasta or bread.
Plus, you might want to go in chunks with your son. If he will transition to things that include rice, and then later, mix half white and half brown rice, and then later go full brown rice, or start mixing in veges and reducing the volume of rice.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 11:09:32 GMT -5
We honestly don't use it much. That 50 pound bag will probably last a couple years. I tend to use it as a filler in things like the breakfast burritos and I make a casserole that is basically hamburger, spaghetti sauce and rice cooked up together. As a side alone, not much. Maybe once a week and usually with plain chicken breast or some kind of Chinese chicken like General Taos or Sweet and Sour. It also worked well for stopping up the dog (and DS) when they got diarrhea and drying out the cell phones.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Sept 16, 2015 11:09:54 GMT -5
And maybe get the name from NomoreDramaQ1015 of those cookbooks about sneaking veggies into meals.
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Post by yogiii on Sept 16, 2015 11:09:52 GMT -5
Keep the rice, just don't put it in the burrito because you're already using the wrap. Try to limit the carbs. If you're having a meal with rice, let the rice be the only carb and the rest be protein, veg, fruit.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 16, 2015 11:16:55 GMT -5
And maybe get the name from NomoreDramaQ1015 of those cookbooks about sneaking veggies into meals. Yeah, I'm missing my zucchini. I used to give DS zucchini bread and say it was banana bread and he didn't know the difference. Of course neither one of them is that healthy in a sweet bread.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 16, 2015 11:17:41 GMT -5
It does cost more to eat healthier. No doubt about that but you all will be eating healthier. I shouldn't be shocked at his weight because I had three kindergarteners who outweighed me but still....
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 16, 2015 11:19:02 GMT -5
Yup, cool it with the bread, period. It's so bad for you. It just about kills me that DH eats white bread. But there's so little he can eat that I just cringe when I buy it and let it go.
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Post by yogiii on Sept 16, 2015 11:24:22 GMT -5
A little white bread isn't going to kill you, but making healthy choices is key. Having one day a week where he hogs out on ice cream or rice is ok too but hopefully on his own he'll start to see he is feeling better as he eats healthier, has more energy etc.
Starting out just limiting (like what you are doing with milk) or modifying (less carbs more protein) will likely create a noticeable difference in a month or so.
In the end all you can do is try to provide him with good alternatives. A lot of this has to come from him wanting a change.
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Post by chen35 on Sept 16, 2015 11:25:57 GMT -5
There are a lot of sweet bread recipes that replace quite a bit of the sugar with applesauce. Still not super healthy, but better. That's the only way I can get any veggies/whole grains in DS15.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 16, 2015 11:27:34 GMT -5
I'm worried about the beans. The last thing this kid needs is a fart/gas issue in school. You think the kids are cruel now...
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 16, 2015 11:30:59 GMT -5
The cookbooks are called Sneaky Chef. She has an entire line of cookbooks including one that is a mixture of recipes and tips to getting kids more physically active.
I used them on DH b/c when we met he was the pickest eater on the planet. Overtime his pallette has adjusted (and my cooking is better lol) and he's come to love a lot of things he used to swear he hated and wouldn't eat even if his life depended on it.
I still use a lot of her tricks. I found putting pumpkin/sweet potato puree into tomate based sauces helps with heartburn and is way better than adding sugar. I put ground flax seed into just about every ground meat dish I make. So it's been good for me too, especially when I was pregnant with Gwen and could barely stand to look at food let alone eat it.
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Post by thyme4change on Sept 16, 2015 11:44:11 GMT -5
Remember when 'fat' was the devil and every health problem we had was because of eating fatty foods. Now everyone says that about bread.
I believe everything in moderation.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 16, 2015 11:45:40 GMT -5
I don't think that what MPL is putting into the wraps is too bad - especially if you figure out that this is 8 servings. Each wrap is a little more than an egg, 2 oz of sausage, cheese and rice. I might try increasing the number of eggs and decreasing the amount of rice, or replacing some of the rice with onions/mushrooms/peppers though. Unless her kid is eating 2-3 of these wraps each morning, that's not a lot for an adolescent boy.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 16, 2015 11:47:02 GMT -5
I think they may be surprised at how much just cutting his milk consumption down is going to solve a lot of his problems including weight.
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Post by milee on Sept 16, 2015 11:47:56 GMT -5
We honestly don't use it much. That 50 pound bag will probably last a couple years. I tend to use it as a filler in things like the breakfast burritos and I make a casserole that is basically hamburger, spaghetti sauce and rice cooked up together. As a side alone, not much. Maybe once a week and usually with plain chicken breast or some kind of Chinese chicken like General Taos or Sweet and Sour. But that's even more reason to ditch the white rice. Your budget is tight, so why waste money on something that's just filler and empty calories? Your oldest son does not need any extra high calorie filler foods; if he does need filler foods, they should be higher fiber (helps in feeling full and regulate digestive issues), low calorie and have good nutrition to be a reasonable supplement to his diet that already seems really high in empty, high calorie filler foods and very low in vitamins and minerals.
You and younger son don't have the same challenges with needing to cut out the empty calories, but since you only eat a small amount of calories overall, don't you want to make sure that the calories you do eat contain decent nutrition in them? White rice and plain chicken breast - empty calorie filler and protein, but if you substitute brown rice at least you get some fiber and added vitamins/minerals from the rice hull. Not even sure where to begin with the idea of white rice and chicken with sugar sauce.... come on, you have to know this is just a high calorie filler meal with almost no vitamin/mineral content and hugely high calories, right? Ditch the rice with that and have broccoli or other veggie as a side.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 16, 2015 11:58:18 GMT -5
I'm worried about the beans. The last thing this kid needs is a fart/gas issue in school. You think the kids are cruel now... If you soak the beans overnight before cooking, empty the soak water, rinse the beans and add fresh water for cooking that will get rid of most of the carbs that are causing the gas. Also, adding cumin or fennel to the finished product helps a lot. Soaking, though, is the most efficient way to prevent the problem. Just boil the beans in a lot of water for 2 or 3 minutes and refrigerate overnight.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Sept 16, 2015 11:59:20 GMT -5
I think they may be surprised at how much just cutting his milk consumption down is going to solve a lot of his problems including weight. This is probably the crux of things. People would freak if he was drinking a gallon of soda every other day and while the nutrition content is better with milk, it's a whopping number of calories. A gallon of 1% milk is 2400 calories. A gallon of soda is slightly less, just under 2000 calories. Just halving his milk intake would cut almost 5000 calories/week out of his diet.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Sept 16, 2015 12:11:29 GMT -5
It's also a ton of lactose. Even if you aren't lactose intolerant 4 gallons a week of it would be enough to make a person sick.
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Post by yogiii on Sept 16, 2015 12:13:50 GMT -5
The 2400 calories is for whole milk but still even 2% is about 2100 calories
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