Correct Response: That's Not My Culture

[Shirina]

Oh, Shirina...It probably bothers you that conservatives not only know what we believe, but we know what you liberals believe. We often know all of your arguments better than you do.

No you don't. I'm sure you'd like to believe you do, but you don't. I have waded up to my eyeballs in conservative strawman arguments because of people like yourself who believe they have me all figured out. I'm sure I'll see more in the future.

Far from being "rubbish", the OP was simply an example of a smug liberal who made what he believed to be a brilliant poin

It was rubbish, and I explained precisely why it was rubbish. I can't help if that post was a fallacy-fest, but it was, and I pointed them out. Unless you can prove the points I outlined, trying to connect the incident to liberalism specifically is ... well ... as I said: rubbish.

I woud suggest that if you're attempting to deny that multiculturalism, notions of American imperialism, and thoughts about how sad it is that so few Americans speak another language, know much about other cultures, and have so little appreciation for other cultures-- is not a dominant set of ideas on the left-- then you're the one that's got to do the proving.

You're going from the specific to the general, which is just another logical fallacy. Multiculturalism does not mandate rudeness, which this friend obviously was. Assuming that liberal beliefs in multiculturalism somehow caused this friend to be rude is, well, dare I say it? Rubbish. This is more a matter of not having proper social skills, but people like you would rather turn it into a political issue, which is ... can you guess what I'm about to say? I think you know.

You're a perfect example of what I was talking about on another thread when I was explaining why I participate on a purely right wing site from time to time.

So you fill yourself up on right-wing propaganda then come here to spew it all over this board? I think I understand.

You are attempting to start a conversation where I am somehow responsible for going all the way back and proving that the earth rotates around the sun, and not the other way around.

If you can't back up what you say, then don't say it. I will challenge people on spurious correlations and logical fallacies. You cannot say that this friend's liberalism caused him to say what he did without PROVING it. You can't. If you could, the proof would've been in the post I'm quoting you from instead of this tap dancing extravaganza you're now engaged in.

Some things just "are".

This isn't one of them.

That the left embraces ideas of American imperialism, and multiculturalism isn't something that requires "proof". It's proven. It's self-evident. It just "is".

Uhm ... where are you going with this? I never once said that liberals don't often embrace multiculturalism, but not all liberals do, and there is no telling if that friend embraced it. You're making assumptions willy-nilly, and now you're arguing against a point I never even made.

YOU have to prove the connection between that friend's liberalism and his actions. All you're doing right now is reinforcing the logical fallacy I outlined earlier. Just because two things exist simultaneously does not mean one caused the other. If my picnic and a rainstorm exist together, it does not mean my picnic caused it to rain. Just like the friend being a liberal and his wisecrack about the woman's culture co-existed does not mean his liberalism caused the wisecrack.

If you're going to hop on the high horse and trample liberals with rhetoric based on this anecdotal incident, you better be able to connect the two. You haven't because you can't. Instead, you're filling in the blanks with your own preconceived notions.

[Angel!]

Mar 14, 2011 21:08:31 GMT -5 deziloooooo said:

If they are citizens, legally here, working people, how they wish to live their lives here, isn't that their right?
I think some where in that great constitution of ours all those rights of free choice , how one chooses to live their lives is spelled out with protections so others can't force them to live differently.
Their choice....yet your saying now, they have to live their lives as you would like them to do so?

Well put dezi. Part of being in an american is the freedom to live the way we want. That is the basis of the constitution & the beliefs that this country was founded on.

[Deleted]

Sure, Dez-- the isolated Muslim branches that are radicalizing the youth are greatly enjoying the benefits of our society as they go off to Somalia and train to blow us up. So are the young people in parts of Tucson where no one speaks English, the signs are all in Spanish, the great majority of the people are on welfare, and the kids are being taught La Raza in HS. There are parts of Tucson I would run on fumes in my cab before stopping for gas down the road-- because I am white and it is too dangerous.
Right you are-- there is no law that says anyone has to love our country. They have every right to war with us from within, while sucking up our tax money to do it. Viva La Raza!! Allah Akbar!!!!
Yeah, this is working out real well for us, don 't you think?

[Deleted]

First I'll say that I'm surprised that so many people are thrown off by Windy's posting style.

Anyway I see what he's talking about.

another friend who is a liberal said, "Jeeze, I know more about your culture than you do!" and I've already given the punchline in the subject...she didn't hesitate, she didn't flinch, she didn't stutter- just came right out and said, "That's not MY culture. I'm an AMERICAN."

My wife is 2nd generation emigrant & her family had a very similar mind set. They were American. Once they arrived they didn't speak anything but English. That's because they were PROUD to be American. That way of looking at it has gone out of style, which I think is to bad. Now days people are mostly proud of their heritage which kind of puzzles me. You see I look at it as each person gets their worth because of who they are & what they have done. For me to be proud that somewhere back in time one of my dead relatives was someone important just means that I've done nothing myself & have to feel good about myself because of something that I had nothing to do with (other that to have some horny ansester). Nope, I don't get it.

[deziloooooo]

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[Deleted]

It has been a joy talking to you, Dez, ever since you sent me the PM telling me I am no longer your friend.
Carry on, Dez. I could care less what you think of me, by the way. I avoid PM for the most part, as gossip is not my thing-- but you have fun, Dez.

[deziloooooo]

Oops, TY for the Karma Angel, got so worked up almost forgot, appreciate it.

[privateinvestor]

Mar 15, 2011 12:57:20 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It has been a joy talking to you, Dez, ever since you sent me the PM telling me I am no longer your friend.
Carry on, Dez. I could care less what you think of me, by the way. I avoid PM for the most part, as gossip is not my thing-- but you have fun, Dez.

Krickett you can easily block those unwanted PMs just click on Preferences in the Private Message section and add the names you want blocked....and then click on Save.....

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[ed1066]

Thanks for the tip, P.I.!

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Yep. Liberals are sooooo multi-cultural. Well, except for AMERICAN culture. Which is (ready to see blood shoot out of their eyes?) distinct from any culture, and superior to other cultures. One important way were distinctly different, and I think superior to all other cultures is the fact that we're having this discussion. Trust me when I say that if you move your American cowboy ass over to France, you WILL become French-- and that's if they even let you in. Name a country or a culture where if you make the effort to emmigrate you can go and talk about how great it is to be an American, and they should be more like you. HA! Most places, assuming they let you in in the first place (which is quite the assumption), you WILL be ASSIMILATED, or you will be gone.

[deziloooooo]

Mar 15, 2011 12:57:20 GMT -5 @krickitt said:

It has been a joy talking to you, Dez, ever since you sent me the PM telling me I am no longer your friend.
Carry on, Dez. I could care less what you think of me, by the way. I avoid PM for the most part, as gossip is not my thing-- but you have fun, Dez.

I wish I can say the same to you, I can't.

"you sent me the PM telling me I am no longer your friend"

Took me a bit to find it[have to remember to put headers on these things dummy so you can find them in the future. Yes boss]
I never said anything about friendship to you in that pm. I said that PM's are just that, personal messages, don't want them then say so. {You once said you didn't like them, gave me a e mail that you said it takes you weeks to open, I told you I don't communicate that way on a message board and after that a few times we went back and FORTH's on Pm's so I guess it was OK with you.}

Getting back to that PM, I said since you have used our PM publicly on a back and forth, I can't trust you ..I then said good bye Krickett.

Nothing about friendship, being or not being. I don't consider anyone, thats anyone , here on these boards as enemies.
I sure disagree with some most vehemently and seem a few others others feel the same about my positions, {I still can't understand that actually, not agreeing with most of my posts, ideas , thoughts{sheesh} and if some here actually have those feelings of personal dislikes with people on zones like this, , to me that makes no sense,{I cleaned up my first thoughts on that one} and actually ******, but it's their problem.

As far as the deleted post, I was going to redo it to conform to correct C of C , but was to late to get to it, a communication problem, but since you read it, it was directed to you really, it is not necessary, and enough said, except for one thing.

You really should think a bit before you post, it is nothing about free speech as you have said numerous times, it's about opinions that are from the hip with little thought behind them that is so many times just inappropriate, at the very least.

To finish..never said anything about friendship in that PM, just being unable to trust you as you have this tendency to go public, as you did again, and in the one above, you were not telling the truth.

PS: I see you mention PM's are gossip communications? How so and yet you gave me a E mail address for you, that too in your reasoning could be gossop and the reason I won't on a message board, I just don't want your E mail address or you to have mine, the PM is fine for here.

[Angel!]

Mar 15, 2011 14:23:57 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Yep. Liberals are sooooo multi-cultural. Well, except for AMERICAN culture. Which is (ready to see blood shoot out of their eyes?) distinct from any culture, and superior to other cultures. One important way were distinctly different, and I think superior to all other cultures is the fact that we're having this discussion. Trust me when I say that if you move your American cowboy ass over to France, you WILL become French-- and that's if they even let you in. Name a country or a culture where if you make the effort to emmigrate you can go and talk about how great it is to be an American, and they should be more like you. HA! Most places, assuming they let you in in the first place (which is quite the assumption), you WILL be ASSIMILATED, or you will be gone.

Interesting - you think our culture is superior because we allow multi-culturalism & don't force assimilation. In other words we are superior because of our liberal ideals.

[privateinvestor]

Mar 15, 2011 14:11:41 GMT -5 @ed1066 said:

Thanks for the tip, P.I.!

Ok Ed and too bad we didn't have it in place earlier... I thought asking someone to cease with the weirdo PMs would be enough.. But I think blocking was added recently to the PM options..??