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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 7:59:34 GMT -5
I need to move on, so I need advice on how to survive until I get a better job(likely 6+ months if I go big and corporate) and/or the liar gets suspended/fired or I get promoted into a better back office job once our facility is finally finished and our census/budget goes back up to sustainable levels(October? November?).
So ... how do you deal with a known liar at work? She lies about things that I think are a waste of time to lie about, but she seems unable to admit 'I do not know' or 'I need to find out'. So she's said some stupid things in the past that luckily I caught right away, but it has hurt me because since she works FT Tues-Sat, she has more face time with the department heads and is told things she is supposed to pass on to both PTers. She fails on passing things down fairly often and sometimes the stuff she says other people say, well, its hard to believe. Sometimes it turns out to be mostly true, and other times - like the beautician incident it is totally made up. Beautician hates her guts now FWIW. She told everyone the beautician was not coming one of her scheduled days and it turned out she was.
She also plants stories. We are supposed to send end of shift reports every time. I think if I tattle on her, or say what actually happened I want to email from my personal Internet account so she can not see it. I wonder if she does do reports occasionally but emails from her former real estate email account(the one email account for her we have on record and do forward important stuff to). I cut her huge slack because of the death of her father and the loss of her former job, but that's been over for a few weeks.
Death to assholes!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2015 8:14:26 GMT -5
I suggest you read the book The No Asshole Rule: Building a Civilized Workplace and Surviving in one.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 8:31:24 GMT -5
Thanks DQ. Just requested that book from the library and another one mentioned in the review - The fiefdom syndrome.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 8:32:29 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Jul 28, 2015 8:33:56 GMT -5
I think I have to stay away from this thread.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 28, 2015 8:37:42 GMT -5
My only advice....keep your head down and do your job until you get something better. Well...not my only advice. I remember from another thread you were told to "document" incidents. And in this post you mention tattling. I'm just going to tell you....I've told employees to "document" incidents there were complaining about. I do it because they are chronic complainers and it gives them something to do. I'm not saying this is you. I'm just saying I'd be careful if I were you. You start tattling and documenting and you may find yourself out the door before you have secured other employment. Obviously, if there are incidents where this other employee puts you or a patient in danger, that's a different story.
You asked for advice on how to stay afloat until you get something better. Keep your head down. Keep your mouth shut. Do your job in a way that nobody will be able to find fault with. Use your home time to secure a job more to your liking. At that point, you can flip them off on your way out the door and scream "LIAR" to your heart's content. Until then, you need this so use your head.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 8:40:03 GMT -5
My only advice....keep your head down and do your job until you get something better. Well...not my only advice. I remember from another thread you were told to "document" incidents. And in this post you mention tattling. I'm just going to tell you....I've told employees to "document" incidents there were complaining about. I do it because they are chronic complainers and it gives them something to do. I'm not saying this is you. I'm just saying I'd be careful if I were you. You start tattling and documenting and you may find yourself out the door before you have secured other employment. Obviously, if there are incidents where this other employee puts you or a patient in danger, that's a different story.
You asked for advice on how to stay afloat until you get something better. Keep your head down. Keep your mouth shut. Do your job in a way that nobody will be able to find fault with. Use your home time to secure a job more to your liking. At that point, you can flip them off on your way out the door and scream "LIAR" to your heart's content. Until then, you need this so use your head. I couldn't have said it better... Just do your job, you are not there to make friends.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 8:53:01 GMT -5
My only advice....keep your head down and do your job until you get something better. Well...not my only advice. I remember from another thread you were told to "document" incidents. And in this post you mention tattling. I'm just going to tell you....I've told employees to "document" incidents there were complaining about. I do it because they are chronic complainers and it gives them something to do. I'm not saying this is you. I'm just saying I'd be careful if I were you. You start tattling and documenting and you may find yourself out the door before you have secured other employment. Obviously, if there are incidents where this other employee puts you or a patient in danger, that's a different story.
You asked for advice on how to stay afloat until you get something better. Keep your head down. Keep your mouth shut. Do your job in a way that nobody will be able to find fault with. Use your home time to secure a job more to your liking. At that point, you can flip them off on your way out the door and scream "LIAR" to your heart's content. Until then, you need this so use your head. Thanks GEL. Its a catch 22, mgmt. can not do anything about it if they do not know, but telling as you know has its own consequences. I went off on mistakes the FTer made in just one end of shift report, I agree with you head down is safer and most likely what I will continue to do.
She is just such a unrelenting ass to anyone she believes is below her, it makes me want to beat the snot out of her. I kept hoping her dissing of maintenance workers who are Hispanic would have bitten her in the ass by now. Dissing the uncle of the local HR person and asst administrator is not a choice *I* would have made.
Me and the other PTer do talk, because we experience similar crap at the hands of FTer who we were told to treat respectfully. I do want a smart phone now so I can record Princess. She supposedly told the acting up dementia patient something of the effect that 'other PTer is disrespectful, we should tell head cheese'.
Don't know, was not there, but it is definitely something she might do. She and the person hired to run the dementia program for the new building do some very odd and questionable stuff. As in might be breaking HIPPA laws and state facility regulations type stuff. IDK. I think I am in the medical version of Hogan's Heroes and a couple night nurses have already been umm relocated to other Stalags.
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Post by giramomma on Jul 28, 2015 9:07:24 GMT -5
I have a co-worker that takes credit for the work I do, publicly, in meetings. She never corrects others and never states that I'm the one actually doing the work.
She also takes credit for work/coordination that I do in email communications with others.
Here's the thing, though: my boss knows what's going on. He's let me know, that while she may say she's doing it, he knows I am. Not in public of course, but in the occasional one-on-one meetings we have.
So, whatever. We all have our flaws. I'm a control freak. I used to be the only person doing my job, for over a decade. Now there are two more of me. I'm having a hard time adjusting to being part of a team..Plus, I don't know how to work well with a peer coworker. It's rather messy now. I'm sure eventually we'll sort it out.
And, I'm sure that my work could be "questionable" because my hours are erratic. Again, those that are higher up know that I'm working hard. I could see how my coworkers might see me as hardly working.
Overall, I'm still valued. It's family supporting job and turning into a bit of a career for me.
So, I keep my head down and do my best.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2015 9:07:30 GMT -5
Me and the other PTer do talk, because we experience similar crap at the hands of FTer who we were told to treat respectfully. I do want a smart phone now so I can record Princess
Oh that is a BAD idea. Bad bad BAD idea. You could get yourself into some serious legal trouble by recording her without her approval/knowledge. You really need to read that book I recommended, this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you should to do to deal with assholes in the workplace.
And stop talking to the other PT person. I get that you feel you share common ground and can trade war stories. But here is the thing if she is willing to gossip about the FT-er with you, odds are good she is gossiping about YOU too. It's a BAD idea to bash a co-worker with another co-worker.
In fact I bet word is already spreading since you have both been warned to treat the FT-er with respect. Management has your number so I'd really stop gossiping if I were you, especially when you are on the clock.
If you must vent do it on here or to someone in RL that has no connection to your workplace.
You're giving them fuel to fire you. For whatever reason it sounds like the FT person is more important and vaulable than you are. You can disagree with it, you can cite reasons why it is wrong but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what YOU think, it matters what the powers that be think.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 9:07:59 GMT -5
I work with some people that put more effort into not doing their jobs than the effort required to just do the work. They will lie, whine or whatever when it suits them.
I've found that managers usually know who these people are. If I stay out of the drama and my bosses know they don't have to babysit me to get the job done, what other people do or don't do doesn't really affect me. It may make my progress slow or mean I can't get something done, but I usually just do something else if I can. If one of my bosses wants to know why something wasn't done, I explain what I've done and let them draw their own conclusions about the other person. I've actually told supervisors "Don't ask me about Jane, ask me about me". It's not my job to keep up with where Jane is and what Jane is doing or even to snitch on Jane. It's my supervisor's job to know what Jane is up to. I've found that avoids unnecessary conflict with my coworkers and managers. I hate being caught up in "he say, she say" stuff, so I keep my mouth shut.
With all that said, when there is a serious problem that I need to speak up about, my bosses usually take me seriously. But I only speak up about things that directly affect me and my ability to carry out my work duties.
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Post by obelisk on Jul 28, 2015 9:11:52 GMT -5
Are you hinting that your future rest on a smart phone or the purse for a smart phone. Please keep your stories straight, I am confused.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on Jul 28, 2015 9:24:12 GMT -5
I wholeheartedly agree with Drama and Pink when they say that if an employee is an actual problem, the boss probably already knows.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 10:00:31 GMT -5
Do your job, stay away from the liar as much as possible, & cover your ass. I assume people like that are manipulative & more than willing to take credit for other's work & throw you under the bus when given the opportunity.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 10:12:40 GMT -5
Me and the other PTer do talk, because we experience similar crap at the hands of FTer who we were told to treat respectfully. I do want a smart phone now so I can record Princess
Oh that is a BAD idea. Bad bad BAD idea. You could get yourself into some serious legal trouble by recording her without her approval/knowledge. You really need to read that book I recommended, this is the exact OPPOSITE of what you should to do to deal with assholes in the workplace. And stop talking to the other PT person. I get that you feel you share common ground and can trade war stories. But here is the thing if she is willing to gossip about the FT-er with you, odds are good she is gossiping about YOU too. It's a BAD idea to bash a co-worker with another co-worker. In fact I bet word is already spreading since you have both been warned to treat the FT-er with respect. Management has your number so I'd really stop gossiping if I were you, especially when you are on the clock. If you must vent do it on here or to someone in RL that has no connection to your workplace. You're giving them fuel to fire you. For whatever reason it sounds like the FT person is more important and vaulable than you are. You can disagree with it, you can cite reasons why it is wrong but at the end of the day it doesn't matter what YOU think, it matters what the powers that be think. I mostly talk to the other PT person outside of work. On our personal home phones. Much like I expect my current boss did with the former FT person. I did not know they were as tight as they were until after she was let go.
The other PTer does like to ferret things out more than I do. I think she might have been a NYC girl. I try to stay focused on what is happening and what we could do to fix or modify it. FWIW, I do not have a smart phone nor does P, the FTer, usually say something horribly incriminating in my presence. She is often gossiping or making comments about others. I know I miss lots of gossip because generally I don't talk about that very often, but I do try to touch base with various reasonable nurses, aides, and dept heads.
The FT person is not more valuable than I am. She probably is not a mole of the fixer, she just talks a good game and it is hard and inconvenient to fire/get rid of a FT receptionist given they took over a year to writeup and have grounds for the last one. I'm pretty clear on this - its not FT's self they are protecting, but their own bad choice and minimizing the regional spotlight on us. I briefly talked to my boss, because the meeting had disturbed me. She said we have never had a situation like this before. I said we have never had a person of such bad character work here in my 4 years either. My boss is unaware that P, the FTer, has been talking smack about her fairly early on. One of her catch-phrases/ideas is she(my boss), the asst admin, and the administrator of record are all too young for the responsibilities they have. While there is some merit in that idea, I have never seen any of them act like a spoiled two year old in my presence trying to whine to Mommy when they did not get their way immediately. That my fellow posters, is Princess, the supposed mature woman who is physically older than me and reliving Daddy time or something with the problem patient that arrived to the facility at most two weeks before she did.
You are right. I do need to say less to PTer and stick to what are we going to do. My boss, unlike posters here, know this is highly unusual behavior from me. I tend to be live and let live, fix it, go around it, Meh at my job. I do not set fires to put them out. I do not fan fires so they are big and I can put them out. I do however, make sure aholes do not stomp on me and learn their foot might just get bit.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 10:17:04 GMT -5
Do your job, stay away from the liar as much as possible, & cover your ass. I assume people like that are manipulative & more than willing to take credit for other's work & throw you under the bus when given the opportunity. Its hard. We have shift overlap and share the same workspace. I had been showing up as late as possible, but now the administrator wants us at the desk at shift start on weekend, so more face time with liar woman. We used to be able to get info we needed like nursing assignments and portable cell#s in the first few minutes of our shift, but that's over ... at least until further notice.
Going to log off and put away some notes & continue making lunch, etc. On the other shit front, I called my dentist only to find out the permanent crown is a minimum of 10 days to two weeks to even receive. So tomorrow on my day off, I'll go in in the morning to have the temporary one fixed up.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 28, 2015 10:17:55 GMT -5
Good luck, usually the good employee just ends up leaving. Before they get fired for some made up bullshit.
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 10:21:34 GMT -5
Do your job, stay away from the liar as much as possible, & cover your ass. I assume people like that are manipulative & more than willing to take credit for other's work & throw you under the bus when given the opportunity. Its hard. We have shift overlap and share the same workspace. I had been showing up as late as possible, but now the administrator wants us at the desk at shift start on weekend, so more face time with liar woman. We used to be able to get info we needed like nursing assignments and portable cell#s in the first few minutes of our shift, but that's over ... at least until further notice.
Being around her isn't a problem. It is a problem if you rely on her for information or rely on her to pass on information, or have to work with her directly in some way. I would try to get into the habit of emailing everything. Have something you need to make sure she knows, email it, then she can't later say you didn't tell her. If she tells you something important, ask her to email it, that way if she is making shit up, you have it on record. Cover your ass so she can't pull a he-said/she-said situation on you later & screw you over.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 10:24:50 GMT -5
There are some things I have been told off the clock that I actively made sure it was like I didn't know. Like making an agreement to put the cashbox in a different place than the FTer and other PTer did. Truthfully though, I am not much for gossip. Many times it is not a stretch because I try to actively forget things I do not need to know in favor of remembering stuff I need to and remembering all the deadlines/crap for my personal life.
Got stuff to do b4 7/31 and 8/15. Anyone want to pick a vacation week for me? I want to take a week off to protect my health and regroup. They want a month's notice on the form so, for now I am thinking of weeks like 8/30 - 9/5. Or Maybe something with labor day or the first full week in September after labor day. We never close, so not working Labor Day or around it will be considered a big deal even though we get no extra pay nor compensation for working any holiday.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2015 10:28:54 GMT -5
There is no way in hell I'd even think of recording something or someone in a medical setting. That seems like a really good way to get yourself fired for a HIPAA violation. Just think... you record your boss or another coworker, either in the background or in the conversation you are in you talk about a patient. Now you have HIPAA covered content on your phone. How are you going to secure that data... would you be able to justify having that data on your personal phone? Nope... not with a 10, 100, 1000 foot pole would I ever touch that. Seriously this just demonstrates lack of judgement. ETA: I might be getting this thread mixed up with the other.... ETAx2: If I ever found out an employee in a medical setting that I was being treated at was recording anything, I'd demand that person be fired. Especially if it were for petty interpersonal fighting. This is a very good point and an easy way to get booted out of your job. People (even physicians) have been booted out for less. If you record ANYTHING that pertains to a patient, and I see no way to control this, then you are putting the facility of being fined a LOT of $$. Most take HIPAA compliance seriously.
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Post by Opti on Jul 28, 2015 10:31:51 GMT -5
There is no way in hell I'd even think of recording something or someone in a medical setting. That seems like a really good way to get yourself fired for a HIPAA violation. Just think... you record your boss or another coworker, either in the background or in the conversation you are in you talk about a patient. Now you have HIPAA covered content on your phone. How are you going to secure that data... would you be able to justify having that data on your personal phone? Nope... not with a 10, 100, 1000 foot pole would I ever touch that. Seriously this just demonstrates lack of judgement. ETA: I might be getting this thread mixed up with the other.... ETAx2: If I ever found out an employee in a medical setting that I was being treated at was recording anything, I'd demand that person be fired. Especially if it were for petty interpersonal fighting. Thinking and doing are two very different things. Like I said, I have no need to nor do I have the capability. I am however quite sick and have been living on 4 to 6 hours of sleep a night for more than a month. I have to fend off a known dangerous patient most of my shift and talk people out of the idea of setting him behind me in reception.
But please be clear, I thought of this for other employee. It would be employee recording other employee. Not sure how that would involve HIPPA. (She won't do it either, but it is nice to fantasize about given we have security cameras up in various places in the building.)
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Post by Tiny on Jul 28, 2015 10:31:56 GMT -5
I don't really have a suggestion or an idea for you - I haven't really followed the whole story...
You don't have to answer/reply to this... I'm just pondering... I will admit I'm baffled as to why your office/workplace is run via Word of Mouth (it's the 21st century). Why does the Full Timer have the responsibility of relaying basic Daily Info to the Part timers - isn't there a email system or big white board in the "employee room" where info for the day can be posted so that EVERYONE gets the same info?
Why does the Full Timer relay information about other people being in or out of the office BY word of mouth? Isnt' there an online "shift calendar" that someone updates on a daily basis OR maybe a daily email that goes out to EVERYONE about who's in/out of the office OR again - a big White Board in the "employee room" where the schedules and who's in/out is posted for all to see? I'm not sure why the Full Timer has so much "power" over the in/out of important office information? Maybe the info isn't really all that important in the big office picture - but you (the generic you) are assuming it is or giving it alot of importance - and it's really just a case of the 'small stuff' being very big and annoying?
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Post by Angel! on Jul 28, 2015 10:41:06 GMT -5
There are some things I have been told off the clock that I actively made sure it was like I didn't know. Like making an agreement to put the cashbox in a different place than the FTer and other PTer did. Truthfully though, I am not much for gossip. Many times it is not a stretch because I try to actively forget things I do not need to know in favor of remembering stuff I need to and remembering all the deadlines/crap for my personal life.
I am however quite sick and have been living on 4 to 6 hours of sleep a night for more than a month. 1) Write things down so you aren't stressed trying to remember & juggle everything.
2) Get more sleep
I don't know everything going on in your life or your work. But, I do see post after post about craziness in your workplace. Your workplace seems to be filled with drama & gossip & all sorts of crazy people. Maybe find a new job. Alternatively, if you are constantly having problems with tons of people in your life, sometimes you may need to stop & look in the mirror. Sometimes the problem isn't everyone else, but it is you & how you handle things. Sometimes reading your posts I get the feeling you make things much more complicated than they need to be & read too much into things. Find a way to simplify your life & get rid of stress.
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 28, 2015 10:43:36 GMT -5
How do you deal with liars at work? I don't know. I'd have to ask my coworkers.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 28, 2015 10:46:49 GMT -5
How do you deal with liars at work? I don't know. I'd have to ask my coworkers. Honesty... How refreshing
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Post by Deleted on Jul 28, 2015 12:01:35 GMT -5
... Sometimes reading your posts I get the feeling you make things much more complicated than they need to be & read too much into things...
That's exactly what I was going to say!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on Jul 28, 2015 12:07:43 GMT -5
But please be clear, I thought of this for other employee. It would be employee recording other employee. Not sure how that would involve HIPPA
Because recorders pick up ANYTHING within range. If someone is talking within range to a patient and your recorder picks that up you are going to be in deep shit b/c you do not have the patient's consent and it's on an unsecured phone.
That's actually a jailable offense under HIPAA and you'll also be fined out your freaking eyeballs. You think you have money problems now . .
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Post by ArchietheDragon on Jul 28, 2015 12:09:19 GMT -5
But please be clear, I thought of this for other employee. It would be employee recording other employee. Not sure how that would involve HIPPABecause recorders pick up ANYTHING within range. If someone is talking to a patient and your recorder picks that up you are going to be in deep shit b/c you do not have the patient's consent and it's on an unsecured phone. That's actually a jailable offense under HIPAA and you'll also be fined out your freaking eyeballs. You think you have money problems now . . At least she could become someone's bitch in jail. I have seen Orange is the New Black. Those jails are hot and steamy.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 28, 2015 12:30:41 GMT -5
But please be clear, I thought of this for other employee. It would be employee recording other employee. Not sure how that would involve HIPPABecause recorders pick up ANYTHING within range. If someone is talking within range to a patient and your recorder picks that up you are going to be in deep shit b/c you do not have the patient's consent and it's on an unsecured phone. That's actually a jailable offense under HIPAA and you'll also be fined out your freaking eyeballs. You think you have money problems now . . Anything that involves patients is a problem. At the medical center where I worked, there were signs in the elevators asking doctors not to discuss patients in public, including elevators. Recording in a medical setting where you have no control over what's being recorded is going to wind you up in a world of shit. Not only is the individual fined, the facility is also fined. Honestly, if you don't see how this involves HIPAA, you need further training. This is alarming to me of you don't understand how this works.
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Post by Abby Normal on Jul 28, 2015 12:39:26 GMT -5
I think it depends on the nature of the lie and what it effects. We have one person who lies constantly to cover her inadequacies. She has her boss snowed, but I can see through it because I have to fix her issues. And I learned her tell. I always try and have the conversation in front of her boss (they share an office so that is usually fairly easy) and just keep asking questions until her lie falls apart. She'll always give a quick answer to try and get me to go away, and it's really quite satisfying to watch her get caught up in it.
But many years ago, I worked with a woman who I am convinced was a pathological liar. It was hell and she was very good at it. She would never tell a lie with a witness, it was always 1 on 1. Then deny she said anything when questioned later. The lies she told about her outside life- I didn't care about. But the ones that effected work created a really toxic environment. The biggest of which she was going around saying she had a relationship with the newly divorced son of the owner. It was wierd, but not impossible. Coffee dates, phone calls etc. I finally asked him and he said that the "coffee date" was that he ran into her in the local mall and he happened to be drinking coffee. They talked for a few minutes. The phone call was something she called him about.
It went on for a couple months and we couldn't pin her down. She finally made the mistake of telling a big one (work related) where there was a witness to corroborate. They were in a next door office and had overheard. We fired her. BUT IT WAS HELL.
I did laugh a few months later when I was at home sick and watching a repeat of a talk show. I'll be damned if they weren't talking of a story she said happen to her. She was a big fan of the show and watched it daily.
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