I am so glad I got the memo

[whoisjohngalt]

 ....on how much I should be tipping everyone. 

www.businessinsider.com/what-you-should-tip-in-every-situation-2014-4?utm_medium=social&utm_campaign=postplanner&utm_source=facebook.com

While most of us may try and tip 20% of our meal so as not to seem cheap, keep in mind that you should never tip under 15% in a restaurant or bar.

Really  Am I going to be thrown in a bad-tippers jail?

[Deleted]

While most of us may try and tip 20% of our meal so as not to seem cheap, keep in mind that you should never tip under 15% in a restaurant or bar.

If the service sucks, why not?

[whoisjohngalt]

I wish I didn't tip the hairdresser who did my last haircut.  I didn't realize what a crappy job she did until I got home and my husband asked me what was wrong with my hair.

And there is now way I am tipping anyone if I am picking up a take out from a restaurant.

[movingforward]

Sept 3, 2015 11:53:54 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

The argument used to be that you had to tip because they made alternative minimum wage which was like $2.50 an hour. In California they changed that law several years ago. Servers here get the same minimum wage they would get in any other job, which is currently $9 an hour state wide, which some cities having higher minimum wage. It goes to $10 an hour in 2016. Honestly, I think that's already enough for writing down an order, carrying it to the table when it's done, and keeping glasses full. I'm half tempted to stop tipping entirely.

If that is the case then people should stop tipping in CA.  I know in Europe the wait staff gets paid a decent wage and they don't expect tips.  I have only been to Italy and Ireland but the service was excellent in both places.  I don't know what the wait staff makes in those countries but I have often wished the US would follow this model. 

[zibazinski]

There are a few states like this. Oregon is another. My aunt and uncle leave a few bucks.

[movingforward]

Sept 3, 2015 12:22:42 GMT -5 whoisjohngalt said:

I wish I didn't tip the hairdresser who did my last haircut.  I didn't realize what a crappy job she did until I got home and my husband asked me what was wrong with my hair.

And there is now way I am tipping anyone if I am picking up a take out from a restaurant.

Amen!  Sorry, I am not tipping you for putting my food in a box or a bag and handing it to me. 

If I have food delivered, which doesn't happen very often, then I tip well.  I typically only have food delivered when the weather is really crappy and there is just nothing at home I want to eat.  If somebody is delivering food to me in the pouring rain then they will get a tip.  When it is my ass getting in the car and driving to the place to pick food up - nope, not happening.  

[mroped]

Ie: 
a waiter has 5 tables. At peak all 5 are full for a 4 hours period.
Turnover rate is one per hour so that makes it 20 different bills.
on average if the bill is $75 that means $1500 total
15% of that is $225 to be shared with potentially 3 other people- busboy, cook, help.
That makes it $51 and change each. Means a bit over $10/hr I tip alone. Plus wages $9/hr means $19/ hr. No worries to take home, no responsabilities either. Just do your job and you make $19/ hr. 
I think that is way above what most people make.
And no school loans for that waiting training either so I don't believe they have it that bad.

Moreover, many of them don't deserve that 15% yet people feel obligated because of this common unwritten rule. Why?

I'm not against tipping, I do it always but a few times just to make a point I left $1 on the table because the service sucked so bad that I was feeling like taking that tray away and do it myself.

[Ombud]

I now just dbl tax. Varies around 19%. I don't tip on tax. Or on bar tab (in a lg group I insist that the bar tab is broken out as I don't drink when out)

[Gardening Grandma]

One of the things I really liked about Europe was knowing that the waitstaff was well paid and thete was no need to tip..... It sure made things simple.

[Shooby]

Nope, not tipping for take out. ANd, I don't say in fussy hotels. Can't stand them. I will park my own car and carry in my own bags, thanks.

[gooddecisions]

I've worked as a waitress, hostess, bus/dish girl, front line and back line cook at a few different casual dining restaurants. None of the tip were shared. If I was in the back, the hourly wage is what I got paid, if I worked as a waitress my tips were mine.

it is not the customer's job to know how tipping works for the restaurant. I tip the server and don't concern myself with what happens to it and whether I should be tipping more in case it is split.

[garion2003]

Tipping threads are always fun.

I have a friend who works at a chain place, Applebee's I think - or something like that. He's a nice guy, about 40, very creative, working on his BA. His wife works at a college, they have 2 young children. They are trying to make ends meet.

I am amazed at the number of times he mentions a party of 6, with a check over $100, leaves nothing for a tip. Knowing my friend, he is a good server. I don't think that's the issue. I think people just feel like they don't have to tip.

[garion2003]

Sept 4, 2015 10:51:08 GMT -5 Sum Dum Gai said:

Sept 4, 2015 7:58:01 GMT -5 garion2003 said:

Tipping threads are always fun.

I have a friend who works at a chain place, Applebee's I think - or something like that. He's a nice guy, about 40, very creative, working on his BA. His wife works at a college, they have 2 young children. They are trying to make ends meet.

I am amazed at the number of times he mentions a party of 6, with a check over $100, leaves nothing for a tip. Knowing my friend, he is a good server. I don't think that's the issue. I think people just feel like they don't have to tip.

A lot of places add an automatic gratuity of 15-18% on parties of 6 or more. I don't tip beyond that. The server is already getting a tip.

This is true, and I do the same.

I should have been more clear in my post, it wasn't just parties of 6 that stiff him - it just seems that often it's a very intense group that requires a lot of effort..and leaves no tip.

[movingforward]

I never waited tables.  I just remember a lot of friends in college never wanting to work Sundays because they said the tips sucked.  There was one particular family that frequently ate on Sundays where my college roommate worked.  They had 3 small kids that would create a huge mess and the only tip they left on the table were religious pamphlets.  One Sunday they were especially generous and left her a pocket size bible with a note saying they were sorry she was forced to work on Sundays and unable to attend church . 

[cktc]

Sept 4, 2015 6:33:56 GMT -5 gooddecisions said:

I've worked as a waitress, hostess, bus/dish girl, front line and back line cook at a few different casual dining restaurants. None of the tip were shared. If I was in the back, the hourly wage is what I got paid, if I worked as a waitress my tips were mine.

it is not the customer's job to know how tipping works for the restaurant. I tip the server and don't concern myself with what happens to it and whether I should be tipping more in case it is split.

I agree that this isn't something customers should have to worry about. I know higher end restaurants usually split tips, but then the servers generally get larger tips and probably won't last very long if they aren't great at what they do. If someone stiffs the server because they just don't think like to tip, they probably don't care if they are stiffing everyone down the line either.

[zibazinski]

Sept 4, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5 movingforward said:

I never waited tables.  I just remember a lot of friends in college never wanting to work Sundays because they said the tips sucked.  There was one particular family that frequently ate on Sundays where my college roommate worked.  They had 3 small kids that would create a huge mess and the only tip they left on the table were religious pamphlets.  One Sunday they were especially generous and left her a pocket size bible with a note saying they were sorry she was forced to work on Sundays and unable to attend church . 

The owner of the restaurant should have handled this.

[alabamagal]

Last summer DS worked in a Japanese restuarant the kind where they cook at the table. The owner treated the staff terrible and they had high turnover. He was responsible for taking orders and filling drinks and anything else not cooked by the chef.

He got paid $2 an hour. He then only got the portion of the tip over 10%. If someone tipped less than that then he had to pay the chefs tip portion out of his tips for the night. He would sometimes bring home less than $20 a night in tips. His $2 per hour was paid by check. I told him to make sure he was getting minimum wage because that was the law not sure if he did or not.

This past summer he delivered pizza and did much better. He got $4 per hour plus $2 per delivery plus all his tips. On good nights he was getting $15 per hour but had to pay gas. He was much happier.

[tcu2003]

Sept 4, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5 movingforward said:

I never waited tables.  I just remember a lot of friends in college never wanting to work Sundays because they said the tips sucked.  There was one particular family that frequently ate on Sundays where my college roommate worked.  They had 3 small kids that would create a huge mess and the only tip they left on the table were religious pamphlets.  One Sunday they were especially generous and left her a pocket size bible with a note saying they were sorry she was forced to work on Sundays and unable to attend church . 

Ugh, so true from stories my friends who waited tables have told. This would apparently describe my cousin to a "T". She was in town a couple of weeks ago, so my 3-year old and I met her for dinner. When it was time to pay (they had an electronic thing at the table if you were paying by card), she immediately started lowering the suggested tip amount (I think it was automatically 15 or 18%), and said "not that I don't think the waitress was good, but if I don't give more than 10% at church, I'm not giving more than 10% to a waitress, so I start with 10% and go down from there."

I was speechless and had no comeback (I'm still mad at myself for not having a retort back even if it wouldn't have changed her mind). And yes, I made sure to tip extra well.

[Deleted]

This is one of the reasons we have severely pared down the list of acquaintances we dine with.  If you can't afford or don't want to tip 20% at a high-end restaurant, just say so, damn it! and probably we can all agree to find something more accessible and more affordable.  But don't cheap out when it's time to tip the server who provided excellent service throughout the evening despite your idiotic and crude behavior.  Announcing that you are only leaving X amount because you don't know if the fish was sustainably harvested is BS!  If you are so concerned about the sourcing of your dinner, research the restaurant in advance and interview the manager when our group arrives. If you don't like the fish sourcing, try the bison but don't screw the server.  I am so tired of social posturing when the real issue is just being cheap.  OK, mini-rant over.

[TheOtherMe]

When I used to go out and eat with my parents and mom's sisters, I would be so embarrassed by the tip they left, that I would hang back and leave a much larger tip.  I left theirs where they had left them, but it usually wasn't any more than $1 for each couple, not matter the bill.  I made sure it was at least 15% in the rural midwestern town restaurant for lunch that averaged $6 or $7 each. 

[mojothehelpermonkey]

Sept 4, 2015 12:21:50 GMT -5 movingforward said:

I never waited tables.  I just remember a lot of friends in college never wanting to work Sundays because they said the tips sucked.  There was one particular family that frequently ate on Sundays where my college roommate worked.  They had 3 small kids that would create a huge mess and the only tip they left on the table were religious pamphlets.  One Sunday they were especially generous and left her a pocket size bible with a note saying they were sorry she was forced to work on Sundays and unable to attend church . 

Sunday brunch was always the worst shift when I used to waitress. Once instead of a tip, a customer left a polite note saying that the service was excellent, but she simply could not afford to tip. She had her messy daughter sign the note too.

[zibazinski]

You can't afford to tip? You can't afford to eat out. Govern yourself accordingly.