kittensaver
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 21, 2015 13:12:33 GMT -5
I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal.A physical therapist can be trained in this too. I had quite a bit done when I first started PT after cleared from my surgery. Only problem was that my adhesions and scar tissue are too deep and too extensive. For a good number of years, the AMA instructed their doctors to tell patients that chiropractic treatment was dangerous.For some, it CAN be. I'm not sure that I agree totally about your comments about the AMA having a choke hold on the insurance industry. I think that many doctors WILL recommend chiropractic care (and as long as I can remember, it has been covered by insurance much like PT), if it is safe to do so and it will help their condition. However, some patients go directly to the chiropractor and bypass a doctor....and the chiropractor is not always honest about their ability. I can't begin to count the number of people in my hip groups who have gone to a chiropractor first. Only problem is that no amount of adjustment will help deteriorating cartilage and they don't get the treatment that they DO need. So after spinning their wheels and spending $$ for something to help them, they're not doing what they *should* be doing to preserve their joint and keep the ROM. FWIW - I know at least 4 people who use a chiropractor because they were advised by their physician. I also know of one who was advised that a chiropractor was NOT a good idea, went anyway and wasted a tremendous amount of money and wound up back a the surgeon in worse shape. . . . and that is why I clearly stated that not EVERYTHING works for EVERYBODY.
ETA: the AMA has a DEFINITE chokehold on the systems for medical reimbursement (insurance) in this country. ND's have the equivalent training to a GP or family practitioner and hold state medical licenses, and yet the AMA will not allow them (for the most part, there ARE exceptions and it's slowly changing) to join the reimbursement systems - again, they are protecting their turf (MDs). On one level, you can't blame them - they are just doing their job. But the consumer loses .
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 14:20:08 GMT -5
I'm shocked that a physical therapist would ever recommend a chiropractor. Why?
I had PT and chiro working together with my back issues.
This.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 21, 2015 16:33:54 GMT -5
I'm shocked that a physical therapist would ever recommend a chiropractor. Why?
I had PT and chiro working together with my back issues.
. Because PT's were taught that Chiros were quacks.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on Aug 21, 2015 19:29:23 GMT -5
My family was anti-chiropractors in the 60s through 90s.
What I have seen is MDs throw pain meds at a back issue followed by surgery recommendations.
Chiropractors do the adjustments to get everything back in place. Then do the strengthening.
I recently had a hip issue and went to the chiro. Appointment was the day after I called. I have been 2 times and experienced considerable relief.
A heating pad can really help the tight muscle area.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Aug 21, 2015 20:33:26 GMT -5
A couple years ago, DH set me up for massages for a christmas gift and when I went in, they were a chiropractor w/massage and because I was having an issue with my neck and sciatic problems after my pregnancy, they just billed our insurance and I got 36 sessions a year. I did that for almost a whole year and did some PT with it and I feel sooooo much better, I haven't needed to go back. I might try to go back someday because I miss the massages though I fully believe in their healing abilities!
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2015 22:38:47 GMT -5
I'm shocked that a physical therapist would ever recommend a chiropractor. I was too - especially since my Dr gave me the choice, they seem like direct competition.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 22, 2015 0:45:04 GMT -5
They are. Good PT's firmly believe chiros way overstep their boundaries. They pretend to be doctors and people actually think they are.
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zibazinski
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 22, 2015 0:53:47 GMT -5
I got a free massage as a teacher appreciation gift. You bet I took it even though it was at a chiros office. I'd never ever see a chiro but a massage, why not? Well, I'll tell you why not. That bitch repeatedly hurt my back even though I said gentle nothing hurts. I finally got up after about 15 minutes of me saying you're hurting me, accused her of drumming up business for her quack and left. My experience sure made the teachers lounge the next day. I guess some people get good results. Glad for them. To me, they're on par with witch doctors. Until they greased enough palms, they couldn't get reimbursed by insurance companies and some companies still won't cover them. They're known for being in cahoots with "accident claim" victims. But there's lawyers and pain doctors that do the same thing so it isn't just them. Crap, after my experience it's a wonder I didn't have a bad back. I sure had a sore one.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 22, 2015 6:41:43 GMT -5
A couple years ago, DH set me up for massages for a christmas gift and when I went in, they were a chiropractor w/massage and because I was having an issue with my neck and sciatic problems after my pregnancy, they just billed our insurance and I got 36 sessions a year. I did that for almost a whole year and did some PT with it and I feel sooooo much better, I haven't needed to go back. I might try to go back someday because I miss the massages though I fully believe in their healing abilities! Did the chirp do the massage themselves? Because in PA at least they can't bill any more for massage unless they do it themselves. The local chiro I've gone to employs my least favorite massage though. Thankfully. I guess. Because i'm not spending money on them very often. I have used a very good PT and she worked with chiro. It could spend on the chiro though. I have never had my 'back cracked'... Although she did my neck once.
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Post by suesinfl on Aug 22, 2015 8:08:22 GMT -5
My DDs and I use a Chrio for things like our backs, hips, shoulders, etc. Do I think their care can solve, digestive or internal organs issues? No. Funny thing, my parents did not believe in medical care of any type, do medical, dental, optical, etc.
We only went when there was something visually wrong. One time I broke my finger and the bone was protruding and my father insisted that it was just jammed and wanted to pull on my finger to put it in place. Yeah, whack job.
My youngest sister got the best revenge, she put herself through medical school and is now a doctor.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on Aug 22, 2015 8:17:49 GMT -5
A couple years ago, DH set me up for massages for a christmas gift and when I went in, they were a chiropractor w/massage and because I was having an issue with my neck and sciatic problems after my pregnancy, they just billed our insurance and I got 36 sessions a year. I did that for almost a whole year and did some PT with it and I feel sooooo much better, I haven't needed to go back. I might try to go back someday because I miss the massages though I fully believe in their healing abilities! Did the chirp do the massage themselves? Because in PA at least they can't bill any more for massage unless they do it themselves. The local chiro I've gone to employs my least favorite massage though. Thankfully. I guess. Because i'm not spending money on them very often. I have used a very good PT and she worked with chiro. It could spend on the chiro though. I have never had my 'back cracked'... Although she did my neck once. No, the massage staff was separate. You did your PT when you when you got there, The chiro would work on you and then went down the hall to you massage therapist.
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Post by moneymaven on Aug 22, 2015 8:19:14 GMT -5
Has anyone here ever changed their mind about the entire field of chiropractics? Has anyone come from a family like mine, but then went and now believes they serve a viable purpose? I grew up thinking they were quacks, too. My husband believes in what they can do 100%.
DH had major back problems that didn't go away after several months with the chiropractor. So the chiropractor ordered an imaging test.
My husband has had so much imaging that I tell him he glows in the dark. But the chiropractor saw something that had slipped by the cardiologist as well as the primary care doctor. He saw an abdominal aortic aneurysm. If an AAA bursts, you bleed out so fast that you don't really have a chance.
So he saved DH's life. He obviously knew what he was doing. He didn't pretend to treat him, but he did give him the imaging and sent him to his cardiologist.
Wow, that's incredible! I'm so glad his chiro found that and helped!
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