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Driver Pulled Over For Speeding Tells Deputy: 'No Wonder You People Get Shot!'09/14/2015 A Florida woman who was pulled over for speeding told the traffic cop: “No wonder you people get shot.” Footage of the startling encounter was posted online by the Palm Beach County sheriff’s office. The woman was pulled over on September 1 for traveling 51mph in a 20mph school zone, the sheriff’s office said. ... More here: WEBPAGE LINK - Yahoo! News*I found the full video of the stop... here it is!
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2015 20:42:56 GMT -5
They cut it out of the short version... but the full version shows why she was pissed at him. She couldn't talk her way out of the ticket. She tried to flirt her way into a "warning"... didn't work.
This woman is a real "piece of work"... and "props" to the cop for keeping his cool when dealing with her!
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 14, 2015 22:54:54 GMT -5
Bless her heart.
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 15, 2015 1:01:46 GMT -5
She's 62 years old and she hasn't learned how to behave yet? Bless her heart is putting it mildly!
Gotta agree, the officer was great. He was polite and respectful throughout. The driver's license re-exam was an act of genius! Kudos!
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 15, 2015 19:11:57 GMT -5
As a former teacher, it infuriates me when people speed through school zones. You want to speed? Fine I have a lead foot too but I don't speed where there are schools-ever I think, like drunks, they should be immediately hauled off to jail.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 17:26:05 GMT -5
She was rude, she was indignant, she even made what could be construed as a threat- and yet, the police officer was the consummate professional. He was polite, and matter of fact- just did his job collecting revenue for the state from a randomly selected "offender". No dragging out of the car. No screaming, yelling, cursing, tazing, shooting, and no suicide in her cell later. Good work.
I would never justify this woman's behavior or her statement-- but it does provide us all something to consider: would it perhaps be better if police were focused on helping citizens, and addressing true threats to life, liberty, and property instead of 99% of interactions with police consisting of something which basically amounts to hassling people and costing them money?
And puh-leeze save it on the "if you don't want a ticket, just obey the speed limit". Nobody seriously cares about the speed limit.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 16, 2015 17:31:43 GMT -5
I do-especially in a school zone. I speed. I'm bound to get busted sooner or later. But I never ever speed in school zones. That's totally uncalled for.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 16, 2015 17:43:07 GMT -5
As a former teacher, it infuriates me when people speed through school zones. You want to speed? Fine I have a lead foot too but I don't speed where there are schools-ever I think, like drunks, they should be immediately hauled off to jail. "School Zones" are out of control down here in Florida. We have gone from "on school days when children are present" to ridiculously slow speeds-- like 15 or 20. Watch the beginning of the video- that is unreasonably slow for those cars to be driving. And they police school zones, there are increased fines in school zones-- and do you know what happens the minute people get done idling for a mile on a major road? They gun it. To add to the fun, you have brain dead crossing guards every 5 feet who do not pay attention, or have any rhyme or reason for what they're doing. Once again- the big picture, the fact that the government run schools are turning out no-nothing zombies- is ignored. The foolishness of building schools in major commercial zones, on major thoroughfares instead of in neighborhoods on residential streets where the kids actually live-- ignored. Now, that being said- she deserved the ticket, because as ridiculous as these school zones are, you CANNOT MISS THEM if you are PAYING ATTENTION while you're driving. She clearly was not- in fact, I'm not sure she realized there was a police car with lights and sirens behind her because she was that out to lunch-- and that, more than her speed, was reason enough for her to get a ticket. Typical Florida driver, though.
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She was rude, she was indignant, she even made what could be construed as a threat- and yet, the police officer was the consummate professional. He was polite, and matter of fact- just did his job collecting revenue for the state from a randomly selected "offender". No dragging out of the car. No screaming, yelling, cursing, tazing, shooting, and no suicide in her cell later. Good work. I would never justify this woman's behavior or her statement-- but it does provide us all something to consider: would it perhaps be better if police were focused on helping citizens, and addressing true threats to life, liberty, and property instead of 99% of interactions with police consisting of something which basically amounts to hassling people and costing them money? And puh-leeze save it on the "if you don't want a ticket, just obey the speed limit". Nobody seriously cares about the speed limit. Going 51 through a school zone qualifies as a "true threat to life" to me. Sorry it doesn't qualify to you, Paul.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 16, 2015 19:19:37 GMT -5
If you actually are in the crosswalk 15 seems very fast.
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Post by chiver78 on Sept 16, 2015 19:24:25 GMT -5
As a former teacher, it infuriates me when people speed through school zones. You want to speed? Fine I have a lead foot too but I don't speed where there are schools-ever I think, like drunks, they should be immediately hauled off to jail. "School Zones" are out of control down here in Florida. We have gone from "on school days when children are present" to ridiculously slow speeds-- like 15 or 20. Watch the beginning of the video- that is unreasonably slow for those cars to be driving. And they police school zones, there are increased fines in school zones-- and do you know what happens the minute people get done idling for a mile on a major road? They gun it. To add to the fun, you have brain dead crossing guards every 5 feet who do not pay attention, or have any rhyme or reason for what they're doing. Once again- the big picture, the fact that the government run schools are turning out no-nothing zombies- is ignored. The foolishness of building schools in major commercial zones, on major thoroughfares instead of in neighborhoods on residential streets where the kids actually live-- ignored. Now, that being said- she deserved the ticket, because as ridiculous as these school zones are, you CANNOT MISS THEM if you are PAYING ATTENTION while you're driving. She clearly was not- in fact, I'm not sure she realized there was a police car with lights and sirens behind her because she was that out to lunch-- and that, more than her speed, was reason enough for her to get a ticket. Typical Florida driver, though. so, work to change the law.
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Post by busymom on Sept 16, 2015 21:54:26 GMT -5
Um, those speed zones around schools are REALLY important. There is no stoplight by DH's former high school, and EVERY YEAR some kid gets hit crossing by that school. If people followed the speed limit & actually paid attention, I'm betting fewer kids would be getting hurt.
Of course, to some people it just doesn't matter. Unless it's their own kid...
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Post by Peace Of Mind on Sept 16, 2015 22:44:44 GMT -5
That lady person is a stupid bitch and it's a shame that she couldn't be trusted around kids because she needs to do crosswalk duty for a few weeks to see why what she did was so bad. But I suspect she's too narcissistic and stupid to handle the job. The police officer was the perfect professional handling her. Too bad.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 17, 2015 0:21:59 GMT -5
I don't understand the need to be a jerk when dealing with a cop in a situation like this. I speed like a demon, sometimes through school zones , and have gotten a few tickets for speeding. I wasn't happy about the tickets bt no reason to be a jerk to the cop who is merely enforcing the law. If i have a problem with it, I should work to change the law. If anything, I should be mad at myself for being A. Speeding and B. Being unaware enough to get caught. Either way, it's my problem, not the cop's problem.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 7:31:37 GMT -5
She was rude, she was indignant, she even made what could be construed as a threat- and yet, the police officer was the consummate professional. He was polite, and matter of fact- just did his job collecting revenue for the state from a randomly selected "offender". No dragging out of the car. No screaming, yelling, cursing, tazing, shooting, and no suicide in her cell later. Good work. I would never justify this woman's behavior or her statement-- but it does provide us all something to consider: would it perhaps be better if police were focused on helping citizens, and addressing true threats to life, liberty, and property instead of 99% of interactions with police consisting of something which basically amounts to hassling people and costing them money? And puh-leeze save it on the "if you don't want a ticket, just obey the speed limit". Nobody seriously cares about the speed limit. Going 51 through a school zone qualifies as a "true threat to life" to me. Sorry it doesn't qualify to you, Paul. Probably not in and of itself. It's probably 45 mph on that street normally, so say- 6 mph over the normal posted limit. Do kids not cross that street except during school hours? Is that street a hazard for the entire summer? The issue for me just watching is her complete lack of focus on her driving. She was way out to lunch- it looks to me like she didn't even know she was being followed by a police car with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And while I would NEVER under any circumstances even try to justify her behavior, her rude remarks are a red flag for a problem I've brought up here before: the vast majority of productive members of society who are not criminals, but who have interactions with the police are either being hassled and fined as a result of an arbitrary selection process to meet the revenue goals of a community or state; or discovering that when they need help the police actually do precious little. Ever been robbed? Do you think the police are hard at work on your case? Fuck no. They're assigned to the "aggressive driving unit".
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 7:40:48 GMT -5
I don't understand the need to be a jerk when dealing with a cop in a situation like this. I speed like a demon, sometimes through school zones , and have gotten a few tickets for speeding. I wasn't happy about the tickets bt no reason to be a jerk to the cop who is merely enforcing the law. If i have a problem with it, I should work to change the law. If anything, I should be mad at myself for being A. Speeding and B. Being unaware enough to get caught. Either way, it's my problem, not the cop's problem. There's never a justification to say anything like that to anyone. There are a lot of rude and nasty people out there. I'd be upset I got caught, but then that's why I drive a rolling electronic warfare suite-- sometimes it helps to have a little heads up. My GPS has live traffic updates and it bing bongs when I approach a school zone, construction zone, and even an accident scene. It also offers alternates during traffic snags.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 17, 2015 7:54:31 GMT -5
Um, those speed zones around schools are REALLY important. There is no stoplight by DH's former high school, and EVERY YEAR some kid gets hit crossing by that school. If people followed the speed limit & actually paid attention, I'm betting fewer kids would be getting hurt.
Of course, to some people it just doesn't matter. Unless it's their own kid... This actually might have been caused by an unreasonable school zone speed limit. When you condition kids to expect cars traveling at 15 mph, that occasional fast moving vehicle can surprise them. If all traffic was moving at the normal speed limit, and there was that "whoosh" as cars were going by- they wouldn't miss it. A tunnel or a bridge would be more effective than a light. Lord knows your school district has a big enough budget and wastes enough money- they all do-- it's literal insanity what we spend on education. The real problem is that schools are no longer built in residential neighborhoods. They've zoned them out and now they sit on major roads where NO school should EVER be built. Here- here's a layout of the area I grew up in-- look it up for yourself. My first school was Forrest Road Elementary in LaGrange Park, IL-- Google Earth: 901 Forest Rd, La Grange Park, IL 60526; My second school when we moved was Congress Park Elementary School in Brookfield, IL-- 9311 Shields Ave, Brookfield, IL 60513. Some kids went to Cossitt Avenue School, La Grange, IL 60525; and others. Schools used to be shielded from high traffic areas- set back and away, or nestled in the community. Hell, even the famous Columbine High School: 6201 S Pierce St, Littleton, CO 80123 isn't smack in the middle of heavy traffic. The area we're in now is extremely well designed- it's actually designed so you can get just about anywhere on a golf cart (or run, walk, and bike) and there are tunnels and bridges under and over major roads. Looking at where this stop took place, and knowing the lay of the land down here in Florida-- they've
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 17, 2015 8:33:11 GMT -5
I avoid schools like the plague now that I can. Kids do come around after hours to meet and play on the equipment. It's kind of like when a ball rolls into the street, there's bound to be a kid after it. It seems to be some kind of real life LAW.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 17, 2015 8:34:27 GMT -5
Btw, this may not be the same for all areas but in Mt. Dora the police gets $2 for every ticket they write. Not a huge moneymaker. Consequently, they only write tickets for flagrant speeding or if you're a jerk.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 8:35:14 GMT -5
I wonder if the school zone speed limits in Florida are lower than other places because there have been more accidents.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 17, 2015 8:46:15 GMT -5
Could be. There's certainly a lot of idiot drivers. Even here we had a 92 year old woman with no license to drive run over a motorcyclist and kept on going. She was stopped by a witness who RAN after her car and made her stop. She thought she hit a curb or a speed bump. The fact that a runner could catch her also gives credence that she shouldn't have been behind the wheel of a car.
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Post by Opti on Sept 17, 2015 9:00:04 GMT -5
for the motorcyclist.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 17, 2015 9:09:50 GMT -5
I know. Thank God he's still alive. He's hurt pretty bad but he's alive.
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Going 51 through a school zone qualifies as a "true threat to life" to me. Sorry it doesn't qualify to you, Paul. Probably not in and of itself. It's probably 45 mph on that street normally, so say- 6 mph over the normal posted limit. Do kids not cross that street except during school hours? Is that street a hazard for the entire summer? The issue for me just watching is her complete lack of focus on her driving. She was way out to lunch- it looks to me like she didn't even know she was being followed by a police car with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And while I would NEVER under any circumstances even try to justify her behavior, her rude remarks are a red flag for a problem I've brought up here before: the vast majority of productive members of society who are not criminals, but who have interactions with the police are either being hassled and fined as a result of an arbitrary selection process to meet the revenue goals of a community or state; or discovering that when they need help the police actually do precious little. Ever been robbed? Do you think the police are hard at work on your case? Fuck no. They're assigned to the "aggressive driving unit". In general I do agree that police departments spend too much time on "speed traps"... however, some places they are a reasonable idea. School zones (when special "School Zone speed limits" are in effect) is one of those places. Construction areas is the other. Getting a ticket for breaking the law is not "getting hassled". Don't wanna get a ticket? Don't break the law that will get you that ticket. Seems a pretty simple way to avoid "getting hassled". I haven't gotten any speeding tickets recently (last one was 12-ish years ago?), but when I got it, I took it with grace and courtesy. I did the crime, I paid the fine (I did go to court, admit my guilt and plead for a reduction, which was granted).
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:30:54 GMT -5
If you actually are in the crosswalk 15 seems very fast. Yeah, that's why you "look both ways before crossing the street". What age does that start? 2?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:41:31 GMT -5
I can't believe you haven't figured out that the school zone / construction zone thing is a racket.
Yeah- just surrender your business and stitch on that Star of David like you're supposed to. Just because it's the law doesn't mean it's just, doesn't mean it's not a total joke, doesn't mean you just roll over and say nothing about it, and it doesn't mean you don't ultimately, through widespread civil disobedience simply nullify it. Remember when we had a "national speed limit" of 55 mph on interstate highways designed for 70 mph at a time before cars had radial tires, power steering, power brakes, safety glass, anti-lock brakes, air bags, independent suspension, etc? Originally introduce to "save fuel", later the cry was "55 saves lives". There never was any evidence of that, and since the vast majority of states have raised the speed limit-- including just this year, IL, to at least 70 mph, productivity is UP, and traffic fatalities are down- on average 15,000 per year. So, there were obviously other measures that were far more effective on the safety front than driving slow.
Again, I think this is fundamentally a zoning and design problem. The clearest solution to the problem is to avoid busy streets to begin with. And that begins primarily with making sure schools are in residential areas with residential roads and speed limits. Of course, that's even before you rewind and address the real root of the problem: schools don't actually even have to exist. It's an old model, it's largely ineffective, and for a variety of reasons from personal security issues, to traffic, and the expense of building and maintaining large, inefficient buildings to house children-- it would be far better to decentralize schooling, shift most subjects to online, and shift to the use of small, specialized facilities for activities like music, sports, and science. The best way to make that happen is to simply de-fund all government run schools, give the money directly to the parents and let them decide how best to educate their kids. If the big, bloated, government run system can compete- it shall live. If not...
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:42:48 GMT -5
I know. Thank God he's still alive. He's hurt pretty bad but he's alive. We just had a motorcyclist killed here on I-95. Hit the back of a truck. Guess we need to get the word out: check twice for trucks right in front of your face.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Sept 18, 2015 10:46:09 GMT -5
Going 51 through a school zone qualifies as a "true threat to life" to me. Sorry it doesn't qualify to you, Paul. Probably not in and of itself. It's probably 45 mph on that street normally, so say- 6 mph over the normal posted limit. Do kids not cross that street except during school hours? Is that street a hazard for the entire summer? The issue for me just watching is her complete lack of focus on her driving. She was way out to lunch- it looks to me like she didn't even know she was being followed by a police car with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And while I would NEVER under any circumstances even try to justify her behavior, her rude remarks are a red flag for a problem I've brought up here before: the vast majority of productive members of society who are not criminals, but who have interactions with the police are either being hassled and fined as a result of an arbitrary selection process to meet the revenue goals of a community or state; or discovering that when they need help the police actually do precious little. Ever been robbed? Do you think the police are hard at work on your case? Fuck no. They're assigned to the "aggressive driving unit". I totally get that you don't like the fact that anybody gets to tell you what to do. I don't either. The fact is that we have laws and we either abide by them or we get consequenced. Did you ever consider that the SMALL number of police who are rude and obnoxious are that way because of people like this woman and people like you who think ALL laws are stupid and they should pick and choose which ones the enforce, etc.
Let me ask you. Let's say we do away with fines. Replace fines with...let's say....community service. Would that make you more sympathetic to the very difficult job performed by those law enforcement officers? You feel that fines are haphazardly assessed to fill coffers. Ok. Let's say you are right. What is your alternative? I've suggested community service. What is your suggestion?
Or would you rather there be no laws and people run around doing whatever they want? No laws and no consequences. I think we've tried that in the past without much success.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 10:52:01 GMT -5
Btw, this may not be the same for all areas but in Mt. Dora the police gets $2 for every ticket they write. Not a huge moneymaker. Consequently, they only write tickets for flagrant speeding or if you're a jerk. I can't speak to Mt. Dora, but, and I know this will shock people, in general the objections from governments that they "do not make any money" on speeding tickets is a lie. And it goes to how you determine how much they make. $2 might be left for the treasury, but how many government jobs- including police, administrators, and even traffic court judges are dependent upon a quota of revenue from traffic citations. All you have to do is ask yourself the obvious question: without the whole traffic citation infrastructure, what would a local government, county government, or state government look like? Cut the revenue in half, and it would become obvious pretty darn fast that you couldn't justify the number of police officers. Look, as a real estate investor, we are always thinking "highest and best use". As an entrepreneur, I'm always looking to invest my time and money into things that provide the best return. Every time a taxpayer gets a ticket, or receives a ticket, they should ask themselves: is this really the best bang for the buck my community could get from this full time, well equipped, and armed police officer? For the most part there is ZERO community benefit from traffic citations- least of all speeding. Other than in residential zones- where you never see a police officer (we've had a rash of break-ins by illegal immigrant gang members from up in Titusville and I haven't seen a patrol car yet- but they watch that damn school zone out over by the school and the courthouse-- where there is a TUNNEL going under the road)- there's almost no benefit to the community from traffic citations.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Sept 18, 2015 11:22:17 GMT -5
Probably not in and of itself. It's probably 45 mph on that street normally, so say- 6 mph over the normal posted limit. Do kids not cross that street except during school hours? Is that street a hazard for the entire summer? The issue for me just watching is her complete lack of focus on her driving. She was way out to lunch- it looks to me like she didn't even know she was being followed by a police car with lights flashing and sirens blaring. And while I would NEVER under any circumstances even try to justify her behavior, her rude remarks are a red flag for a problem I've brought up here before: the vast majority of productive members of society who are not criminals, but who have interactions with the police are either being hassled and fined as a result of an arbitrary selection process to meet the revenue goals of a community or state; or discovering that when they need help the police actually do precious little. Ever been robbed? Do you think the police are hard at work on your case? Fuck no. They're assigned to the "aggressive driving unit". I totally get that you don't like the fact that anybody gets to tell you what to do. I don't either. The fact is that we have laws and we either abide by them or we get consequenced. Did you ever consider that the SMALL number of police who are rude and obnoxious are that way because of people like this woman and people like you who think ALL laws are stupid and they should pick and choose which ones the enforce, etc.
Let me ask you. Let's say we do away with fines. Replace fines with...let's say....community service. Would that make you more sympathetic to the very difficult job performed by those law enforcement officers? You feel that fines are haphazardly assessed to fill coffers. Ok. Let's say you are right. What is your alternative? I've suggested community service. What is your suggestion?
Or would you rather there be no laws and people run around doing whatever they want? No laws and no consequences. I think we've tried that in the past without much success.
You're missing my point. I think it would assist you greatly to understand the legitimate role of government: to protect the unalienable rights of the citizens- especially life, liberty, and property; and to otherwise leave people alone. You can tell how much people care about safety by what they actually do. This "preventative" nonsense is, well, nonsense. It does nothing. The problem is clear: when people actually get into an accident here- it's an accident, and very little actually happens as a consequence. My approach to driving is like my approach to everything-- unless there's a problem, leave people alone. When there is a problem, determine FAULT ( the whole notion of "no fault" which is the most dangerous threat to people on the roads), and deal with the problem in such a way that the message is clear: don't cause problems. They issue speeding tickets, but do you know that if you are speeding and you kill someone it is an "accident" and you will likely not see any jail time. In fact, it's rare that you face anything other than some fines-- you probably will not lose your license, and even if you do, it'll be temporary. I would change the whole approach. If you kill a pedestrian with your car, it is automatically your fault. Make it a misdemeanor with a minimum fine of $10,000 AND 1 year in jail. Additionally, your license is suspended for 5 years AFTER you are released from jail, and you are on probation for 10 years vis a vis your license after that. In that time if you cause an accident and it is 51% or more your fault, then you go to jail for the whatever time you've got left on your probation, and you needn't worry about driving a car the rest of your natural life. See, we don't do that because we don't really care. We'll never actually nail dangerous drivers, we just hassle people and issue fines and keep the system going, and going, and going. In the meantime, it's the deadliest and most risky thing people do, and until there are some serious consequences for causing harm while driving a vehicle, it always will be.
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