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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2015 8:03:17 GMT -5
Recently I have had all sorts of problems - my neck and shoulders are all jacked up. I went and saw a pain specialist, and they gave me a choice between physical therapy and a chiropractor. I went to the physical therapist, and she helped a lot, but at the end, she said that there were still some problems that she couldn't solve and suggested I see a chiropractor. I go to a massage therapist often, and she helps more than anyone (albeit temporary) and she said that a chiropractor could do me some good. I asked my trainer to help me strengthen the muscles that are in my problem areas, and he suggested I see a chiropractor. So...I feel like I should give it some thought.
I feel like you grow up in one of two types of households - those that believe chiropractors are helpful trained medical professionals, and those that don't. Both my husband and I grew up in non-chiropractor households. My Dad used to call them 'Quakerpractors.' I have talked to many people who swear by chiropractics, but they all seem to have gone in already believing it was going to help. So I am looking for a different slant.
Has anyone here ever changed their mind about the entire field of chiropractics?
Has anyone come from a family like mine, but then went and now believes they serve a viable purpose?
Has anyone gone in believing a couple of adjustments would help, but came out denouncing chiropractic care all together? Not just that one dr or clinic, but the whole concept?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 21, 2015 8:05:51 GMT -5
Like most things I think it's helpful for some things and can be a part of a whole health practice, but don't think it's the panacea to cure all ills.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Aug 21, 2015 8:12:37 GMT -5
I started seeing a chiropractor in March on my own doctor's advice. He told me his wife is a marathon runner and swears by her chiro, so since I was having issues that affected my running I figured what did I have to lose aside from a $15 copay? I never really had an opinion on chiropractic before I started going. I can't even stand the sound of someone cracking their knuckles. It has worked for some things. My posture is better and I can go longer without hip pain. I'm still not sure if I'm 100% sold on it, but I do like how the adjustments feel, so that's good enough for me.
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Post by thyme4change on Aug 21, 2015 8:17:38 GMT -5
Like most things I think it's helpful for some things and can be a part of a whole health practice, but don't think it's the panacea to cure all ills. I have given up on a 'cure' and settled for 'management.' Sad to think I will be in some amount of pain for the rest of my life, but I have to accept it and do the best I can to minimize it.
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Post by Pants on Aug 21, 2015 8:26:30 GMT -5
Recently I have had all sorts of problems - my neck and shoulders are all jacked up. I went and saw a pain specialist, and they gave me a choice between physical therapy and a chiropractor. I went to the physical therapist, and she helped a lot, but at the end, she said that there were still some problems that she couldn't solve and suggested I see a chiropractor. I go to a massage therapist often, and she helps more than anyone (albeit temporary) and she said that a chiropractor could do me some good. I asked my trainer to help me strengthen the muscles that are in my problem areas, and he suggested I see a chiropractor. So...I feel like I should give it some thought. I feel like you grow up in one of two types of households - those that believe chiropractors are helpful trained medical professionals, and those that don't. Both my husband and I grew up in non-chiropractor households. My Dad used to call them 'Quakerpractors.' I have talked to many people who swear by chiropractics, but they all seem to have gone in already believing it was going to help. So I am looking for a different slant. Has anyone here ever changed their mind about the entire field of chiropractics? Has anyone come from a family like mine, but then went and now believes they serve a viable purpose? Has anyone gone in believing a couple of adjustments would help, but came out denouncing chiropractic care all together? Not just that one dr or clinic, but the whole concept? I came from a household that never thought much about it either way. I went to a chiropractor to help with back issues in my early 20s. I would feel great the day of, but then it would get progressively worse. I was pretty much disabled for like a week after going, but the chiropractor said it was helping. Well turns out, I had the incorrect "diagnosis" from the chiro, and he was actually making it much, much worse. Turns out getting your back cracked when you have a nerve problem in your spine is not good, go figure. Since then I've done much more research into what chiropractic entails, and sorry, the "blocked chi" diagnosis doesn't fly with me. Because chi is not a thing. You wanna go get your back cracked and you don't have nerve issues? Go for it, it's unlikely to harm you (although in rare cases neck manipulation has led to stroke or permanent damage and death! awesome!) But don't fool yourself that you're actually doing anything medical. You're paying someone to make some nice sounding pops in your spine and give you a little endorphin rush.
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Post by muttleynfelix on Aug 21, 2015 8:34:56 GMT -5
I occasionally go to the CHIRO when my low back gets out of whack. I'm actually going today. For my problems he helps. Basically every couple months my hips will get really tight and no amount of stretching will loosen them up, my low back starts to sieze up and sitting in a chair sucks. The CHIRO helps move my hips back into a better alignment.
I don't swear by them. They did my husband and sister-in-law no good. But they have helped me and recently my mom. They've also helped my Grandma.
My current CHIRO is a health nut and really pushes diet as well. I've only been to him once, but that is kind of annoying.
I was indifferent before going. I didn't really have an opinion about them.
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Post by Regis on Aug 21, 2015 9:07:12 GMT -5
Like most things I think it's helpful for some things and can be a part of a whole health practice, but don't think it's the panacea to cure all ills. I have given up on a 'cure' and settled for 'management.' Sad to think I will be in some amount of pain for the rest of my life, but I have to accept it and do the best I can to minimize it. I had gotten to this, too. Then my doctor recommended his chiropractor for my upper back pain. One vertebrae had gotten out of alignment (probably old sports injury) and had progressively pushed all the rest out of alignment all the way up to the base of my neck. Over the course of about eight weeks (seeing him twice a week), the chiropractor put them back in alignment one by one until they were all where they were supposed to be. He finished about this time last year and I've had zero pain since then.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2015 9:13:09 GMT -5
It's great for some stuff, not so good for others.
I have a herniated disc. I've opted for management over surgery. Chiropractic adjustment, ultrasound, and traction was part of the treatment and pain management.
It also depends on the chiro. The one I go to is one of my friends. She knows the limits of chiropractic care, has no illusions that back adjustment will treat measles, and will refer a person to an MD when appropriate. She also works closely with MDs to coordinate her treatment with their treatment.
Another guy thinks that chiropractic treatments will cure Type 1 Diabetes. He's a whackadoodle.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Aug 21, 2015 9:20:01 GMT -5
I think it depends on the chiropracter just as it does with any medical professional. DH's cousin is one and he's gone to her several times. She knows the limits of what she can/cannot do and is ready to refer people to a doctor/PT or whoever she feels would provide the right care. She works closely with other health care professionals as a part of an overall care plan, she doesn't consider herself THE care plan.
Then there are the chiropractors that believe that they can cure anything with a back crack and they are qualified to make medical diganoses way out of their educational/training zone.
I'd say I am somewhere in the middle. I do not think every chiropractor out there is a quack. At the same time I am quick to point out chiropracters are NOT doctors to people who think since they wear white coats and went to "school" they are just as qualified as actual MDs to offer advice/treatment on things they have zero educational background in.
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Post by whoisjohngalt on Aug 21, 2015 9:46:13 GMT -5
I picked acupuncture over chiropractor. I didn't grow up with any preconceived notions, but for some reason (probably completely illogical) I am not OK with anyone doing stuff to my bones like that. Now, needles - I didn't mind
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Post by souldoubt on Aug 21, 2015 9:47:17 GMT -5
I've been going to the chiropractor for about 6 years now. Between a shoulder injury, poor posture as a kid and sitting in front of a computer for a living I started having issues with my back/neck. I still have the occasional flare up but it's mostly muscle related and can be minimized by stretching and icing. If my chiropractor acted like getting adjusted was a cure all and that he could fix all my problems I wouldn't still be his client. For me it's worked but I know other people doctor I've talked to included who feel that regular manipulation of the spine isn't good. Getting adjusted helps me with some things but again when I get a flare up I'll take a break and go with stretching and icing until it feels better.
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Post by The Captain on Aug 21, 2015 9:56:43 GMT -5
It's great for some stuff, not so good for others.
I have a herniated disc. I've opted for management over surgery. Chiropractic adjustment, ultrasound, and traction was part of the treatment and pain management.
It also depends on the chiro. The one I go to is one of my friends. She knows the limits of chiropractic care, has no illusions that back adjustment will treat measles, and will refer a person to an MD when appropriate. She also works closely with MDs to coordinate her treatment with their treatment.
Another guy thinks that chiropractic treatments will cure Type 1 Diabetes. He's a whackadoodle. . Before I married DH I was firmly in the Chiropracters are quacks camp. However DH has had very good results with the one he sees. She is also pretty straight forward about what she can, and can't do for him. Personally, I could never relax enough to let someone else do that stuff to me, it would cause more harm than good.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Aug 21, 2015 10:26:17 GMT -5
There are probably good ones out there. My pain specialist sent me to a total quack. The only good thing about that practice was the massage therapists and probably the physical therapy stuff. The acupuncture made my jaw lock up more than once. He did put a rib back in place. And the face stuff improved my headaches at the time. I think that was ART? Can't remember. Overall they were quacks. Pushing supplements, the wellness club when you ran out of insurance coverage and my favorite the Intelliskin shirts to improve posture. Never mind that I have a latex allergy and can't wear a sports bra for more than a hour or two without getting red marks and wanting to rip it off. I didn't know it at the time but my manager had also been there and found them to be quacks. He told me I needed yoga and a vacation. And was constantly telling me to relax. I guess like captain I don't like people messing with me? To be fair I could probably relax some but time constraints cause a lot of my stress. I did look for yoga classes but I got discouraged when everything near my house for beginners was catering to stay at home moms/wives.
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Post by lexxy703 on Aug 21, 2015 10:33:45 GMT -5
I've been to two different chiropractors. The first one was just meh. The second one was amazing. I think it really does depend on the one you choose.
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2015 10:57:34 GMT -5
Grew up in a family that called Chiropractors quacks. But as I got older, I realized my entire family is filled with batshit crazy people (scary smart batshit crazy people, but still...) so I've re-evaluated more than a few of my childhood beliefs.
IMHO chiro is a very, very mixed bag. Many chiros tout cures and treatments that have no basis in science. But there are others who are more along the lines of what I would consider Advanced and Awesome Masseuse. I have a friend that's a chiro that I met in a boot camp class and that my other friend who does sports rehab for a lot of famous athletes recommended. He's more like the Advanced and Awesome Masseuse type. He doesn't claim to cure cancer, but is great with helping to work on sports injuries. I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal. Hurts like a thousand burning suns, but has helped with a couple of injuries I had that just wouldn't heal otherwise.
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Post by Cookies Galore on Aug 21, 2015 11:17:25 GMT -5
Grew up in a family that called Chiropractors quacks. But as I got older, I realized my entire family is filled with batshit crazy people (scary smart batshit crazy people, but still...) so I've re-evaluated more than a few of my childhood beliefs.
IMHO chiro is a very, very mixed bag. Many chiros tout cures and treatments that have no basis in science. But there are others who are more along the lines of what I would consider Advanced and Awesome Masseuse. I have a friend that's a chiro that I met in a boot camp class and that my other friend who does sports rehab for a lot of famous athletes recommended. He's more like the Advanced and Awesome Masseuse type. He doesn't claim to cure cancer, but is great with helping to work on sports injuries. I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal. Hurts like a thousand burning suns, but has helped with a couple of injuries I had that just wouldn't heal otherwise. This is something my chiro does on me. I love it!
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Post by milee on Aug 21, 2015 11:18:57 GMT -5
Grew up in a family that called Chiropractors quacks. But as I got older, I realized my entire family is filled with batshit crazy people (scary smart batshit crazy people, but still...) so I've re-evaluated more than a few of my childhood beliefs.
IMHO chiro is a very, very mixed bag. Many chiros tout cures and treatments that have no basis in science. But there are others who are more along the lines of what I would consider Advanced and Awesome Masseuse. I have a friend that's a chiro that I met in a boot camp class and that my other friend who does sports rehab for a lot of famous athletes recommended. He's more like the Advanced and Awesome Masseuse type. He doesn't claim to cure cancer, but is great with helping to work on sports injuries. I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal. Hurts like a thousand burning suns, but has helped with a couple of injuries I had that just wouldn't heal otherwise. This is something my chiro does on me. I love it! I don't love it one little bit, but I love the results. :-)
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Post by Lizard Queen on Aug 21, 2015 11:25:44 GMT -5
If all these medical professionals are telling you to go to a chiropractor, it's worth a try. I've never been to one, but I can crack my back myself. I used to be able to do it quite easily, but couldn't for a while after getting pregnant the first time. I missed it! I could feel the tension building up, but my muscles got too tight. Now, I can do a little bit again, when I am very relaxed, or at the end of my Pilates routine, lying on the floor. Paying attention to posture helps too. My neck just cracked when I sat up straighter.
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Post by Tiny on Aug 21, 2015 11:26:08 GMT -5
I'm of the opinion that it depends. If I've exhausted the supposedly "rational" options and the chiropractor option was suggested - I'd give it a go. I'm of the opinion that even if I went to the chiropractor there would probably be things I might need to do to continue the 'making it work/helping' part of what they were doing... like loose weight or do exercise/whatever to help strengthen (or stretch) muscles.. or to avoid/limit certain activities/movements (sometimes when you are older you literally CAN"T and probably shouldn't be doing what you did when you were 20... ) I don't think it's a "cure all"... and I suspect that in many cases it's a combination of chiro AND changing behavior (watching weight, getting exercise, keeping everything working like a fine tuned machine!)- not just the Chiro visit.
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2015 11:28:58 GMT -5
This is something my chiro does on me. I love it! I don't love it one little bit, but I love the results. :-)
It hurts like a mofo, but it works.
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Post by saveinla on Aug 21, 2015 11:37:18 GMT -5
I picked acupuncture over chiropractor. I didn't grow up with any preconceived notions, but for some reason (probably completely illogical) I am not OK with anyone doing stuff to my bones like that. Now, needles - I didn't mind I am taking a gentle yoga class along with occasional sessions of acupuncture and my neck and back stiffness and pain seem to be much better.
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Post by Opti on Aug 21, 2015 11:42:32 GMT -5
I've never denounced chiropractic care, but I do not believe any modality including doctors, chiros, has all the answers. I go to one to keep my back in alignment. Its possible if I could stay hydrated, and keep up with various exercises I could stop going, but for now every two to three weeks works for me.
Give it a try and research several different chiropractors. Like doctors I think you need to find one that fits what you need and a personality that at least meshes with yours. Good luck.
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Post by bean29 on Aug 21, 2015 12:03:18 GMT -5
Grew up in a family that called Chiropractors quacks. But as I got older, I realized my entire family is filled with batshit crazy people (scary smart batshit crazy people, but still...) so I've re-evaluated more than a few of my childhood beliefs.
IMHO chiro is a very, very mixed bag. Many chiros tout cures and treatments that have no basis in science. But there are others who are more along the lines of what I would consider Advanced and Awesome Masseuse. I have a friend that's a chiro that I met in a boot camp class and that my other friend who does sports rehab for a lot of famous athletes recommended. He's more like the Advanced and Awesome Masseuse type. He doesn't claim to cure cancer, but is great with helping to work on sports injuries. I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal. Hurts like a thousand burning suns, but has helped with a couple of injuries I had that just wouldn't heal otherwise. ART is a form of massage. I also had it done at my Chiro office. Was not cheap and hurt like hell, but I did get a lot of relief from it.
I count myself as someone who was really helped by Chiropractic care. When I was PG with DD I was cleaning my Van, parked at the curb b/c we lived in an Urban area on the corner...so I was vacuuming the car out. The sliding door on the van started to roll closed and I backed out of the car and twisted my body as I was expecting my foot to land an the high side of the curb and it landed on the street, so I kind of fell off balance out of the van and twisted my back. I had back problems for about 8-9 years after that. I lost my job when DD was about 9 and was on severance and had about 6 months of medical coverage...so I took myself off to see the chiropractor before my insurance coverage expired. I could not stand straight for years. My spine was bent slightly forward. I saw the chiropractor 2-3 x a week for about a year. Adjustments, Ice, and Stimulation. After the year I could stand straight. It has been about 8 years and I am still pretty good. I only need occasional adjustments. The chiropractors in the office have changed, they guy I am assigned with now owns part of the practice, but I don't think he is any good. I need to go find a different chiropractor. I agree that they can't correct everything, but if it is right for your problem, I think they can do a lot of good.
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Post by zibazinski on Aug 21, 2015 12:33:46 GMT -5
I'm shocked that a physical therapist would ever recommend a chiropractor.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 21, 2015 12:35:01 GMT -5
Like most things I think it's helpful for some things and can be a part of a whole health practice, but don't think it's the panacea to cure all ills. Just like Western medicine and pharmaceuticals is not a panacea to cure all ills. Just sayin' . . . .
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Post by swamp on Aug 21, 2015 12:38:51 GMT -5
I'm shocked that a physical therapist would ever recommend a chiropractor. Why?
I had PT and chiro working together with my back issues.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on Aug 21, 2015 12:45:36 GMT -5
Recently I have had all sorts of problems - my neck and shoulders are all jacked up. I went and saw a pain specialist, and they gave me a choice between physical therapy and a chiropractor. I went to the physical therapist, and she helped a lot, but at the end, she said that there were still some problems that she couldn't solve and suggested I see a chiropractor. I go to a massage therapist often, and she helps more than anyone (albeit temporary) and she said that a chiropractor could do me some good. I asked my trainer to help me strengthen the muscles that are in my problem areas, and he suggested I see a chiropractor. So...I feel like I should give it some thought. I feel like you grow up in one of two types of households - those that believe chiropractors are helpful trained medical professionals, and those that don't. Both my husband and I grew up in non-chiropractor households. My Dad used to call them 'Quakerpractors.' I have talked to many people who swear by chiropractics, but they all seem to have gone in already believing it was going to help. So I am looking for a different slant. Has anyone here ever changed their mind about the entire field of chiropractics? Has anyone come from a family like mine, but then went and now believes they serve a viable purpose? Has anyone gone in believing a couple of adjustments would help, but came out denouncing chiropractic care all together? Not just that one dr or clinic, but the whole concept? Wow, you are really animated about chiropractors Try one, if it doesn't help you, don't go again. So far so good for me...I've never been.
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Post by kittensaver on Aug 21, 2015 12:57:56 GMT -5
Remember that the AMA LOST a federal antitrust suit with a consortium of chiropractors in the 1980's (it's easy to look up). The AMA is well know for dissing and suppressing any medical system or procedures that don't fall under their Western Medicine purview.
The AMA is not your friend. The AMA does not have the health consumer's best interests at heart. The AMA does not exist to protect consumers (contrary to what most people seem to think). The AMA exists to protect their members (Western medicine doctors) and defend their system of medicine against "encroachers." Which is ironic because Western medicine is the youngest of the medical systems out there .
That is why there is a long-standing distrust between chiropractors and MDs. For a good number of years, the AMA instructed their doctors to tell patients that chiropractic treatment was dangerous. Yep, you can read it in the lawsuit. And whether or not they believed it, MDs who wanted to stay in the good graces of the AMA had to toe the party line. They are still toeing the party line today about lots of stuff in the alternative medicine arena.
That said, I agree that there is no one procedure or system of medicine that works for everyone all the time. It just doesn't exist (contrary to what the AMA would like you to believe). That's why there are over 200 different types of chiropractic treatments. That's why there are different philosophies about acupuncture.
Not EVERYTHING works for EVERYBODY. We all have to find our own way. Personally, I see a chiropractor who specialized in Upper Cervical treatment. It is one of the things that keeps my three diagnoses in remission (but it is not the only thing).
But as long as the AMA has a choke-hold on the insurance industry in this country, "alternative" treatments will continue to not be covered under reimbursement systems. YES, SOME companies cover SOME things, but by and large the insurance industry only covers what the feds approve as medical treatment (with AMA approval). It's too bad because there are things like chiro and acupuncture that really help some people.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Aug 21, 2015 13:10:57 GMT -5
I have gone to him for ART (think that stands for Active Release Tech - but don't remember), which is basically where they find the place that has the adhesions and helps manipulate the tissue to break up the adhesions so they can heal.
A physical therapist can be trained in this too. I had quite a bit done when I first started PT after cleared from my surgery. Only problem was that my adhesions and scar tissue are too deep and too extensive.
For a good number of years, the AMA instructed their doctors to tell patients that chiropractic treatment was dangerous.
For some, it CAN be.
I'm not sure that I agree totally about your comments about the AMA having a choke hold on the insurance industry. I think that many doctors WILL recommend chiropractic care (and as long as I can remember, it has been covered by insurance much like PT), if it is safe to do so and it will help their condition. However, some patients go directly to the chiropractor and bypass a doctor....and the chiropractor is not always honest about their ability.
I can't begin to count the number of people in my hip groups who have gone to a chiropractor first. Only problem is that no amount of adjustment will help deteriorating cartilage and they don't get the treatment that they DO need. So after spinning their wheels and spending $$ for something to help them, they're not doing what they *should* be doing to preserve their joint and keep the ROM.
FWIW - I know at least 4 people who use a chiropractor because they were advised by their physician. I also know of one who was advised that a chiropractor was NOT a good idea, went anyway and wasted a tremendous amount of money and wound up back a the surgeon in worse shape.
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