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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:06:49 GMT -5
Like if she was in an accident and needed someone called or someone needed to make medical decisions. Is that you?
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:07:11 GMT -5
Nothing... this is between your mother and your daughter. You get step out of it. Your daughter is a grown woman that needs to fight her own battles. If she think Gram was out of line she needs to call her grandmother and tell her. Your mother can get the chewing out from your daughter (which I think is warranted based on your last post). I understand what you're saying. I know I had no control over my Mom's actions, but I feel like none of this would've happened if I'd just kept my mouth shut about Saturday night so it's not just between them. Whether that makes sense or not, that's how I feel.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:15:53 GMT -5
Like if she was in an accident and needed someone called or someone needed to make medical decisions. Is that you? When she had the heart attack, my brother called the ambulance and my Mom wouldn't let anybody call me until I got off work. I know she'd rather I make any important decisions than my brother. He's pretty useless in a crisis anyway because he falls apart. I'm pretty sure she uses me as her emergency contact or my Aunt. If something happened, she'd want me there (unless I'm at work I guess ) and I'd want to be there. But official paperwork somewhere, I'm not aware of that.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 3, 2015 15:18:51 GMT -5
Oh well.... you'll know better than to confide next time......
Sounds like she is meddling in stuff that doesn't concern her......so she needs to be kept at arms length. Your family is your business not hers.
Is she normally so erratic?........ is there another family member that could lend some support?
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 3, 2015 15:22:07 GMT -5
Could she be lonely and not getting enough attention.......is she feeling irrelevant or marginalised? Or has she lost her marbles?
Not sure what you are supposed to do..... but it might shed some light on the subject.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:22:34 GMT -5
She sounds manipulative. I think I'd have others block. Ask if she has been to a doctor lately and recommend check up. Continue screening her calls with minimal picking up and no more sharing! I'm sorry it seems to have come to that But you need to maintain sanity.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 15:23:21 GMT -5
Good point spellbound. About feeling lonely or marginalized. What does she do with herself all day?
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 3, 2015 15:26:34 GMT -5
Like if she was in an accident and needed someone called or someone needed to make medical decisions. Is that you? When she had the heart attack, my brother called the ambulance and my Mom wouldn't let anybody call me until I got off work. I know she'd rather I make any important decisions than my brother. He's pretty useless in a crisis anyway because he falls apart. I'm pretty sure she uses me as her emergency contact or my Aunt. If something happened, she'd want me there (unless I'm at work I guess ) and I'd want to be there. But official paperwork somewhere, I'm not aware of that.This needs to change NOW. Your mother's mental capacities may be in flux at this point. Sixty-five is young, but not too young for dementia. She needs a full medical checkup. Maybe it is just drama queen complex. Maybe it's more than that. But she needs to designate a POA and medical representative. Someone who can make decisions if she cannot. This is not about her having a choice, really. And if she wants to throw a hissy fit over it, then tell her when emergency push comes to medical shove, no one will be able to help her legally if she does not make a decision. You do not want that dreaded middle-of-the-night phone call from the EMTs or a hospital, telling you the worst. Or from your hysterical brother. You need to know what to do and how to proceed. Sorry, I know all of this sounds a tad cold. But I've been through it.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:41:22 GMT -5
Could she be lonely and not getting enough attention.......is she feeling irrelevant or marginalised? Or has she lost her marbles?
Not sure what you are supposed to do..... but it might shed some light on the subject. I think this is a big part of it. My grandmother died 2 years ago and it was very hard on my Mom. They lived together. She has some health issues and now no car. So she's basically at home all the time and my brother's there driving her nuts. She's sad and unhappy. I honestly would like to spend more time with my Mom. But it's so complicated. For a couple of reasons, I'm not going over there and visit with her, and I have reasons why I'm not inviting her to come visit my house. One of them being, I'm afraid she won't leave. But I could make more of an effort to get her out of the house sometimes. I know she'd like that. I'd just have to be firm that I don't want to hear a bunch of sad stories or anything about my stupid brother. I'm glad you asked that question and made me think about that. I know it hurts my Mom that I've distanced myself from her and it does make me feel like a bad daughter because I do love her. I guess I need to just put my big girl panties on and try to get her to understand why so maybe we can work on that.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 16:56:37 GMT -5
When she had the heart attack, my brother called the ambulance and my Mom wouldn't let anybody call me until I got off work. I know she'd rather I make any important decisions than my brother. He's pretty useless in a crisis anyway because he falls apart. I'm pretty sure she uses me as her emergency contact or my Aunt. If something happened, she'd want me there (unless I'm at work I guess ) and I'd want to be there. But official paperwork somewhere, I'm not aware of that.This needs to change NOW. Your mother's mental capacities may be in flux at this point. Sixty-five is young, but not too young for dementia. She needs a full medical checkup. Maybe it is just drama queen complex. Maybe it's more than that. But she needs to designate a POA and medical representative. Someone who can make decisions if she cannot. This is not about her having a choice, really. And if she wants to throw a hissy fit over it, then tell her when emergency push comes to medical shove, no one will be able to help her legally if she does not make a decision. You do not want that dreaded middle-of-the-night phone call from the EMTs or a hospital, telling you the worst. Or from your hysterical brother. You need to know what to do and how to proceed. Sorry, I know all of this sounds a tad cold. But I've been through it. No, it doesn't sound cold. You're right. I'm pretty sure she'd cooperate with getting that in order if I insist on it. I can use my "I mean business" voice if I have to. She doesn't ignore that voice.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:18:43 GMT -5
I have a lot to think about, concerning my Mom AND my daughter, but I do feel better. Again, lol. Venting here and reading the replies helped me get through my anger and think instead of just acting out of anger. I'm sure that if DD and my Mom knew that you all helped me keep my cool, they'd appreciate your efforts too.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 17:20:02 GMT -5
Good point spellbound. About feeling lonely or marginalized. What does she do with herself all day? But - how much of that is Pink's responsibility? I know my mother thinks I should call more, visit more, etc. etc. I feel bad, but I just can't take it anymore. I don't know that it's her responsibility at all. Maybe she could suggest the senior center , silver sneakers, etc.... ? But yeah, I wouldn't feel it was my responsibility to solve it myself. Might help me deal with calls differently though. Maybe
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Post by saveinla on Aug 3, 2015 17:25:37 GMT -5
One other reason that I am guessing is that she is mad that your daughter is giving you trouble - no matter how old you get, you will always be her baby and she may be sad that you are hurting and is lashing out at your daughter.
Anyway, I am glad that your venting here is helping you cope with this.
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Post by Spellbound454 on Aug 3, 2015 17:27:13 GMT -5
Just what I was about to say. We are not responsible for our parents entertainment but it couldn't hurt to encourage her to spread her wings a bit. A club...or a hobby. People her own age group.....(which really isn't that old)
The interference has really got to stop though.
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 3, 2015 18:31:51 GMT -5
Just what I was about to say. We are not responsible for our parents entertainment but it couldn't hurt to encourage her to spread her wings a bit. A club...or a hobby. People her own age group.....(which really isn't that old)
The interference has really got to stop though.
My son has suggested that I take a trip on a Magic Carpet from time to time. But seriously, @pinkcshmere I am sorry you are going thru this and wish I had some words of wisdom but the only family drama I have dealt with was In-Laws and I divorced them
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Post by NoNamePerson on Aug 3, 2015 19:23:59 GMT -5
My son has suggested that I take a trip on a Magic Carpet from time to time. But seriously, @pinkcshmere I am sorry you are going thru this and wish I had some words of wisdom but the only family drama I have dealt with was In-Laws and I divorced them you don't know what you can find? I've been on a few "magic carpet" rides in my mispent youth Now I just ride my broom stick all over town
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2015 20:02:21 GMT -5
One other reason that I am guessing is that she is mad that your daughter is giving you trouble - no matter how old you get, you will always be her baby and she may be sad that you are hurting and is lashing out at your daughter. Anyway, I am glad that your venting here is helping you cope with this. I most definitely am still my Momma's baby lol. Thanks to you guys, I got myself together and called her. She said she'd wanted to call me today, but she didn't know how it would be received, so she didn't. I asked her what's going on with her. The first thing she said was that she just feels lost. She said she worries so much about her babies, her grandbabies and great-grandbabies. I believe that because my Mom has always been a huge worrier and a force to be reckoned with when it came to her family. Because DD has so many issues, she's especially worried about my grandbabies. I knew that without her saying it. And she's worried about me because she knows my kids drive me nuts sometimes. I already knew that too. I told her to keep loving us, but let us go. She's done her job, she raised her kids, and then she did some more by helping raise her grandbabies. She's a person outside of being a mother and grandmother and she needs to find something she enjoys, something that makes her smile and has nothing to do with any of us, and DO IT. Because guess what.... if you end up in a hospital or dead, all of us will still be doing whatever crazy stuff we think will make us happy and you will have made yourself miserable for nothing. We're no more important than you are, so you get to do whatever the hell you need to do to try to be happy too. She's clueless on what might bring her some joy that doesn't have anything to do with any of us, so I told her that was her homework assignment, to really think about it and see what she comes up with. I kind of gave her a lecture, but she was listening and she agreed to do her "homework". She didn't get all dramatic, we just talked. Then we went on to chit chat about the family reunion I missed and some other not-depressing things. Spellbound's post really made me think about what happened from another angle because it went along with some things I already knew. The "why" doesn't excuse the action, but getting a different perspective allowed me to be firm, but gentle instead of just angry. I honestly had no intention of talking to her again anytime soon, but I'm glad I did. I'm not responsible for my Mom's happiness but I do want her to be happy and I can encourage her to do what she needs to do to be happy. You all made some other valid points too, but we gotta start somewhere. I apologize for another long post. I got it all out, and now I'm good. My goodness, I love you guys!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 4, 2015 9:20:58 GMT -5
I'm not sure how much of it is Pink's responsibility or obligation. I do know that being proactive about her mom, as opposed to reactive, is a better idea. Better to deal with the situation now, while it's easier to do, than find her mother, sick or overdosed, on the floor of her home, or already in the ER, with doctors waiting there for someone in the family to tell them how to proceed. No one deserves to be faced with that.
In other words, get her to the doctor, and from there, she will know better what to do. If the issues are cognitive, rather than drama-based, then there are medicines, therapy, programs. If she is all "there" and just lonely and bored, there are different options. Not suggesting Pink needs to be with her mother 24/7; that's not healthy for anyone. Mom has to find and form new bonds.
My mother had to do it several times in her own life: after losing my dad at a young age, and each time she moved. She was an outgoing, friendly person with a lot of interest, so for her, it came pretty easy. I've had a very hard time making friends with women over the years since losing my best friend, a woman who left everyone and everything (including her husband and kids) behind to have an affair in another town. I've had to learn to focus on finding new and different things that interested me, and in turn, people who were also interested in those things sort of fell into place as new friends. Your mother sounds more like me; she may have to find new outside interests first, and then find new friends with whom she has those interests in common.
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Post by happyhoix on Aug 4, 2015 12:19:03 GMT -5
Just what I was about to say. We are not responsible for our parents entertainment but it couldn't hurt to encourage her to spread her wings a bit. A club...or a hobby. People her own age group.....(which really isn't that old)
The interference has really got to stop though.
Part of the problem, I'm sure, is that she doesn't have a car, and she's stuck there with her son, who is apparently also part of the problem. Pink I don't know your work schedule but maybe you can make a 'date' once or twice a month to pick up your mom and take her to lunch or dinner or maybe a shopping trip at the local mall? I know I would be stir crazy stuck in the house all the time, especially with someone who is causing me problems. If she has access to public transit, maybe you can encourage her to look into a book club at the library, or senior classes at the local college. My mom was also a first class worrier, and the more time she had on her hands the more time she had to sit and fret and sink into dark places - finding activities she can participate in (with her limited transportation) would get her mind off all her family members at least for a while. Congratulations on being able to talk to her gently, when what you really wanted to do was bop her in the head.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 4, 2015 13:18:03 GMT -5
So sorry you're having such a crappy day. You sound like a coworker and her family, there's always something going on between the 3 generations of women a nd never seeing the grandkids again is a frequent threat. That blows over once the daughter needs free childcare again. In retrospect my day has been fabulous...and stories like yours make me really glad I never had kids. I just don't get that. My parents have 10 grandkids. I have 17 cousins, most of whom are married and have kids. WE ALL MAKE A POINT TO SEE THE ASSORTED GRANDPARENTS AND OMA. But we also don't do family rifts either. If you're having an issue with anyone, keep it to yourselves because we are NOT going to be placed in the middle. And we damn well expect you to be civil if you ARE having an issue with someone. Pink, I'm sorry you had such a lousy day at work and then had family drama on top of it.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 4, 2015 13:27:43 GMT -5
One other reason that I am guessing is that she is mad that your daughter is giving you trouble - no matter how old you get, you will always be her baby and she may be sad that you are hurting and is lashing out at your daughter. Anyway, I am glad that your venting here is helping you cope with this. I most definitely am still my Momma's baby lol. Thanks to you guys, I got myself together and called her. She said she'd wanted to call me today, but she didn't know how it would be received, so she didn't. I asked her what's going on with her. The first thing she said was that she just feels lost. She said she worries so much about her babies, her grandbabies and great-grandbabies. I believe that because my Mom has always been a huge worrier and a force to be reckoned with when it came to her family. Because DD has so many issues, she's especially worried about my grandbabies. I knew that without her saying it. And she's worried about me because she knows my kids drive me nuts sometimes. I already knew that too. I told her to keep loving us, but let us go. She's done her job, she raised her kids, and then she did some more by helping raise her grandbabies. She's a person outside of being a mother and grandmother and she needs to find something she enjoys, something that makes her smile and has nothing to do with any of us, and DO IT. Because guess what.... if you end up in a hospital or dead, all of us will still be doing whatever crazy stuff we think will make us happy and you will have made yourself miserable for nothing. We're no more important than you are, so you get to do whatever the hell you need to do to try to be happy too. She's clueless on what might bring her some joy that doesn't have anything to do with any of us, so I told her that was her homework assignment, to really think about it and see what she comes up with. I kind of gave her a lecture, but she was listening and she agreed to do her "homework". She didn't get all dramatic, we just talked. Then we went on to chit chat about the family reunion I missed and some other not-depressing things. Spellbound's post really made me think about what happened from another angle because it went along with some things I already knew. The "why" doesn't excuse the action, but getting a different perspective allowed me to be firm, but gentle instead of just angry. I honestly had no intention of talking to her again anytime soon, but I'm glad I did. I'm not responsible for my Mom's happiness but I do want her to be happy and I can encourage her to do what she needs to do to be happy. You all made some other valid points too, but we gotta start somewhere. I apologize for another long post. I got it all out, and now I'm good. My goodness, I love you guys! You never need to apologize to us for long posts Pink. Never ever in a bazillion, million thousand and seventy eight days (to paraphrase my 5 year old's sense of numbers) You are good.
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Post by mmhmm on Aug 4, 2015 13:36:09 GMT -5
Pink, I'm so sorry! There is nothing worse than family drama! If mom's always been a drama queen, this is probably close to her norm under the circumstances. If you're right about her possibly having trouble with her son, that may be why all this is happening. Rather than deal with that problem head-on, she's decided it's better to stir up some trouble of her own so she can sink to her fainting couch and play martyr. I loved my mother dearly, but she's done that sort of thing. Her trick was to bring up someone's long dead major mistake and want to discuss that. Why? That's long gone and over. I finally learned to cut her off at the pass and let her know I wouldn't discuss history with her. If I'm not mistaken, it's not going to do any good to let her know what she did was unacceptable and will remain unacceptable. You've probably done that countless times. The only thing you can do is let her know you'll discuss nothing more important than the weather from this time forward. Then ... don't. My heart really goes out to you. This is the kind of thing that can drive one to distraction. There seems to be no workable way out!
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I'm not sure how much of it is Pink's responsibility or obligation. I do know that being proactive about her mom, as opposed to reactive, is a better idea. Better to deal with the situation now, while it's easier to do, than find her mother, sick or overdosed, on the floor of her home, or already in the ER, with doctors waiting there for someone in the family to tell them how to proceed. No one deserves to be faced with that. In other words, get her to the doctor, and from there, she will know better what to do. If the issues are cognitive, rather than drama-based, then there are medicines, therapy, programs. If she is all "there" and just lonely and bored, there are different options. Not suggesting Pink needs to be with her mother 24/7; that's not healthy for anyone. Mom has to find and form new bonds. My mother had to do it several times in her own life: after losing my dad at a young age, and each time she moved. She was an outgoing, friendly person with a lot of interest, so for her, it came pretty easy. I've had a very hard time making friends with women over the years since losing my best friend, a woman who left everyone and everything (including her husband and kids) behind to have an affair in another town. I've had to learn to focus on finding new and different things that interested me, and in turn, people who were also interested in those things sort of fell into place as new friends. Your mother sounds more like me; she may have to find new outside interests first, and then find new friends with whom she has those interests in common. My Mom had 3 good friends all my life. 2 of them have died, she still talks to the other one, but she's moved a few hours away. She use to be involved in our church. Everybody in my family went to church on Sunday mornings for as long as I can remember. She started missing Sundays and eventually stopped going to church maybe a year ago. I don't know why. She also said yesterday that she feels spiritually lost. So that's another big part of her life missing. And our little family spending time together has always been a big deal, but that's changed too. My Grandmother was kind of the glue that kept us together and she died a couple years ago. My Mom and her older sister are close (it's just the 2 of them), but my Aunt started having health issues about a year ago and now they don't see each other as often as they use to either. So there have been a lot of changes in her life and she's become isolated. I'm going to stay on her about finding something to do. She knows that once I get stuck on something, I don't let it go easily. Speaking of which, when I started changing my eating habits last year, I started talking to her about getting on board with me, because she's really overweight and has terrible eating habits. She was making half-hearted efforts, then she had the heart attack. So I got in my brother's ear too, right in front of her, about what what she needed to eat or not (hide the damn table salt! She ALWAYS adds extra salt to her food), while she was recovering. She tried to kick me out of her room lol. Yesterday when we talked, she was happy to report that she's lost 40 pounds since November and she's still working on it. Just thought I'd throw something positive in there.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:06:28 GMT -5
Just what I was about to say. We are not responsible for our parents entertainment but it couldn't hurt to encourage her to spread her wings a bit. A club...or a hobby. People her own age group.....(which really isn't that old)
The interference has really got to stop though.
Part of the problem, I'm sure, is that she doesn't have a car, and she's stuck there with her son, who is apparently also part of the problem. Pink I don't know your work schedule but maybe you can make a 'date' once or twice a month to pick up your mom and take her to lunch or dinner or maybe a shopping trip at the local mall? I know I would be stir crazy stuck in the house all the time, especially with someone who is causing me problems. If she has access to public transit, maybe you can encourage her to look into a book club at the library, or senior classes at the local college. My mom was also a first class worrier, and the more time she had on her hands the more time she had to sit and fret and sink into dark places - finding activities she can participate in (with her limited transportation) would get her mind off all her family members at least for a while. Congratulations on being able to talk to her gently, when what you really wanted to do was bop her in the head. Yes, my brother is a BIG part of the problem. His youngest son lives there too. My brother is in and out. She stays upset with my brother. I've actually tried the date thing before. And I used the exact word "date" lol. I'm going to get back to it, I just need to set some rules first lol. Yes, I did want to bop her. I'm glad I didn't. I'm pretty sure she would have bopped me back anyway, and she's bigger than me lol. Thank you.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 4, 2015 14:16:52 GMT -5
And in other good news, DD is bringing the babies to see me today. She said yesterday that my grandson wouldn't go for that nonsense about not seeing his Nana anyway lol. Everything is still not A-OK, but I'm not going to worry about it today. Today I'm going to play with the babies.
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a bazillion, million thousand and seventy eight days (to paraphrase my 5 year old's sense of numbers)
That number made me smile. Kids are so funny!
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Aug 4, 2015 14:27:50 GMT -5
Yeah, it's really funny when he gets all serious about how he hasn't had ice cream in a bazillion, million, thousand and twenty two days (or whatever number but it's going to start with bazillion, million) when he had ice cream the day before. And it kinda makes up for the whine that will include "X never ever lets me do Z"
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Post by taz157 on Aug 4, 2015 17:50:32 GMT -5
a bazillion, million thousand and seventy eight days (to paraphrase my 5 year old's sense of numbers)
That number made me smile. Kids are so funny! Yeah that!
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Post by NancysSummerSip on Aug 5, 2015 8:58:26 GMT -5
And in other good news, DD is bringing the babies to see me today. She said yesterday that my grandson wouldn't go for that nonsense about not seeing his Nana anyway lol. Everything is still not A-OK, but I'm not going to worry about it today. Today I'm going to play with the babies.I really like your attitude.
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