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Post by billisonboard on Sept 4, 2016 23:22:43 GMT -5
... if your point is "many people are as qualified as Clinton", i concede that. now, in turn, i would like you to concede that it has absolutely no relevance because....wait for it..... they are not running! ... I was one of a large number of volunteers facilitating on a Challenge (Ropes) Course. The paid manager job came open, I applied, and got the position. Another volunteer commented that she should have applied because she was more qualified than I and thus would have gotten the job. I told her she had shown she lacked a critical requirement for doing the job, the belief in herself that she was qualified to do the job. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 4, 2016 23:24:39 GMT -5
... if your point is "many people are as qualified as Clinton", i concede that. now, in turn, i would like you to concede that it has absolutely no relevance because....wait for it..... they are not running! ... I was one of a large number of volunteers facilitating on a Challenge (Ropes) Course. The paid manager job came open, I applied, and got the position. Another volunteer commented that she should have applied because she was more qualified than I and thus would have gotten the job. I told her she had shown she lacked a critical requirement for doing the job, the belief in herself that she was qualified to do the job. i would love to have seen the reaction to that. |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 4, 2016 23:46:29 GMT -5
I was one of a large number of volunteers facilitating on a Challenge (Ropes) Course. The paid manager job came open, I applied, and got the position. Another volunteer commented that she should have applied because she was more qualified than I and thus would have gotten the job. I told her she had shown she lacked a critical requirement for doing the job, the belief in herself that she was qualified to do the job. i would love to have seen the reaction to that. We were working in a field that values critical self-evaluation. Her reaction was actually appreciation. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:56:50 GMT -5
Madonna was also on Time Magazine's list of 25 most powerful women of the past century. Didn't you read the article you posted a link to? now, in turn, i would like you to concede that it has absolutely no relevance because....wait for it..... they are not running! you can post links about them all night, if you like. but please let me know in advance so i can find something else to do. My point was many people are as CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified as Clinton. But the article's author using "she was on Time's 25 best list" isn't of any relevance because there are others just as unworthy of being President as she is on THAT list. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2016 23:59:41 GMT -5
PS- i can appreciate you not wanting to defend Trump. neither do i. i won't ask you how Johnson is qualified. he is. you want to talk about Jill Stein?  Naaah... Johnson has a shot (granted, a LOT of stars and planets would have to align just right... but at least it's a possibility), whereas Jill Stein has no shot what-so-ever (even though she is more qualified that either Hillary or Trump). |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 0:00:44 GMT -5
You're kidding, right? Democratic gubernatorial candidates in red states trying to run as more conservative because, surprise, they are trying to appeal to more conservative voters has pretty much zero relevance to the discussion. The argument is that many Republican leaders and officials are repudiating the Trump candidacy in its entirety, from speaking out against him to vowing to support Hillary to not even showing up at the Republican convention. There was a reason that the Democratic convention had an A-list of speakers every night, while the Republicans were basically left with third-rate actors, long-past never-was politicians, and preachers who like to make up most of their official biography. Grasping at straws is not an effective debate technique. Just sayin' If you'd quit changing your argument... I'd have a lot less trouble keeping up. Just sayin' |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2016 0:05:52 GMT -5
if your point is "many people are as qualified as Clinton", i concede that.now, in turn, i would like you to concede that it has absolutely no relevance because....wait for it..... they are not running! you can post links about them all night, if you like. but please let me know in advance so i can find something else to do. My point was many people are as CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified as Clinton. But the article's author using "she was on Time's 25 best list" isn't of any relevance because there are others just as unworthy of being President as she is on THAT list. like i say, i consider that a rather minor point. if you want to dispense with it, that's fine with me. however, madonna isn't running, neither is anyone else on that list. so, whether you think it matters or not, the point that "she is the only one with X qualifications who is seeking the office" stands. |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 0:11:54 GMT -5
You're kidding, right? Democratic gubernatorial candidates in red states trying to run as more conservative because, surprise, they are trying to appeal to more conservative voters has pretty much zero relevance to the discussion. The argument is that many Republican leaders and officials are repudiating the Trump candidacy in its entirety, from speaking out against him to vowing to support Hillary to not even showing up at the Republican convention. There was a reason that the Democratic convention had an A-list of speakers every night, while the Republicans were basically left with third-rate actors, long-past never-was politicians, and preachers who like to make up most of their official biography. Grasping at straws is not an effective debate technique. Just sayin' If you'd quit changing your argument... I'd have a lot less trouble keeping up. Just sayin' Best advice I can offer right now is this: When in a hole, stop digging.  |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 1:15:16 GMT -5
My point was many people are as CONSTITUTIONALLY qualified as Clinton. But the article's author using "she was on Time's 25 best list" isn't of any relevance because there are others just as unworthy of being President as she is on THAT list. like i say, i consider that a rather minor point. if you want to dispense with it, that's fine with me. however, madonna isn't running, neither is anyone else on that list. so, whether you think it matters or not, the point that "she is the only one with X qualifications who is seeking the office" stands. But my point of those "qualifications" are utterly meaningless also stands. Yes... she has them. So what? I own a washer and dryer... does that mean I'm qualified to pilot an airplane... just because I apply for the job? |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2016 1:15:56 GMT -5
If you'd quit changing your argument... I'd have a lot less trouble keeping up. Just sayin' Best advice I can offer right now is this: When in a hole, stop digging. Good advice. Maybe you should take it. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 5, 2016 9:04:23 GMT -5
From what job was Hillary Clinton fired? Secretary of State.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 5, 2016 9:20:50 GMT -5
Uh, no, I wasn't. But you go on believing and spouting right-wing talking points. It's certainly the easier path to take.  You edited your post. Nice job. That's certainly an easier path to take LoL. Hmmm. Easily verified to whether this was done or not. |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 9:26:34 GMT -5
Uh, no, I wasn't. But you go on believing and spouting right-wing talking points. It's certainly the easier path to take. You edited your post. Nice job. That's certainly an easier path to take LoL. Which one? You quoted #4646. Not edited. You then quoted #4652. Also not edited. Did we have another interaction here, or are you merely trying to misdirect and hoping nobody will go back and check? You can easily see that none of my posts here have been edited. One thought: Are you utterly incapable of recognizing the humor and sarcasm of #4666? Is that what you are hanging your hat on? |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 9:35:53 GMT -5
Also not edited, and perfectly consistent with everything I have said here. Ever.
Do you have a point? Ever?
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 5, 2016 9:37:45 GMT -5
Ratchets, hilarious you like the post #4698
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 9:38:35 GMT -5
Ratchets , hilarious you like the post #4698 LMAO! |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 9:45:05 GMT -5
First, there is no change of subject there, and again it is perfectly consistent with everything I have ever said. Second, if someone is capable of talking about ideas I am quite happy to do so. That unfortunately does not appear to include you.  |
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Post by billisonboard on Sept 5, 2016 9:55:01 GMT -5
... What people post is easily verified. And what they edit, which is what you in a derisive tone erroneously claimed was done. |
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Post by tallguy on Sept 5, 2016 9:57:03 GMT -5
Ratchets , hilarious you like the post #4698 Why's that? I didn't see it the first time reading through, but then did the second time. So I cut and pasted what he said which was most definitely about Hillary Clinton (unless Donald Trump was a first lady at some point and I missed it). I think you are right. What people post is easily verified. Oh, I get it. You quote one post, which clearly says "Donald Trump" and then quote a different post about Hillary Clinton and somehow manage to think they are the same. Got it. |
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Post by dezailoooooo on Sept 5, 2016 11:05:38 GMT -5
why do people make statements that they really don't have any idea if they are true or not "why she got fired" I did some googling..I am also pretty aware politically..am a very good observer..Never have I seen any proof that Hillery was fired from her last job..Secretary of..and supposedly she was commended by , of all folks..opposition folks..fellow Senators [ done off the recoprd..privatly..]but on the GOP side..on what kind of senator she was..also reelected by her constituents.. As far as what kind of POTUS she would be? Who really knows on any who sit in that chair..and who makes that determination anyway. Case in point..I feel Obama has been a very good POTUS..close to great..others feel the same way. You and others may feel the exact opposite...[many do] I feel much of his opposition both by elected officials as well general public came about because there are folks out there..both elected and private..that are real unhappy there was a person of color in that office. l know many, possible you, then will call out , "playing the race card.." Sorry..doesn't change a thing..race had a lot to do with what was going down..especially first term but always there in some way or another. Considering all that..he did a great job IMHO. However...with all that being said..none of us here , I..you..other posters here have the expertise to state unequivently who is or who isn't qualified for that office...just keep open mind..wing it..hope for the best..though in the Donalds case....[can't believe that party opted out for him..he is their spokesperson and the crap he continues to spout against groups and individuals..personnel utterings..makes no sense..] "Never have I seen any proof that Hillery was fired from her last job.." Never have you seen any guilt in whitewater or Benghazi or....or...or...of course you don't see it because you don't want to. It doesn't mean that it doesn't exist or it didn't happen. l know many, possible you, then will call out , "playing the race card.." It might surprise you that many...possibly me...have never called out a race card. But you seem to go to that argument pretty quick...so who's playing the race card now . "However...with all that being said..none of us here , I..you..other posters here have the expertise to state unequivently who is or who isn't qualified for that office..." This is a forum where people post their opinions. Just because Democrats...slightly leaning left of center...rule the forum doesn't mean that people can't post their opinion on who they think should or shouldn't be in office. It's also a bit ironic that you say nobody here has the expertise to state who is or isn't qualified for office when we are all voters. Maybe here you rule the roost so to speak due to the biased moderation, but out in the real world our votes are equal. Believe it or not, we are both equally qualified to choose who we want to be our president. If it's any consolation Hillary will be our next president. So you can take comfort in that I guess. Ratch...did some very quick googling...depending on which thread you want to use , the cost of the Clinton wrong doing investigatons seem to run between $70 /80 million..White Water alone $39 million...ken Star , special prosecutor..himself apologizing recently for his obsessions with the Clintons...and after all that time, 4 1/2 years..money spent..[wasted]..what wrong doing was found? zilch..nada..nothing..no wrong doing found...yet here u are bringing it up again. With all those witnesses called, $ spent and nada on whatever he was looking for..? Possible Mr. Star is not the only one with Clinton obsession...just a thought. Bengazi...not sure what purposful mistake the secretary comitted there. Possible should have pulled people out of there..send in the Marines...then how many and no we don't have battalions of such for embassy protection on hand..u know that. If she had ordered..not sure if it is in her perogative to do such ordering actually..say what , a squad of reinforcements, a platoon? ..Don't believe that many marines available as reserves....would anything have changed that tragedy? Not sure what she should have done differently..Since your one making complaints, possible you can suggest what you think she should have done that she didn't..I will be open minded about it.. As far as forum being ruled as u feel by a more liberal element..don't see that being a problem as far as those who maintain order here..moderators..seem very fair to me..also, honestly, don't see anomosity or bad tempers springing up here..even disagreements are very civil IMHO.
As far as the race card..I stand by that post...In my opinion I believe many of our current Presidents problems with Congress..the "No" factor was because if his skin color...not saying you felt that way ot anyone here on this forum but to say it was not a factor , not a real happening..? nough said...
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 5, 2016 11:32:19 GMT -5
From what job was Hillary Clinton fired? Secretary of State. What makes you think she was fired? A more logical assumption (since there's no evidence she was fired) is that she stepped down in order to run for president. It seems to me I remember her stating she'd only serve one term when she accepted the position in the first place, but my memory may be faulty there. It does make sense, however, if she intended to take another shot at the presidency when Obama's terms were over. With the demands placed on the Secretary of State, it would be impossible to hold that position while running for office. |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 5, 2016 11:35:30 GMT -5
Uh, no, I wasn't. But you go on believing and spouting right-wing talking points. It's certainly the easier path to take. You edited your post. Nice job. That's certainly an easier path to take LoL. No, tallguy did not edit his post. That's easy to verify, Ratchets. Stop making baseless accusations. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2016 12:10:14 GMT -5
like i say, i consider that a rather minor point. if you want to dispense with it, that's fine with me. however, madonna isn't running, neither is anyone else on that list. so, whether you think it matters or not, the point that "she is the only one with X qualifications who is seeking the office" stands. But my point of those "qualifications" are utterly meaningless also stands. Yes... she has them. So what? all of them? REALLY? I own a washer and dryer... does that mean I'm qualified to pilot an airplane... just because I apply for the job? i asked you before what qualifications WOULD be meaningful. you didn't answer. please do so now, because i really can't figure it out. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2016 12:14:32 GMT -5
First, there is no change of subject there, and again it is perfectly consistent with everything I have ever said. Second, if someone is capable of talking about ideas I am quite happy to do so. That unfortunately does not appear to include you. Yeah well there you go with the insults again. Whether it was consistent or not was not the point. You got butt-hurt about being called out for going off topic, so you lashed out. And your still butt-hurt so you're still lashing out. If you want to get back on topic nobody is stopping you . doctor, heal thyself. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2016 12:22:22 GMT -5
You edited your post. Nice job. That's certainly an easier path to take LoL. No, tallguy did not edit his post. That's easy to verify, Ratchets. Stop making baseless accusations. that should limit the post count. |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 5, 2016 12:32:06 GMT -5
No, tallguy did not edit his post. That's easy to verify, Ratchets. Stop making baseless accusations. that should limit the post count. LOL! If that's the price we must pay to stop the bloody, damned nastiness, I'm more than willing! If folks will simply confine their posting to the subjects under discussion and quit targeting one another there will be little need for moderation. |
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Post by Tennesseer on Sept 5, 2016 13:00:55 GMT -5
First, there is no change of subject there, and again it is perfectly consistent with everything I have ever said. Second, if someone is capable of talking about ideas I am quite happy to do so. That unfortunately does not appear to include you. Whether it was consistent or not was not the point. You got butt-hurt about being called out for going off topic, so you lashed out. And your still butt-hurt so you're still lashing out. If you want to get back on topic nobody is stopping you . Are you forgetting the insult you threw out at three posters yesterday before a moderator deleted it? I saw it. I know what you wrote on the 'Two and two' thread. You ain't no saint either, ratchets. |
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Post by mmhmm on Sept 5, 2016 14:10:31 GMT -5
Please, all of you, stick to the subject of the thread. Any posts directed at posters will be removed without notice from this point forward. Enough is enough!
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Post by djAdvocate on Sept 5, 2016 14:21:25 GMT -5
from a polling standpoint, this is an interesting race.
on one side, we have IBD, LA Times, and Reuters, which basically show the race as tied (or Trump with a small lead).
on the other side, we have everyone else, which show Clinton with a small but persistent lead.
so, no matter who you are, you can point to this poll and that, and support your view.
is there any way to make all of this data match, within the 95% certainty range?
if we take the highest polls for Trump and add in MOE favorable to Clinton, we get C+2.5, C+4.4, and C+4
if we take the highest polls for Clinton and subtract MOE, we get C+3.3, C+4, C+3
as you can see, those are all pretty close numbers, but the LA Times is clearly an outlier. until recently, they didn't even post an MOE. now, they do, and it is the largest MOE of the agencies, even though their sample size is huge. if we assume that Clinton is +4, it falls within MOE for every poll other than the LA Times.
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