I was right: President Elect Trump

[dondub]

Well THAT proves it!

[billisonboard]

Jul 28, 2016 17:28:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

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So the Sanders' supporters were able to vote for him during the roll call. How was she silenced?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 28, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 28, 2016 17:28:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

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So the Sanders' supporters were able to vote for him during the roll call. How was she silenced?

The Sanders people are nuts.  The problem is that the nuts are a good chunk of the mainstream Democratic Party these days.  The nominee is an Alinsky disciple whose early work was editor of a lunatic publication that advocated cop-killing-- well, that is when she wasn't working for a law firm run by communists that defended, among others, Huey Newton.

[dondub]

At least she isn't an exceedingly paranoid squawk boxer like so many of her detractors.

[Opti]

Jul 28, 2016 17:46:43 GMT -5 dondub said:

Well THAT proves it!

Wow, a probable Bernie supporter has two markers and brought blue tape with her. Should I be clapping or what?

[Deleted]

Rass has Hilary up by 1? 

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2016 20:27:04 GMT -5 oped said:

Rass has Hilary up by 1? 

oddly, they had Trump up by 7 a week BEFORE the GOP convention.  they are the only pollster that shows her gaining that much.

needless to say, i don't believe it.  but i don't believe the CNN poll, either (the one that showed Trump +10).

[Deleted]

I know. I honestly don't know what they do over there...

[djAdvocate]

Jul 28, 2016 20:44:07 GMT -5 oped said:

I know. I honestly don't know what they do over there...

i do.  it is not fraudulent, it is just sloppy.

one of the things they do wrong is that if they fail to reach someone, they don't call back.  what that does is biases their polling to people that sit around the phone all day.  those tend to be older people.  who tend to be more conservative.  thus.....+5% conservative bias.

they make tons of other mistakes.  mistakes that are bourne by laziness, failure to compensate for laziness, and just utter lack of caring.

they have had 5 years to get it right, and are still getting it wrong.  why people still pay attention to them is beyond me.

probably the same reason that Trump gets attention: if you light your hair on fire, people will look.

[steff]

Jul 28, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

Jul 28, 2016 17:28:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

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So the Sanders' supporters were able to vote for him during the roll call. How was she silenced?

Unlike Cruz supporters who WERE silenced by the RNC.  

[Virgil Showlion]

Jul 28, 2016 14:08:59 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

That one's kind of cute. It's definitely not the one they had on the cover of the bat conservatory magazine. It was a hideous red bug-eyed thing.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 28, 2016 20:29:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 28, 2016 20:27:04 GMT -5 oped said:

Rass has Hilary up by 1? 

oddly, they had Trump up by 7 a week BEFORE the GOP convention.  they are the only pollster that shows her gaining that much.

needless to say, i don't believe it.  but i don't believe the CNN poll, either (the one that showed Trump +10).

I still maintain that the Treehouse theory holds- until it doesn't. That is- based upon results from the last 8 elections, Trump has a pocket 7 million votes that aren't being polled.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 28, 2016 21:27:18 GMT -5 steff said:

Jul 28, 2016 18:01:11 GMT -5 billisonboard said:

So the Sanders' supporters were able to vote for him during the roll call. How was she silenced?

Unlike Cruz supporters who WERE silenced by the RNC.  

That, too, is a bunch of hooey. Cruz supporters did not have the votes- in short, they lost.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 29, 2016 6:23:07 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

Jul 28, 2016 18:21:02 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

The Sanders people are nuts.  The problem is that the nuts are a good chunk of the mainstream democratic party these days.  The nominee is an Alinsky disciple whose early work was editor of a lunatic publication that advocated cop-killing-- well, that is when she wasn't working for a law firm run by communists that defended, among others, Huey Newton.

The Sanders people are great.  Many of them are new to the process.  Many of them either never voted before or voted occasionally and half heartedly.  They were so energized and excited by the process this time around.  They found a message they believed in, and they worked for it.

Our Caucus was packed to the rafters with them.  You could certainly feel the energy- The "Bern" if you will.  I was a Hillary supporter, and we were the minority.  But I had to admire their enthusiasm and energy- and certainly their numbers. 

Of course they were disappointed.  And being new to the process, loss is even harder to take.  But they were there.  On the inside. 

What, exactly, do Bernie supporters believe in? What are the principles of a Sanders presidency? I heard a lot of jargon (much of it overlaps with Trump's jargon, btw) about immigration, trade, big corporations and big banks buying candidates, and the standard left wing "free stuff" in response to problems caused by government-- but I never understood exactly what I was supposed to vote for Bernie Sanders for in hopes of getting?  To me Sanders and Trump supporters are separated by a few degrees. Their base of support comes from people who look around and they see the world they knew gone. Once prosperous cities where high paying union jobs, jobs in manufacturing, energy, agriculture, and mining are gone and no one seems to care-- no one seems to be listening to the people affected.  

And neither Bernie, nor Trump is telling the truth about it. Sure, Trump is correct that there's little sense in regulating our own energy industry out of business. We can read and actually enforce the provisions of trade deals- we DO have the cookie. Other countries want access to the US consumer-- and they should pony up for it.

But for the most part, we're dealing with a world that is rapidly developing, and/or chasing after the same comfortable standard of living we enjoy here-- and we're 3% of the world's population. That = competition, and a global leveling of wages which no one is going to be able to do a damn thing about. That doesn't even address the $21 trillion in debt used to mask this fact and placate the masses.

The theory that economic downturns are temporary, and they can be softened by government expansion is done. There's no comeback. We are going to have to sop up the liquidity-- that means inflation even if (especially if) we get growing again, that means rising interest rates, and THAT means the debt service is going to take up more and more of the US budget-- and that means telling a whole bunch of people: sorry, but no.

[happyhoix]

Jul 29, 2016 6:05:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 28, 2016 20:29:06 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

oddly, they had Trump up by 7 a week BEFORE the GOP convention.  they are the only pollster that shows her gaining that much.

needless to say, i don't believe it.  but i don't believe the CNN poll, either (the one that showed Trump +10).

I still maintain that the Treehouse theory holds- until it doesn't. That is- based upon results from the last 8 elections, Trump has a pocket 7 million votes that aren't being polled.

Yes, we know.

The magic umpa lumpa voters.

[Tennesseer]

Jul 29, 2016 8:10:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 29, 2016 6:05:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I still maintain that the Treehouse theory holds- until it doesn't. That is- based upon results from the last 8 elections, Trump has a pocket 7 million votes that aren't being polled.

Yes, we know.

The magic umpa lumpa voters.

Treehouses and the trees which hold them eventually fall down due to age and disease.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2016 8:10:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Jul 29, 2016 6:05:39 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

I still maintain that the Treehouse theory holds- until it doesn't. That is- based upon results from the last 8 elections, Trump has a pocket 7 million votes that aren't being polled.

Yes, we know.

The magic umpa lumpa voters.

is it just me, or does the repetition of this claim make it seem LESS plausible over time?

[Pants]

Jul 29, 2016 12:57:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2016 8:10:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yes, we know.

The magic umpa lumpa voters.

is it just me, or does the repetition of this claim make it seem LESS plausible over time?

I just snorted out loud in my cubicle. Well done! 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 29, 2016 12:57:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2016 8:10:38 GMT -5 happyhoix said:

Yes, we know.

The magic umpa lumpa voters.

is it just me, or does the repetition of this claim make it seem LESS plausible over time?

You have thus far failed to respond to the data they've provided at their site- and the previous predictions based on the same data going back 8 elections which were all correct. This one is as yet untested- but what you really have to do in order to dismiss it is explain why *this time* the outcome will be different?

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

We're not even close to the heat of the election yet. Trump has allowed LCH a nice cozy honeymoon period where he hasn't even really started in on her. Nor, btw, have the pacs. Say what you will about Trump- nobody has anything CLOSE to the kind of repugnant record of behavior Hillary Clinton has in her past. Just thought you should know...

[Tennesseer]

Jul 29, 2016 18:29:10 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

We're not even close to the heat of the election yet. Trump has allowed LCH a nice cozy honeymoon period where he hasn't even really started in on her. Nor, btw, have the pacs. Say what you will about Trump- nobody has anything CLOSE to the kind of repugnant record of behavior Hillary Clinton has in her past. Just thought you should know...

Who is LCH? Is that an acronym to get around the board rule about name calling political candidates?

[Shooby]

Lock her up!

[Opti]

I remember how happy someone was about the below commercial. I'm wondering when the fall out begins, because honestly I can't think of anyone who does everything to become President/market himself more than the guy that is the topic of this commercial.

[Opti]

Even the good things supposedly done by Trump don't materialize as expected. I'll keep looking for the stories on how that veteran fundraising money did quite end up where it should have nor in a timely fashion but for now there is this-

Liberty House’s experience confirms many things we already knew or suspected about at least some of Trump’s donations to veterans’ charities. The vetting of Liberty House was so brief as to be almost nonexistent, at least as far as we can see; the Trump campaign wanted the award to be part of a political event; the money donated to Liberty House was not only not Trump’s, it never even passed through Trump’s foundation. But, on the other hand, this veteran’s group handled itself with sovereign dignity and financial wisdom when faced with a highly charged and politicized situation and this will likely serve them well with other donors.

Howard saw the oversized award check and noted the payor was identified as the Donald J. Trump Foundation. However, the actual check Liberty House received was from the Stuart J. Rahr Foundation, whose webpage features a photo of Rahr with Donald and Melania Trump, former President Bill Clinton, and Michael Milken. The foundation’s GuideStar report includes Form 990 information showing assets of about $107 million and annual gifts of about $16.5 million.

nonprofitquarterly.org/2016/06/07/trump-donation-to-vets-charity-one-grantees-experience/

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

MONSTER VOTE TRIPWIRE ALERT
theconservativetreehouse.com/2016/07/29/tripwire-alert-u-s-chamber-of-commerce-lobbyist-dnc-convention-speaker-predicts-clinton-will-support-tpp/

U.S. Chamber of Commerce Lobbyist, DNC Convention Speaker, Predicts Clinton Will Support TPP…

A good breakdown of a specific DNC convention speaker Jennifer Lim at The Intercept, outlines what we have been discussing for over four years. Wall Street, via The U.S. Chamber of Commerce (Tom Donohue President) will support Hillary Clinton in the 2016 election.

Jennifer Lim (pictured below left) was presented to the DNC Convention audience as the co-founder of Republican women for Hillary. What the DNC did not tell the audience was Lim’s day job as a lobbyist for the U.S. Chamber of Commerce.

[Opti]

I haven't watched much of Trevor Noah, but I found this very powerful video. Worth a watch especially if you feel Trump is harmless.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2016 18:27:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 29, 2016 12:57:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

is it just me, or does the repetition of this claim make it seem LESS plausible over time?

You have thus far failed to respond to the data they've provided at their site-

i'm pretty sure i responded to it.  it was a fairly terse response, tho.

and the previous predictions based on the same data going back 8 elections which were all correct. This one is as yet untested- but what you really have to do in order to dismiss it is explain why *this time* the outcome will be different?

if Nate Silver can be wrong, so can you.

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 29, 2016 20:45:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

Jul 29, 2016 18:27:11 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

You have thus far failed to respond to the data they've provided at their site-

i'm pretty sure i responded to it.  it was a fairly terse response, tho.

and the previous predictions based on the same data going back 8 elections which were all correct. This one is as yet untested- but what you really have to do in order to dismiss it is explain why *this time* the outcome will be different?

if Nate Silver can be wrong, so can you.

I could be. But he is- and has been. Let's see, when did...oh, yeah- here it is: Thread started Jul 27, 2015 at 6:55pm   Do not doubt me. 

[AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP]

Jul 29, 2016 20:43:08 GMT -5 Opti said:

I haven't watched much of Trevor Noah, but I found this very powerful video. Worth a watch especially if you feel Trump is harmless.

It's nonsense of course, but I did find it funny at times. The outsourcing comment was good.    I do find it interesting the sudden interest in national security re: Hillary's private email server and the 33,000 deleted emails about yoga lessons and Chelsea's wedding.

[djAdvocate]

Jul 29, 2016 20:51:40 GMT -5 AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP said:

Jul 29, 2016 20:45:37 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

if Nate Silver can be wrong, so can you.

I could be. But he is- and has been. Let's see, when did...oh, yeah- here it is: Thread started Jul 27, 2015 at 6:55pm   Do not doubt me. 

he might win.  he might not.  right now, i put him as a 2:3 underdog.