So.... today it looks like Bernie and the Donald

[Value Buy]

in the fall election of 2016.
Yes, it's early and things can/will change, but let's play the "what if" game.
Who would be their Vice President nominee, and who wins in the fall election?

[Value Buy]

I'll go first.
Trump takes Ben Carson or maybe Carly, but will go with Ben right now. Have to keep the political outsider niche to the end

Sanders, who else but Elizabeth Warren? Have to keep the leftwing agenda a solid twosome.

And with that pick, we get Trump as the winner.

[thyme4change]

I don't like horror movies like this.  I'm out.

[djAdvocate]

actually, this settles a question that wasn't really even asked: corporatism -vs- socialism.

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Sept 15, 2015 7:47:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I'll go first.
Trump takes Ben Carson or maybe Carly, but will go with Ben right now. Have to keep the political outsider niche to the end

Sanders, who else but Elizabeth Warren? Have to keep the leftwing agenda a solid twosome.

And with that pick, we get Trump as the winner.

At that point I say we get a 3, maybe even more way race...

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2015 7:47:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I'll go first.
Trump takes Ben Carson or maybe Carly, but will go with Ben right now. Have to keep the political outsider niche to the end

Sanders, who else but Elizabeth Warren? Have to keep the leftwing agenda a solid twosome.

And with that pick, we get Trump as the winner.

Factor: the Republican Convention is first so Sanders can react to Trump choice.

Is Trump predictable in any way? Tradition would have the "attack dog" second on the ticket so the head can be Presidential but could Trump do that? If yes, Carly would be the choice. Also since the Democrats will be not nominating Hillary, a female would play well.

Two New England Senators? Is there a Western governor available? Would he need a female?

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Still a long way to go either way before we know.  There have been a lot of front-runners who burn out pretty fast for whatever reason.  Sometimes it doesn't really take anything big, like Howard Dean.  I'm still not really sure what it was that caused the media to turn on him so fast, but it worked.  People say it was his scream, but really it seemed more like certain higher ups and the networks had it out for him more than anything else because it really didn't seem like that big of a deal to me (coming from somebody that didn't really have an opinion of him either way).  

[ken a.k.a OMK]

It's obvious. Trump will clone himself. Who other to run with him but himself? He's insulted everyone else.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 9:09:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Sept 15, 2015 7:47:16 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

I'll go first.
Trump takes Ben Carson or maybe Carly, but will go with Ben right now. Have to keep the political outsider niche to the end

Sanders, who else but Elizabeth Warren? Have to keep the leftwing agenda a solid twosome.

And with that pick, we get Trump as the winner.

Factor: the Republican Convention is first so Sanders can react to Trump choice.

Is Trump predictable in any way? Tradition would have the "attack dog" second on the ticket so the head can be Presidential but could Trump do that? If yes, Carly would be the choice. Also since the Democrats will be not nominating Hillary, a female would play well.

Two New England Senators? Is there a Western governor available? Would he need a female?

I don't think there "needs" to be a female on the ticket because I don't think people are more or less likely to vote Democratic based on that issue; especially with the promotion of Republicans being "anti-women."  For some reason it seems that women or minorities on the Republican ticket are viewed differently than women and minorities on the Democratic ticket.  On the democratic ticket it seems to be seen as "proof" of inclusion, on the republican ticket it seems to be attacked as a gimmick and those candidates seemed to be attacked for being on the republican ticket.  It's a sad dynamic; but I do think it will change in the future.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 9:44:26 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

It's obvious. Trump will clone himself. Who other to run with him but himself? He's insulted everyone else.

Candidates always seem to attack each other during the primaries, and then make nice when the main election rolls around.  It happens on both sides and this will unfortunately be the same thing.  It's unfortunate we have politics of hate, instead of politics of debate.  People seem to focus more on why we shouldn't vote for the other person, than why we should vote for them and the most common argument of why to vote for them seems to be "because the other person is worse."

[ken a.k.a OMK]

Trump has done more then just attack other candidates on their views and abilities. He is a nasty man. He has no moral fiber and alienates so many parts of our society that I see no way he can win. The polls are just people venting. They won't vote for him when it comes time.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

I don't take trump seriously although I'm sure he believes in himself. He attacks Carly for her handling of HP, yet is responsible for 3 or 4 bankruptcies including the Trump University in which he is being investigated by the NY AG for defrauding people.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 9:57:02 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Trump has done more then just attack other candidates on their views and abilities. He is a nasty man. He has no moral fiber and alienates so many parts of our society that I see no way he can win. The polls are just people venting. They won't vote for him when it comes time.

It depends...there is something to be said for people being tired of both parties and just wanting something different.  There is also something to be said about if people feel that at least they think he's being honest about what he thinks about other people and isn't just trying to run everything by a focus group before saying it nationally.  He's not a canned politician, and that might appeal to a lot of people because they want something different that what we've been getting for a number of years.  It also could appeal to people because they honestly may feel the same way and wanted somebody to say it out loud.

[ken a.k.a OMK]

PI I agree with you that people are fed-up and Trump addresses that. But he has no ideas and I don't see him as the answer. His running now should help the GOP in planning their platform, but he won't be nominated.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 10:08:19 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

PI I agree with you that people are fed-up and Trump addresses that. But he has no ideas and I don't see him as the answer. His running now should help the GOP in planning their platform, but he won't be nominated.

What ideas did you see from Obama?  Honestly I am asking because it was more cheer-leading and "I'm not Bush" or "I'm not like the other politicians."  He was basically like Teflon in that nothing seemed to stick (no matter how many questionable things came up) and many people seemed afraid to attack him like they do other candidates.  Now people aren't afraid to attack Trump and he may very well burn out.  The primaries haven't started yet and only time will tell.  If people want to vote for people who don't have political experience, Trump has a good chance and if he gets the nomination, I wouldn't count him out of the election because a lot of people are fed up with politics the way they are now.  I'm not saying he'll get the nomination or win if he does get it...just pointing out that the top 3 noms are people that aren't career politicians (at least not elected career politicians because I'm sure they had to play some politics to get to where they are right now).  

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I won't vote for a 'pro-life' candidate. I don't care if it's a woman.

Sanders is liked by a lot of YOUNG people.

One issue with Sanders, is that Republicans have been calling all Dems liberal, extreme, socialist for ever now... So how do they differentiate? To tier narrative Sanders is nothing different.... It will be interesting to watch.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 10:05:53 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

I don't think Trump will be the GOP nominee. He is having his Summer of Trump, and he may even get a Christmas on Trump Street, but he will crash and burn before the end. The entire mainstream GOP is agin' him.

I also don't think Sanders is the Dem nominee. The left leaning segment of the party base love him, and he appeals to the unaffiliated on the left as well. He is also getting a boost from the ennui felt by many in the party to Hillary right now. However, gawd luv im, he would probably get run over in the general election, and I think the party rank and file are cognizant of that. I still think at the end of the day Hillary will be tough to stop. I also think the Dems could do worse than her. She is in a rough spot now, but when she rights the ship she is formidable.

If Sanders doesn't get the nomination, I think he'd make a strong VP nom from a strategic standpoint because of the reasons you mentioned. As a presidential nominee, I do wonder if his political views would get scrutinized more and possibly alienate moderate voters as being too extreme.  Right now I don't think that's the case for him, but if he gets the nom, I would think it would have to come up at some point.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 10:18:19 GMT -5 oped said:

I won't vote for a 'pro-life' candidate. I don't care if it's a woman.

Sanders is liked by a lot of YOUNG people.

One issue with Sanders, is that Republicans have been calling all Dems liberal, extreme, socialist for ever now... So how do they differentiate? To tier narrative Sanders is nothing different.... It will be interesting to watch.

And dems have been calling all republicans extreme, right wing conservatives who basically hate everybody for a good while...it doesn't really seem to matter who it is in the election.  

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2015 9:48:32 GMT -5 Politically_Incorrect12 said:

Sept 15, 2015 9:09:46 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Factor: the Republican Convention is first so Sanders can react to Trump choice.

Is Trump predictable in any way? Tradition would have the "attack dog" second on the ticket so the head can be Presidential but could Trump do that? If yes, Carly would be the choice. Also since the Democrats will be not nominating Hillary, a female would play well.

Two New England Senators? Is there a Western governor available? Would he need a female?

I don't think there "needs" to be a female on the ticket because I don't think people are more or less likely to vote Democratic based on that issue; especially with the promotion of Republicans being "anti-women."  For some reason it seems that women or minorities on the Republican ticket are viewed differently than women and minorities on the Democratic ticket.  On the democratic ticket it seems to be seen as "proof" of inclusion, on the republican ticket it seems to be attacked as a gimmick and those candidates seemed to be attacked for being on the republican ticket.  It's a sad dynamic; but I do think it will change in the future.

I don't see having a female on the ticket as a vote for the Democratic ticket as much as a turn out to vote at all issue. Plucking Palin out of Alaska was a gimmick. Selecting a tested Carson or Fiorina would not be.

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Not true. Definite difference between the candidates. Although yes. They all have seemed to run right on social issues of late... to their detriment.

But those who are extreme right have actually been so, most dems have been rather centric in reality... But hey, you want left, maybe Bernie will have reps acknowledging a middle again...

[ken a.k.a OMK]

PI, Obama emphasized withdrawing American troops from Iraq, increasing energy independence, decreasing the influence of lobbyists, and promoting universal health care as national priorities. I don't think he expected 8 years of Republican roadblocks to every thing he tried. And it looks like they want to shut down the government again. Last time was a disaster.

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And this time will be ugly. I'll lose friends. I'm pretty sure.

[Value Buy]

Twenty one responses and no one wants to pick their choice for V.P. for these two candidates?

We can always discuss who the actual nominee will be, but let's go with this selection right now.
If and when they get knocked out we can change the names to protect the innocents.

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2015 10:51:06 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Twenty one responses and no one wants to pick their choice for V.P. for these two candidates?

...

Maybe some music will get people in the mood to play

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2015 13:16:25 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Trump-- Michael Bloomberg or Carly Fiorina

Sanders- Kay Hagen or Mary Landrieu

Not sure if you were serious but:
Donald Trump fumes: Michael Bloomberg might have lowballed my wealth because he's jealous

[Wisconsin Beth]

Sept 15, 2015 9:57:02 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

Trump has done more then just attack other candidates on their views and abilities. He is a nasty man. He has no moral fiber and alienates so many parts of our society that I see no way he can win. The polls are just people venting. They won't vote for him when it comes time.

I'm really, really, REALLY hoping you are correct on this Ken. 

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 10:28:11 GMT -5 ken a.k.a OMK said:

PI, Obama emphasized withdrawing American troops from Iraq,

That plan was already in motion, but he did re-evaluate and push back the timeline because the situation changed.  He gets credit for realizing that when things change, so do plans.


increasing energy independence,

I must have missed what he did for that one.


decreasing the influence of lobbyists,




and promoting universal health care as national priorities

He couldn't even get his own party on board for that one, but I'm sure you probably think it's the republicans fault for that one.


I don't think he expected 8 years of Republican roadblocks to every thing he tried. And it looks like they want to shut down the government again. Last time was a disaster.


I guess he probably didn't, especially since it was how long before he even tried to even bring them to the table to discuss national issues?  I'm sure shutting them out was really just a misunderstanding and it was those mean old republicans fault because democrats just want everybody to get along.   

[bean29]

Maybe no one is picking the VP candidate as running mate, b/c no-one likes the choices for President.

I can't stand Scott Walker, but he would be better than Trump. That said, I wouldn't vote for either.

If it is Trump and Hillary, I think a 3rd party candidate could win.

[Politically_Incorrect12]

Sept 15, 2015 13:48:34 GMT -5 bean29 said:

Maybe no one is picking the VP candidate as running mate, b/c no-one likes the choices for President.

I can't stand Scott Walker, but he would be better than Trump. That said, I wouldn't vote for either.

If it is Trump and Hillary, I think a 3rd party candidate could win.

Probably not because not enough people will think that person has a chance to win, so they will try to vote for which they see as the lesser of two evils.

[billisonboard]

Sept 15, 2015 13:44:01 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

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I actually have a hard time imagining Trump picking anyone.  Or most people accepting.  It would really be cool to see the President tell the Vice President that he/ she is FIRED though!

I just have to hope that Donald Trump is able to deal with the full ramifications of asking people to give him the job of President of the United States. I think that if he does get the nomination, his choice for Vice President will be a good indication of whether he has or hasn't. I don't know exactly who would indicate exactly what but my gut says it will be significant.