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Post by swamp on Sept 1, 2015 11:21:40 GMT -5
never mind the fun car, the kids went to the dentist yesterday.
DD is already undergoing orthodontic work. Now DS needs a referral. Two in braces at once.
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Post by andi9899 on Sept 1, 2015 11:26:35 GMT -5
That sucks. Sorry. I know you wanted a shiny new car. Damn kids!
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Post by The Captain on Sept 1, 2015 11:28:11 GMT -5
Yep. DD started her treatment this year (about the cost of the used BMW I was looking at ) Found out DH (who has never had a cavity in his life) has a cracked tooth and needs a crown. I need three crowns replaced. MSA is blown to hell and back this year. I feel for you.
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Post by zibazinski on Sept 1, 2015 11:34:36 GMT -5
Damn money pits!
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Post by GRG a/k/a goldenrulegirl on Sept 1, 2015 11:43:46 GMT -5
MidJD has some extra FSA money she needs to spend.
You're both lawyers. You can figure the details -- adoption/conservatorship/guardianship-- out.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Sept 1, 2015 12:04:27 GMT -5
You know what I'm going to say, right? Right? :-) Tell hubsy no more new truck next year!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Sept 1, 2015 15:55:13 GMT -5
You know what I'm going to say, right? Right ? :-) Tell hubsy no more new truck next year!Tell hubsy to sell the truck, drive a beater, then sell his body to make a little extra bank. Unless of course, people would pay him not to hawk his butt on a street corner. Then just sell the truck.
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Post by debthaven on Sept 1, 2015 16:39:20 GMT -5
I have never had 2 in braces at the same time, but I have had 2 in orthodontic treatment at the same time. The older one was generally in a (post-braces night) retainer when the younger sibling started braces.
And this for ... (drum roll) 4 kids and 17 years!
We just found out on Fri that DS3 has room for his wisdom teeth, so he doesn't need them pulled (which is a HUGE relief. I am HORRIBLY paranoid about having my kids' wisdom teeth pulled, because there ARE accidents, although they are rare). DS3 has 6-12 months left with his post-braces retainer.
FWIW, I've been with our orthodontist for about 20 years. She hugs and kisses me hello, as does her staff LOL. She always asks me to come into the treatment room to chat. Last Friday she was complaining (jokingly) that she was being shadowed by her son's best friend (both her son and his BF are currently in dental school) because her son absolutely refuses to shadow her, because he HATES the idea of dealing with kids LOL. She was heartbroken at the fact that her son wants to go into general dentistry rather than orthodontics. She told me years ago that she couldn't wait for her son to become qualified so he could take over her regular practice and she could work on seniors and accident victims instead of kids/teens.
So although she was very good-natured about it, I know this is hard for her. She told me a few months ago, next time you come in, you'll see my son here too!
(My DD and her DS1 (the one in dental school) were together in nursery / primary / MS, plus we are neighbors, so we go back a long way.)
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Post by jelloshots4all on Sept 1, 2015 17:45:54 GMT -5
I've had 2 in braces for the last year, and the youngest had oral surgery this year. When they both get out of braces, I can divert my monthly payment to a sports car lease it appears!! They will have sparkly "grills" and momma can get a new set of wheels
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 1, 2015 18:47:55 GMT -5
I have never had 2 in braces at the same time, but I have had 2 in orthodontic treatment at the same time. The older one was generally in a (post-braces night) retainer when the younger sibling started braces. And this for ... (drum roll) 4 kids and 17 years! We just found out on Fri that DS3 has room for his wisdom teeth, so he doesn't need them pulled (which is a HUGE relief. I am HORRIBLY paranoid about having my kids' wisdom teeth pulled, because there ARE accidents, although they are rare). DS3 has 6-12 months left with his post-braces retainer. Be careful with this! I say that because I supposedly had the same thing (I went through 10 years of orthodontics... 4 years of head gear, 4 years of braces, and 2 years of post-brace retainer). My wisdom teeth were never pulled and they ended up pushing my straight teeth into each other. My bottom front teeth are crooked and on top of each other, much like the baby ones were back in the 1980s (that prompted the whole trip into orthodontia). I had even had 2 adult bicuspids pulled before braces, to make room for everything. So after 10 years of orthodontia, I had about 3 years of straight teeth (Post-brace, pre-wisdom teeth). Now, I am back to where I started (minus the overbite). You can't see it when I smile so I just leave well enough alone but it is kind of irritating. I can't eat apples whole (They get stuck between the teeth) Have they talked about possibly installing a permanent bottom retainer? Or at least one that will stay until the wisdom teeth come in and settle down? Would hate to see all the hard work undone by the unruly wisdom teeth... FWIW, I am glad I have the wisdom teeth... in my opinion, it is better to have teeth than not... I know people who are missing teeth and it doesn't look so hot. Anything extra I can get, it's good. I'm just a little irked that the orthodontist didn't explain what would happen and let me know to either keep wearing the retainer or do something else..
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Post by debthaven on Sept 1, 2015 19:02:21 GMT -5
Audrey, ouch!!!
3 of the DS3's widsom teeth are all the way in, one is halfway in but per the xray there is room.
Insurance pays for 1 panoramic Xray per year but we agreed that we would have one done every 6 months even if insurance doesn't cover the second one.
DS3 has health issues that complicate things. The ortho knows about them. She knows I would have done what's necessary but I would have done it either at the hospital or at my dentist's practice because their stomatologist has reanimation (not the right work in Eng) equipment. Not sure what it is in English. Basically, dental ICU equipment.
I trust the ortho. She has done my 3 older kids and has had DS1 and DS2 come in for extra check-ups and / or xrays through college (not DD because her wisdom teeth were all pulled). She makes her patients sign an agreement with her when they start. She finally kicked DS2 out after replacing his retainer 3 X free of charge but she still checked him out through the first 2 years of college.
I had my wisdom teeth pulled last year and it absolutely SUCKED! And my dentist is a friend.
ETA: No permanent retainer but DS3 has a sort of invisaline thing on his front top and bottom teeth. It's not invisaline but it's something similar, a metal string, behind his front top and bottom teeth. She tried it hoping he would get used to it, he has, so she said it's better to keep it as long as possible.
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Post by Mardi Gras Audrey on Sept 1, 2015 19:10:15 GMT -5
Debt, it wasn't pleasant. It sounds like your DS's teeth are almost all in and he's still with the retainer? I hope it all turns out well for him. I think part of my issue was that the wisdom teeth came in after the retainer was done and my orthodontist was about 80 miles away so I was sick of going at that point. Add to the fact that the coordination between my dentist and orthodontist was pretty much nil + neither doc wanted to make a decision about if the wisdom teeth needed out (Both kept pointing at the other) so no one made the decision. I know I wasn't the best patient and should have pushed it. I was 18 and so sick of having work done on my mouth and ortho/dental appts that I just didn't care anymore. I just wanted to be left alone to hang out with my friends and do nothing so I didn't push the issue. Guess I should have.... good thing I don't like apples that much anyways
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Post by debthaven on Sept 1, 2015 19:17:40 GMT -5
That is so understandable Audrey! An 18YO needs someone to push you to go in that case.
Yes he still has his retainer but it's only a night retainer now. She was amazed at how well it still fit, and told us she wishes the rest of her patients used it at often.
I really felt sorry for her ... she was bragging about how the next time we went her son would be there, and he refused to do his "shadowing" there so his friend was there instead.
Audrey I have had a TON of dental work done, I like apples but I have one of those "apple slicers" lol. So I sympathize!
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Post by murphath on Sept 2, 2015 11:22:32 GMT -5
Of our 4 kids, only two needed braces. DD1's mouth was a mess. She needed 4 teeth pulled, wore a binator for a year, then the braces. She still uses her retainer at night (she's 32!). DS's were more straight forward.
Back then, I think we paid @ $2500 for each--not including the binator cost and teeth extraction. Our insurance covered a whopping $500 and paid for the original consultation.
Just curious: what do braces cost these days??
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Post by murphath on Sept 2, 2015 11:25:21 GMT -5
Just to add: we probably had the most ethical orthodontist ever. Most of the ones around here recommend doing the braces in Phase 1 and Phase 2. He said that was a waste of time. Due to jaw growth, etc. braces need to be put on at a particular age range. Phase 1 is just a way for orthodontists to prolong the treatment and thus, make a ton more money.
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Post by The Captain on Sept 2, 2015 11:31:49 GMT -5
Of our 4 kids, only two needed braces. DD1's mouth was a mess. She needed 4 teeth pulled, wore a binator for a year, then the braces. She still uses her retainer at night (she's 32!). DS's were more straight forward. Back then, I think we paid @ $2500 for each--not including the binator cost and teeth extraction. Our insurance covered a whopping $500 and paid for the original consultation. Just curious: what do braces cost these days?? DD just started. Depending on how long every thing takes the cost will be between $5300 and $5600. Insurance covers $1K, so around 23%.
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Post by justme on Sept 2, 2015 11:38:40 GMT -5
I guess now isn't the time to mention that if they're doing it this young they'll probably get to go through it twice.
Oh and for those saying their kids are almost done with retainers? Yeah mine started to move again once I stopped wearing it. I wear a hard splint now for tmj so they're not moving anymore but my very front top are not in a perfect line and my back molars shifted some. Ugh.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 2, 2015 11:44:12 GMT -5
Of our 4 kids, only two needed braces. DD1's mouth was a mess. She needed 4 teeth pulled, wore a binator for a year, then the braces. She still uses her retainer at night (she's 32!). DS's were more straight forward. Back then, I think we paid @ $2500 for each--not including the binator cost and teeth extraction. Our insurance covered a whopping $500 and paid for the original consultation. Just curious: what do braces cost these days?? DS's braces will run us 7500 out of pocket. Insurance covers an additional 1500, so 9K total, for treatment. I figure we'll spend a little more than a half year of my net dayjob salary on braces for all three of my kids. Total cost for my treatment was 3K 30 years ago, and insurance paid for half. But, he has my mouth. 30 years ago, I had six years of braces, several years of retainers and head gear before the braces, and several years of retainers after. I saw my ortho from age 8 until 21. By contrast, DS has 3 years of braces, wore headgear for a few months. I'm pleased by the advances. If nothing else, it means we don't have several decades of ortho trips. DH never had braces, and he should have. His two front teeth are overlapping. I'd offer to get them fixed, but we've got two more kids to pay for braces.
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Post by giramomma on Sept 2, 2015 11:47:04 GMT -5
I guess now isn't the time to mention that if they're doing it this young they'll probably get to go through it twice. I think it depends on the kid. My DS, by age 10, had all of his adult teeth in, except for his wisdom teeth. We were supposed to have a 2 year wait between phase 1 and phase 2. I asked the ortho what the hell happened, and he said "Well, all his teeth are in, including his 12 year molars. Doesn't make sense to wait and there's no need to." I contrast that with DD1, who thank god, is loosing her teeth at a normal rate.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 14:19:01 GMT -5
I'm out of the woods with older son and knocking on wood with younger.
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2015 15:09:20 GMT -5
It's $5500 forDD but it's in Canadian finds so the the exchange is pretty favorable right now. Don't know what DS will cost and whether we get s family discount. No insurance.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 2, 2015 15:40:43 GMT -5
DD is coming out of braces (will still have a retainer) in December and we just made our last payment. She was in 2 phases. First phase was $4000, with insurance paying 1,500. The second phase was $3,900 with insurance paying $1,000. She is so excited to be able to eat crunchy sticky foods again.
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Post by Miss Tequila on Sept 2, 2015 16:21:27 GMT -5
Good luck. I had two in braces and it sucks.
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Post by mamasita99 on Sept 2, 2015 18:01:21 GMT -5
I have two in braces right now. For both of them the total is $10,150. Fortunately insurance covers a total of $3,000 we are responsible for about $7,150. I will say, SHOP AROUND. The first orthodontist we consulted with (a friend recommended) gave us a quote of something like $16,000 for both of them. Another friend recommended the orthodontist that we ended up going with. Same treatment plans. The friend who recommended the pricey orthodontist was mad at herself when she found out the price difference. She could have saved a lot of money with her kids had she visited other orthodontists. Between my graduate tuition and braces for two, my money has been spoken for this year.
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Post by Works4me on Sept 2, 2015 18:31:05 GMT -5
I have never had 2 in braces at the same time, but I have had 2 in orthodontic treatment at the same time. The older one was generally in a (post-braces night) retainer when the younger sibling started braces. And this for ... (drum roll) 4 kids and 17 years! We just found out on Fri that DS3 has room for his wisdom teeth, so he doesn't need them pulled (which is a HUGE relief. I am HORRIBLY paranoid about having my kids' wisdom teeth pulled, because there ARE accidents, although they are rare). DS3 has 6-12 months left with his post-braces retainer. Be careful with this! I say that because I supposedly had the same thing (I went through 10 years of orthodontics... 4 years of head gear, 4 years of braces, and 2 years of post-brace retainer). My wisdom teeth were never pulled and they ended up pushing my straight teeth into each other. My bottom front teeth are crooked and on top of each other, much like the baby ones were back in the 1980s (that prompted the whole trip into orthodontia). I had even had 2 adult bicuspids pulled before braces, to make room for everything. So after 10 years of orthodontia, I had about 3 years of straight teeth (Post-brace, pre-wisdom teeth). Now, I am back to where I started (minus the overbite). You can't see it when I smile so I just leave well enough alone but it is kind of irritating. I can't eat apples whole (They get stuck between the teeth) Have they talked about possibly installing a permanent bottom retainer? Or at least one that will stay until the wisdom teeth come in and settle down? Would hate to see all the hard work undone by the unruly wisdom teeth... FWIW, I am glad I have the wisdom teeth... in my opinion, it is better to have teeth than not... I know people who are missing teeth and it doesn't look so hot. Anything extra I can get, it's good. I'm just a little irked that the orthodontist didn't explain what would happen and let me know to either keep wearing the retainer or do something else.. Another one here who had my initial orthodontic work done with plans to leave my wisdom teeth in because I have small teeth. When they actually came in, they pushed my entire bite forward so I got to have the joy of braces and a neck strap twice, the second time for a year in college! I then wore my retainers forever at night - as in over ten years. In fact, I only stopped popping them in a few times a month when I got a bite place for grinding in my early 40's. My point is to just see that his bite is carefully monitored until he stops growing. I need to have some dental work done and I am not looking forward to it - the only crown I have has a small chip in it and I know I need one on the other side. I just really don't want you or do it but I need to.
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2015 19:02:10 GMT -5
I have two in braces right now. For both of them the total is $10,150. Fortunately insurance covers a total of $3,000 we are responsible for about $7,150. I will say, SHOP AROUND. The first orthodontist we consulted with (a friend recommended) gave us a quote of something like $16,000 for both of them. Another friend recommended the orthodontist that we ended up going with. Same treatment plans. The friend who recommended the pricey orthodontist was mad at herself when she found out the price difference. She could have saved a lot of money with her kids had she visited other orthodontists. Between my graduate tuition and braces for two, my money has been spoken for this year. Shop.around? Lol. I live in the middle of nowhere. I have 2 choices.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 2, 2015 19:56:31 GMT -5
Wait, how old is she ? Did she loose all her baby teeth yet? How can they be doing braces on baby teeth? I am in the middle of cavity land with my two oldest - I can't hear the word "braces", it is giving me a heart attack!
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Post by swamp on Sept 2, 2015 19:57:46 GMT -5
7. She's starting with spacers so the adult teeth come in where they are supposed to and don't knock out baby teeth that should @yahoo.com come out yet. She has severe overcrowding.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Sept 2, 2015 23:23:39 GMT -5
Wow - I thought I had at least ~5 yrs before braces would even be discussed
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