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Post by fishy999 on Sept 18, 2015 23:10:07 GMT -5
If someone chooses to stockpile out of fear, I have no issue with that. If someone chooses to stockpile out of faith, I've got no stones to throw. If someone chooses to stockpile out of a desire to be thrifty, frugal, independent or otherwise, that's fine with me. Speaking personally, (and to partially quote another poster, "I hope the next economic troubles we have DO NOT hurt ANY of the posters here" ~ regardless (or in spite of) any differences in opinions we have on anything. If any of you want to stock up on Spam and beans, go for it! On this we agree. Preparation is a quality idea regardless of your motivation. We are now at least four, and maybe five generations out from two world wars and the "Great Depression". Things can and do happen, and hoping they won't and saying they won't will not change the fact that hard times will come. Tomorrow? Next year? Maybe in 10 years. If all you've got are electronic cards to access electronic "money" and even your paper assets are electronic-- you might not fare as well as you think. A good preparation requires the physical stuff you need to actually live, and hopefully some physical items of value you can trade for those items you don't. I have a sizable stash of booze and tobacco at an undisclosed location because a real SHTF scenario could mean "prison economy" for awhile. So you agree that stockpiling gold and seeds is pretty much stupid- ala the advertisers on right wing radio shows, right?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 19, 2015 13:17:51 GMT -5
On this we agree. Preparation is a quality idea regardless of your motivation. We are now at least four, and maybe five generations out from two world wars and the "Great Depression". Things can and do happen, and hoping they won't and saying they won't will not change the fact that hard times will come. Tomorrow? Next year? Maybe in 10 years. If all you've got are electronic cards to access electronic "money" and even your paper assets are electronic-- you might not fare as well as you think. A good preparation requires the physical stuff you need to actually live, and hopefully some physical items of value you can trade for those items you don't. I have a sizable stash of booze and tobacco at an undisclosed location because a real SHTF scenario could mean "prison economy" for awhile. So you agree that stockpiling gold and seeds is pretty much stupid- ala the advertisers on right wing radio shows, right? I think having land has traditionally been synonymous with wealth throughout human history because all wealth ultimately comes from land / property. I think it's wise to have a plot of land somewhere, and a store of goods which can last until the land can produce- and you do need plants that can reproduce. I'm not sure what gold is going to do for you? In a true SHTF scenario, you're going to need something you can barter with-- nobody is going to be thinking gold. They're going to be thinking about other things. I don't share a lot of this stuff, but I'll tell you-- a few years back, we bought a farm up on the GA / FL line. It's a pecan orchard- albiet a very small one. The owners were in financial trouble, but had gone through much of the process to have the property certified organic. We are continuing that process on half the property, but we said f it on the rest. Last year was our first year of any real productivity-- we got $1,073 per acre combined for the two separate sections-- this fall we are looking at something closer to $1,800. When the trees are fully mature, and newly planted trees start producing, AND we're certified organic-- we are looking at an average for the whole property of around $2,500 to $3,500 per acre. Now, I said all that to say this: this is an example of something that meets my #1 prepper criteria: it's smart if everything goes well, and the S never HTF, and it's smart if it does. Do you have any idea how long we could survive on pecans? Be damn sick of them, though- but they're a nice staple-- AND we can trade them. It;s a great little easy income stream. And, I'm not going to lie-- I love that orchard. It's a beautiful place. I got a 600 pound hog out there last year and we pit smoked it. Couple of deer, too- but other than venison sausage and venison tenderloins, I'll be honest- I'm not the biggest deer meat fan. We give them to charity.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 19, 2015 13:31:24 GMT -5
So you agree that stockpiling gold and seeds is pretty much stupid- ala the advertisers on right wing radio shows, right? I think having land has traditionally been synonymous with wealth throughout human history because all wealth ultimately comes from land / property. I think it's wise to have a plot of land somewhere, and a store of goods which can last until the land can produce- and you do need plants that can reproduce. I'm not sure what gold is going to do for you? In a true SHTF scenario, you're going to need something you can barter with-- nobody is going to be thinking gold. They're going to be thinking about other things. I don't share a lot of this stuff, but I'll tell you-- a few years back, we bought a farm up on the GA / FL line. It's a pecan orchard- albiet a very small one. The owners were in financial trouble, but had gone through much of the process to have the property certified organic. We are continuing that process on half the property, but we said f it on the rest. Last year was our first year of any real productivity-- we got $1,073 per acre combined for the two separate sections-- this fall we are looking at something closer to $1,800. When the trees are fully mature, and newly planted trees start producing, AND we're certified organic-- we are looking at an average for the whole property of around $2,500 to $3,500 per acre. Now, I said all that to say this: this is an example of something that meets my #1 prepper criteria: it's smart if everything goes well, and the S never HTF, and it's smart if it does. Do you have any idea how long we could survive on pecans? Be damn sick of them, though- but they're a nice staple-- AND we can trade them. It;s a great little easy income stream. And, I'm not going to lie-- I love that orchard. It's a beautiful place. I got a 600 pound hog out there last year and we pit smoked it. Couple of deer, too- but other than venison sausage and venison tenderloins, I'll be honest- I'm not the biggest deer meat fan. We give them to charity. If more people in huricane country had some cheap land inland of where they live, they would be in much less danger. I am guessing, but I think land in southern Arkansas can be bought for ~$2000 an acre and probably less then that if bargain hunting. Put a couple of shipping containers on it and some food and water and it is a makeshift home for when needed. Partner up with some families or churches from other regions and it can be even cheaper. Pecans grow in southern Arkansas just like southern Alabama. People will always blame government for not planning ahead and mock individuals for planning ahead.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 19, 2015 19:59:46 GMT -5
I think having land has traditionally been synonymous with wealth throughout human history because all wealth ultimately comes from land / property. I think it's wise to have a plot of land somewhere, and a store of goods which can last until the land can produce- and you do need plants that can reproduce. I'm not sure what gold is going to do for you? In a true SHTF scenario, you're going to need something you can barter with-- nobody is going to be thinking gold. They're going to be thinking about other things. I don't share a lot of this stuff, but I'll tell you-- a few years back, we bought a farm up on the GA / FL line. It's a pecan orchard- albiet a very small one. The owners were in financial trouble, but had gone through much of the process to have the property certified organic. We are continuing that process on half the property, but we said f it on the rest. Last year was our first year of any real productivity-- we got $1,073 per acre combined for the two separate sections-- this fall we are looking at something closer to $1,800. When the trees are fully mature, and newly planted trees start producing, AND we're certified organic-- we are looking at an average for the whole property of around $2,500 to $3,500 per acre. Now, I said all that to say this: this is an example of something that meets my #1 prepper criteria: it's smart if everything goes well, and the S never HTF, and it's smart if it does. Do you have any idea how long we could survive on pecans? Be damn sick of them, though- but they're a nice staple-- AND we can trade them. It;s a great little easy income stream. And, I'm not going to lie-- I love that orchard. It's a beautiful place. I got a 600 pound hog out there last year and we pit smoked it. Couple of deer, too- but other than venison sausage and venison tenderloins, I'll be honest- I'm not the biggest deer meat fan. We give them to charity. If more people in huricane country had some cheap land inland of where they live, they would be in much less danger. I am guessing, but I think land in southern Arkansas can be bought for ~$2000 an acre and probably less then that if bargain hunting. Put a couple of shipping containers on it and some food and water and it is a makeshift home for when needed. Partner up with some families or churches from other regions and it can be even cheaper. Pecans grow in southern Arkansas just like southern Alabama. People will always blame government for not planning ahead and mock individuals for planning ahead. Actually, if the government would stop providing insurance- Federal NFIP and Florida CPIC- people would quit repairing and rebuilding on the same sand bar, so in a way- it is kinda the government's fault. The Austrians call this "malinvestment". The government basically keeps providing incentives to do the same foolish things over and over again. Btw- we bought the whole farm for less than $1,500 an acre. They needed to sell yesterday-- we got it basically for paying off the mortgage.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 19, 2015 20:03:05 GMT -5
Early next year, we're starting up acquaponics.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 19, 2015 20:21:05 GMT -5
I'll take my chances with hurricanes any day over tornadoes. I know it is hard to believe but there is no place free from mother nature and her wrath when it comes. I can evacuate from a hurricane. Not much time to outrun a tornado or earthquake but to each his own. Besides think how crowded Arkansas would become if everyone in hurricane country moved there. Not just the Gulf Coast, but East Coast and West Coast, heck even Mexico residents could move there to buy cheap land just to avoid a hurricane
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 7:32:20 GMT -5
I'll take my chances with hurricanes any day over tornadoes. I know it is hard to believe but there is no place free from mother nature and her wrath when it comes. I can evacuate from a hurricane. Not much time to outrun a tornado or earthquake but to each his own. Besides think how crowded Arkansas would become if everyone in hurricane country moved there. Not just the Gulf Coast, but East Coast and West Coast, heck even Mexico residents could move there to buy cheap land just to avoid a hurricane I am not suggesting that people in huricane country move to Arkansas, just those within a few hours of there have it as a place to retreat to when needed. Ten acres could house a big extended family with little expense. It could also serve as a place to hunt. Paul's situation of growing pecans for extra cash would work in Arkansas. Churches could do this as well as individuals. It is just an idea, that instead of being at the mercy of government and staying in the superdome during a huricane people could have something better and maybe make some money out of it also. I said Arkansas because it is some place I know, but the idea was more a few hours inland from the coast, that could be northern Florida in the case of Paul, inner Mexico for those on the Mexican coast, etc. This thread started off mocking those who worry about what might happen. I was offering suggestions that I think reasonable people could take, that would make their lives better if hard times come or even if they don't.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 20, 2015 7:53:12 GMT -5
I get what you are saying, but not everyone can afford to purchase land elsewhere/inland on the chance that they may experience a hurricane. As for moving inland, people have died "inland" from the rements of hurricanes. More people died from flooding inland from Hurricane Frederick than the people living in the direct path. And some as far away as TN, etc. My best advice is the evacuate when you city is in the path. I have gone as far as north of Atlanta when we had a mandory evacuation and guess what? The path headed that way and there was flooding that far inland - heck 6 flags had to close due to flooding. Once we evacuated to my DIL's fathers and I spent a terrified day/night with tornado sirens going off since that inland city is tornado prone. Never again My point is there is really no place where you will be completely safe from Mother Nature. I do have a problem with people who don't heed the warnings for hurricane and don't get the hell outta dodge though. Cat 3 headed my way and I am gone. Mandatory evacuation declared and I am gone.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 20, 2015 7:56:26 GMT -5
I'll take my chances with hurricanes any day over tornadoes. I know it is hard to believe but there is no place free from mother nature and her wrath when it comes. I can evacuate from a hurricane. Not much time to outrun a tornado or earthquake but to each his own. Besides think how crowded Arkansas would become if everyone in hurricane country moved there. Not just the Gulf Coast, but East Coast and West Coast, heck even Mexico residents could move there to buy cheap land just to avoid a hurricane I am not suggesting that people in huricane country move to Arkansas, just those within a few hours of there have it as a place to retreat to when needed. Ten acres could house a big extended family with little expense. It could also serve as a place to hunt. Paul's situation of growing pecans for extra cash would work in Arkansas. Churches could do this as well as individuals. It is just an idea, that instead of being at the mercy of government and staying in the superdome during a huricane people could have something better and maybe make some money out of it also. I said Arkansas because it is some place I know, but the idea was more a few hours inland from the coast, that could be northern Florida in the case of Paul, inner Mexico for those on the Mexican coast, etc. This thread started off mocking those who worry about what might happen. I was offering suggestions that I think reasonable people could take, that would make their lives better if hard times come or even if they don't. Bingo. Part of our "prepping" is also concealing how much we have and where, because the same screw ups that are mocking us now are going to be fighting for their lives in a SHTF scenario, and my guess is government will be looking to confiscate private stockpiles and ration them out as though OUR stores belong to everyone. We are prepared, if you're not: good luck. We are not only prepared to care for ourselves, but we are prepared to VOLUNTARILY help as many of our neighbors as we can. We will NOT however be forced, and attempts to steal from us will result in confrontation.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 7:56:24 GMT -5
I order more seed than I need every year. The 'family' own 200+ mountain acres. It's got a stash of guns/amo/generators... I will jokingly refer to it as our zombie apocolipse compound. But on a serious note human beings scare me some times... The breadth and depth of sheer stupidity to be blunt.. I'm guessing if I ever need to hide that will be the ultimate source.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 20, 2015 8:12:04 GMT -5
I get what you are saying, but not everyone can afford to purchase land elsewhere/inland on the chance that they may experience a hurricane. As for moving inland, people have died "inland" from the rements of hurricanes. More people died from flooding inland from Hurricane Frederick than the people living in the direct path. And some as far away as TN, etc. My best advice is the evacuate when you city is in the path. I have gone as far as north of Atlanta when we had a mandory evacuation and guess what? The path headed that way and there was flooding that far inland - heck 6 flags had to close due to flooding. Once we evacuated to my DIL's fathers and I spent a terrified day/night with tornado sirens going off since that inland city is tornado prone. Never again My point is there is really no place where you will be completely safe from Mother Nature. I do have a problem with people who don't heed the warnings for hurricane and don't get the hell outta dodge though. Cat 3 headed my way and I am gone. Mandatory evacuation declared and I am gone. It is agreed that you can never be totally safe from the ravages of nature, and you can never be completely prepared for every scenario. However, I don't have to drive 30 minutes before I can see the nuclear power plant, and we have kids- so as far fetched as it may seem today, I'm sure we're not going to regret a couple hundred dollars for KI should something go wrong at the plant. My Great Depression era grandparents had food stores and other goods until the day they died. They lived through the Dust Bowl in Kansas. I guess they just passed along some good old fashioned common sense. We've also chronicled their stories, and have read the stories of others in all sorts of situations. The Jews that escaped Europe in the 1930's and 40's; people who survived coups, revolutions, natural disasters, and other catastrophes. My own experiences as a catastrophe claims adjuster from tornadoes in the Midwest to hurricanes like Isaac, Irene, and Sandy. Sandy in particular was an eye-opener. I saw in NY, and especially out on LI from Breezy Point to the Far Rockaways, people accustomed to an urban lifestyle utterly and completely dependent on stores, on public and mass transit, on electricity-- holed up in houses living on peanut butter and stale bread with no lights, no heat, and no real help for several weeks. Remember- those who stayed did not have their cars. Long Island rail was out-- I think for a month? The power was out for weeks. It was a mess- and I saw it and said: that will NEVER be me and my family. This will NOT be us. So, go ahead and mock me. They mocked Noah. And they all drowned.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 20, 2015 8:26:23 GMT -5
I get what you are saying, but not everyone can afford to purchase land elsewhere/inland on the chance that they may experience a hurricane. As for moving inland, people have died "inland" from the rements of hurricanes. More people died from flooding inland from Hurricane Frederick than the people living in the direct path. And some as far away as TN, etc. My best advice is the evacuate when you city is in the path. I have gone as far as north of Atlanta when we had a mandory evacuation and guess what? The path headed that way and there was flooding that far inland - heck 6 flags had to close due to flooding. Once we evacuated to my DIL's fathers and I spent a terrified day/night with tornado sirens going off since that inland city is tornado prone. Never again My point is there is really no place where you will be completely safe from Mother Nature. I do have a problem with people who don't heed the warnings for hurricane and don't get the hell outta dodge though. Cat 3 headed my way and I am gone. Mandatory evacuation declared and I am gone. It is agreed that you can never be totally safe from the ravages of nature, and you can never be completely prepared for every scenario. However, I don't have to drive 30 minutes before I can see the nuclear power plant, and we have kids- so as far fetched as it may seem today, I'm sure we're not going to regret a couple hundred dollars for KI should something go wrong at the plant. My Great Depression era grandparents had food stores and other goods until the day they died. They lived through the Dust Bowl in Kansas. I guess they just passed along some good old fashioned common sense. We've also chronicled their stories, and have read the stories of others in all sorts of situations. The Jews that escaped Europe in the 1930's and 40's; people who survived coups, revolutions, natural disasters, and other catastrophes. My own experiences as a catastrophe claims adjuster from tornadoes in the Midwest to hurricanes like Isaac, Irene, and Sandy. Sandy in particular was an eye-opener. I saw in NY, and especially out on LI from Breezy Point to the Far Rockaways, people accustomed to an urban lifestyle utterly and completely dependent on stores, on public and mass transit, on electricity-- holed up in houses living on peanut butter and stale bread with no lights, no heat, and no real help for several weeks. Remember- those who stayed did not have their cars. Long Island rail was out-- I think for a month? The power was out for weeks. It was a mess- and I saw it and said: that will NEVER be me and my family. This will NOT be us. So, go ahead and mock me. They mocked Noah. And they all drowned. I'm not mocking you or anyone else. I have ridden out hurricanes and I have gotten the hell out of dodge too. Been without power for 4 weeks, low water pressure, city with no street lights, no service stations able to pump gas, grocery stores closed, etc. but we were prepared. We got thru it and no it wasn't easy. But it taught me a lesson from that one - get the hell outta dodge and that's all I am saying. Apparently the people in NY didn't have a clue as what to do in case of a natural disaster. Maybe someone needs to educate them - or get over the idea that it can't happen to them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 20, 2015 8:33:24 GMT -5
It is agreed that you can never be totally safe from the ravages of nature, and you can never be completely prepared for every scenario. However, I don't have to drive 30 minutes before I can see the nuclear power plant, and we have kids- so as far fetched as it may seem today, I'm sure we're not going to regret a couple hundred dollars for KI should something go wrong at the plant. My Great Depression era grandparents had food stores and other goods until the day they died. They lived through the Dust Bowl in Kansas. I guess they just passed along some good old fashioned common sense. We've also chronicled their stories, and have read the stories of others in all sorts of situations. The Jews that escaped Europe in the 1930's and 40's; people who survived coups, revolutions, natural disasters, and other catastrophes. My own experiences as a catastrophe claims adjuster from tornadoes in the Midwest to hurricanes like Isaac, Irene, and Sandy. Sandy in particular was an eye-opener. I saw in NY, and especially out on LI from Breezy Point to the Far Rockaways, people accustomed to an urban lifestyle utterly and completely dependent on stores, on public and mass transit, on electricity-- holed up in houses living on peanut butter and stale bread with no lights, no heat, and no real help for several weeks. Remember- those who stayed did not have their cars. Long Island rail was out-- I think for a month? The power was out for weeks. It was a mess- and I saw it and said: that will NEVER be me and my family. This will NOT be us. So, go ahead and mock me. They mocked Noah. And they all drowned. I'm not mocking you or anyone else. I have ridden out hurricanes and I have gotten the hell out of dodge too. Been without power for 4 weeks, low water pressure, city with no street lights, no service stations able to pump gas, grocery stores closed, etc. but we were prepared. We got thru it and no it wasn't easy. But it taught me a lesson from that one - get the hell outta dodge and that's all I am saying. Apparently the people in NY didn't have a clue as what to do in case of a natural disaster. Maybe someone needs to educate them - or get over the idea that it can't happen to them. Not you, but the first page of this thread was about mocking Mormons stocking up. Maybe it was against preppers, maybe it was against Mormons, idk.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 20, 2015 20:54:39 GMT -5
I order more seed than I need every year. The 'family' own 200+ mountain acres. It's got a stash of guns/amo/generators... I will jokingly refer to it as our zombie apocolipse compound. But on a serious note human beings scare me some times... The breadth and depth of sheer stupidity to be blunt.. I'm guessing if I ever need to hide that will be the ultimate source. Yeah- and if you think the breadth and depth of their stupidity is frightening now, imagine the breadth and depth of their depravity when their stupidity catches up to them in the proverbial SHTF scenario.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 20, 2015 21:06:50 GMT -5
It is agreed that you can never be totally safe from the ravages of nature, and you can never be completely prepared for every scenario. However, I don't have to drive 30 minutes before I can see the nuclear power plant, and we have kids- so as far fetched as it may seem today, I'm sure we're not going to regret a couple hundred dollars for KI should something go wrong at the plant. My Great Depression era grandparents had food stores and other goods until the day they died. They lived through the Dust Bowl in Kansas. I guess they just passed along some good old fashioned common sense. We've also chronicled their stories, and have read the stories of others in all sorts of situations. The Jews that escaped Europe in the 1930's and 40's; people who survived coups, revolutions, natural disasters, and other catastrophes. My own experiences as a catastrophe claims adjuster from tornadoes in the Midwest to hurricanes like Isaac, Irene, and Sandy. Sandy in particular was an eye-opener. I saw in NY, and especially out on LI from Breezy Point to the Far Rockaways, people accustomed to an urban lifestyle utterly and completely dependent on stores, on public and mass transit, on electricity-- holed up in houses living on peanut butter and stale bread with no lights, no heat, and no real help for several weeks. Remember- those who stayed did not have their cars. Long Island rail was out-- I think for a month? The power was out for weeks. It was a mess- and I saw it and said: that will NEVER be me and my family. This will NOT be us. So, go ahead and mock me. They mocked Noah. And they all drowned. I'm not mocking you or anyone else. I have ridden out hurricanes and I have gotten the hell out of dodge too. Been without power for 4 weeks, low water pressure, city with no street lights, no service stations able to pump gas, grocery stores closed, etc. but we were prepared. We got thru it and no it wasn't easy. But it taught me a lesson from that one - get the hell outta dodge and that's all I am saying. Apparently the people in NY didn't have a clue as what to do in case of a natural disaster. Maybe someone needs to educate them - or get over the idea that it can't happen to them. "Didn't have a clue" is one way of putting it. I think the saddest thing I saw was the at least 50- maybe 100 brand new generators never used because they were kept in basements, crawl spaces, sheds, even the back yard. Not the best place to keep a generator when the storm surge is coming.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Sept 21, 2015 6:52:44 GMT -5
Speaking of having a clue-
With Generators- please remember, do NOT run one in the house!!!
The generator emits carbon monoxide when it is running, which will KILL you if it is run in an enclosed space. While I bet 2,568 people on here know that I bet 3 don't. Every year people die because they do this.....
To safely run a portable generator it should be in an outdoor space, and preferably ten feet or more from doors or windows. You took the words right out of my mouth. And they don't know that portable generators are not made to run a whole friggin house. Want to do that then get a Whole House generator.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 21, 2015 8:20:38 GMT -5
As someone who regularly feeds the bugs and bunnies more food than her family, I also have to mention that just having seeds isn't going to get you food. You have to know how to garden and raise plants as well.
It's not as easy as you may think.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 21, 2015 8:27:56 GMT -5
I do garden. I'd have to be more diligent at starting seedlings in some cases... And I'd want one of those pit greenhouses below the frost line so I could grow in the winter... And I would have to can I guess, which I don't like to do... But could if need be. And the 'compound' has two full size generators, not in the cabin. Everything used to run off of them (and the solar)... There is electricity now, but it could be converted back easily. Except all of the appliances used to be gas... Now they are electric.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 21, 2015 9:39:09 GMT -5
Do people here ever get tired of mocking and ridiculing beliefs you disagree with? I have read 3 articles about this and in none of them do I see a quote from someone saying the world is going to end. Mormons believe they are supposed to be prepared for bad times by storing food and other necessities. There is nothing new to that belief. They have stores set up to help believers do that. I know a lot of posters here skated through the last economic downturn. They did not lose their job and were able to ride through the downturn in stock values, but the truth is that that downturn really hurt a lot of people. It makes sense to worry about another downturn and to prepare as best you can. This is a ugly thing about me, but I hope the next economic troubles we have hurt a lot more of the posters here. Many here are arrogant and mean-spirited to those with different experiences and worries. The mormons are just trying to prepare for possible problems that might arise. They are not killing people who think different. They are not chopping of the heads of those from other religions. They are just buying beans and rice and putting that on a shelf for just in case. Because that's just what some people do here. Get used to it. Also get used to the standard response of "I don't see it as mocking. I see it as more .....blah, blah, blaaaaaaaah." when you point it out.
I stockpile. We have very extreme weather here. You might be housebound for days in the winter and if we get a good storm, you might be without electricity or the roads may be closed due to fallen trees. You have to be prepared around here with things to eat without electricity. You have to have water in some form. You have to be prepared if you can't get to the store for a week. I don't prepare for the end of days. I don't think prepping will do you any good when that comes. But I sure prepare for natural disasters.
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