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Post by billisonboard on Aug 25, 2015 8:39:12 GMT -5
I think that there is going to be an interesting battle over how delegates to the GOP National Convention are allocated from primary results. Trump has set things up well with his call to be "treated fairly". If party officials really push for proportional allocation, we will hear howls from Trump. If they win, that is how I see Trump leaving the race. If he stays in that situation, I don't think he will have the delegates to win on a first ballot. I don't think he nor Bush will be the nominee if things play out this way. A John Kasich type would be likely.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 9:58:15 GMT -5
I think that there is going to be an interesting battle over how delegates to the GOP National Convention are allocated from primary results. Trump has set things up well with his call to be "treated fairly". If party officials really push for proportional allocation, we will hear howls from Trump. If they win, that is how I see Trump leaving the race. If he stays in that situation, I don't think he will have the delegates to win on a first ballot. I don't think he nor Bush will be the nominee if things play out this way. A John Kasich type would be likely. The establishment cannot, with credibility, change the rules in the middle of the game. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:06:11 GMT -5
Why are we talking about the confederate flag? . it is called an analogy. don't get your panties in a twist about it. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 10:07:01 GMT -5
Why are we talking about the confederate flag? . it is called an analogy. don't get your panties in a twist about it. It'd be a better analogy if it actually applied to anything. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:07:36 GMT -5
... Donald Trump: Simply Unstoppable. Exclusive: Barry Farber Declares, "He may carry all 50 states"... August 8, 2012
Romney and the Chick-fil-A Battle
By Stu Tarlowe
Conservative Talk Radio icon Barry Farber, in a column appearing Aug. 8 on World Net Daily, predicts a landslide victory for Romney, or rather a landslide against Obama.
www.americanthinker.com/blog/2012/08/romney_and_the_chick-fil-a_battle.html#ixzz3jpfa6QSt Don't doubt Barry Farber. Ever. and yet, it seems that the same idiots that were wrong last time are still trusted to predict what will do. i think i am going with Nate Silver. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:08:55 GMT -5
it is called an analogy. don't get your panties in a twist about it. It'd be a better analogy if it actually applied to anything. it did apply to something: tastes and preferences of INDIVIDUALS. no matter how distasteful, you can find SOMEONE that likes that distasteful thing. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:09:55 GMT -5
I think that there is going to be an interesting battle over how delegates to the GOP National Convention are allocated from primary results. Trump has set things up well with his call to be "treated fairly". If party officials really push for proportional allocation, we will hear howls from Trump. If they win, that is how I see Trump leaving the race. If he stays in that situation, I don't think he will have the delegates to win on a first ballot. I don't think he nor Bush will be the nominee if things play out this way. A John Kasich type would be likely. The establishment cannot, with credibility, change the rules in the middle of the game. i agree with Paul. if Trump is the GOP's Barry Goldwater, sobeit. |
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Post by dondub on Aug 25, 2015 10:13:39 GMT -5
And furthermore, to pretend through elegant analogy that it in no way represents anything other than pride in having been losers.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 10:36:01 GMT -5
The establishment cannot, with credibility, change the rules in the middle of the game. i agree with Paul. if Trump is the GOP's Barry Goldwater, sobeit. That'll be the establishment excuse. They STILL point to Goldwater as the reason they have no principles. They rarely like to discuss Nixon, Ford, Bush 41, Dole, Bush 43 losing the popular vote in a squeaker, McCain, and Romney...no, it's GOLDWATER!!! That's why they lose, candidates like GOLDWATER!!! They are uncomfortable when conservatives point out that you can draw a straight line from Reagan's famous Goldwater endorsement speech, "A Time For Choosing", and the Reagan landslides of 1980 and 1984. I think you can sum up Trump's early success very simply: Republican voters HATE the establishment with a burning passion, as Mark Steyn states in this bit on Cavuto: www.breitbart.com/video/2015/07/31/steyn-trumps-rise-shows-gop-base-absolutely-hates-leadership/#ixzz3jTgeUyXT&f |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:40:05 GMT -5
i agree with Paul. if Trump is the GOP's Barry Goldwater, sobeit. That'll be the establishment excuse. They STILL point to Goldwater as the reason they have no principles. They rarely like to discuss Nixon, Ford, Bush 41, Dole, Bush 43 losing the popular vote in a squeaker, McCain, and Romney...no, it's GOLDWATER!!! That's why they lose, candidates like GOLDWATER!!! They are uncomfortable when conservatives point out that you can draw a straight line from Reagan's famous Goldwater endorsement speech, "A Time For Choosing", and the Reagan landslides of 1980 and 1984. i wasn't trying to go all establishment, Paul. i was actually AGREEING WITH YOU. fine, let's say McGovern then. sheesh! |
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Post by billisonboard on Aug 25, 2015 10:40:52 GMT -5
I think that there is going to be an interesting battle over how delegates to the GOP National Convention are allocated from primary results. Trump has set things up well with his call to be "treated fairly". If party officials really push for proportional allocation, we will hear howls from Trump. If they win, that is how I see Trump leaving the race. If he stays in that situation, I don't think he will have the delegates to win on a first ballot. I don't think he nor Bush will be the nominee if things play out this way. A John Kasich type would be likely. The establishment cannot, with credibility, change the rules in the middle of the game. I looked for "the rules" for each state's GOP delegate distribution and did not find that they have been established yet. I recall from the past that it has been an issue. If you can give me a link to where we can see that they have been, I would appreciate it. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 10:41:14 GMT -5
I heart Nate Silver.
I had a hard time discussing my feelings about Trump with the kids yesterday afternoon. Showed them Idiocracy last evening and suddenly it was much easier...
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:42:25 GMT -5
I heart Nate Silver. I had a hard time discussing my feelings about Trump with the kids yesterday afternoon. Showed them Idiocracy last evening and suddenly it was much easier... president Pepsi. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 10:43:03 GMT -5
That'll be the establishment excuse. They STILL point to Goldwater as the reason they have no principles. They rarely like to discuss Nixon, Ford, Bush 41, Dole, Bush 43 losing the popular vote in a squeaker, McCain, and Romney...no, it's GOLDWATER!!! That's why they lose, candidates like GOLDWATER!!! They are uncomfortable when conservatives point out that you can draw a straight line from Reagan's famous Goldwater endorsement speech, "A Time For Choosing", and the Reagan landslides of 1980 and 1984. i wasn't trying to go all establishment, Paul. i was actually AGREEING WITH YOU. fine, let's say McGovern then. sheesh! No, I got that. I was commenting directly on what I fully expect the establishment to do. Every presidential year, I like to pretend I'm an establishment Republican and play: How can we throw the election this year? And every time, they blow my mind. They're so much better at losing than I am. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 10:44:14 GMT -5
I heart Nate Silver. I had a hard time discussing my feelings about Trump with the kids yesterday afternoon. Showed them Idiocracy last evening and suddenly it was much easier... If they're old enough to see Idiocracy- then they've experienced Obama-mania, and thus it shouldn't be necessary. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 10:44:58 GMT -5
i wasn't trying to go all establishment, Paul. i was actually AGREEING WITH YOU. fine, let's say McGovern then. sheesh! No, I got that. I was commenting directly on what I fully expect the establishment to do. Every presidential year, I like to pretend I'm an establishment Republican and play: How can we throw the election this year? And every time, they blow my mind. They're so much better at losing than I am. ok, good. i have no particular problem with Trump, other than i don't think he is a particularly good candidate for the GE. |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 10:50:50 GMT -5
Trump and Obama are equals, snicker.
My 14 yr old daughter is very pro Bernie Sanders. I was telling her that the only arena Bernie makes sense as a front runner Dem is one also populated by Trump. It's like, ok, if we've all gone nuts now, why not...
If they do take the nominations though, third parties may actually emerge.
It's early I know. But pretty much crazy season as far as I can see...
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Post by dondub on Aug 25, 2015 10:54:50 GMT -5
Please inform us why you think Bernie Sanders is crazy. TYIA.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 11:02:02 GMT -5
I think Sanders getting the nomination is crazy. Much as the peeps here like to fantasize most dems are liberal socialists, they are not.
No DJ.. I meant if Trump pulls Republican nominee and Sanders Dem Nominee, third parties besides them would be viable.
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 11:06:19 GMT -5
I think Sanders getting the nomination is crazy. Much as the peeps here like to fantasize, most dems are liberal socialists, they are not. No DJ.. I meant if Trump pulls Republican nominee and Sanders Dem Nominee, third parties besides them would be viable. i reread your post and deleted my reply. in other words: i got it. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 11:06:27 GMT -5
No, I got that. I was commenting directly on what I fully expect the establishment to do. Every presidential year, I like to pretend I'm an establishment Republican and play: How can we throw the election this year? And every time, they blow my mind. They're so much better at losing than I am. ok, good. i have no particular problem with Trump, other than i don't think he is a particularly good candidate for the GE. I think he's a great candidate. I just don't think he'd make a great President.  |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 11:07:29 GMT -5
ok, good. i have no particular problem with Trump, other than i don't think he is a particularly good candidate for the GE. I think he's a great candidate. I just don't think he'd make a great President. interesting. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 11:14:03 GMT -5
I think Sanders getting the nomination is crazy. Much as the peeps here like to fantasize, most dems are liberal socialists, they are not. No DJ.. I meant if Trump pulls Republican nominee and Sanders Dem Nominee, third parties besides them would be viable. Sanders is a mainstream Democrat. He's just honest about it. Hillary Clinton is every bit the Alinskyite radical as her husband and Obama. She wrote a thesis (I forget for what) about Saul Alinsky- which she tried to keep the lid on for years, but you can find it if you search for it. |
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Aug 25, 2015 11:17:47 GMT -5
I think he's a great candidate. I just don't think he'd make a great President. interesting. To expand- Trump has the ability to suck all the Oxygen out of the room. It'll be "Trump vs. somebody" if he's the nominee. He is personally immune to criticism-- it doesn't affect him. He doesn't surround himself with consultants who tell him what to say- he speaks his own mind. I think his complete lack of the typical nervous constipation in his communication is appealing to people that haven't heard an honest thought (good or bad) from a politician in a long time. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 11:21:55 GMT -5
To expand- Trump has the ability to suck all the Oxygen out of the room. It'll be "Trump vs. somebody" if he's the nominee. He is personally immune to criticism-- it doesn't affect him. He doesn't surround himself with consultants who tell him what to say- he speaks his own mind. I think his complete lack of the typical nervous constipation in his communication is appealing to people that haven't heard an honest thought (good or bad) from a politician in a long time. you think his honestly will get him a lot further than i do. |
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Post by weltschmerz on Aug 25, 2015 11:23:19 GMT -5
Yeah- same wildly questionable source. ....says the guy who keeps quoting Breitbart. LOL! |
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Post by Deleted on Aug 25, 2015 11:33:40 GMT -5
To expand- Trump has the ability to suck all the Oxygen out of the room. It'll be "Trump vs. somebody" if he's the nominee. He is personally immune to criticism-- it doesn't affect him. He doesn't surround himself with consultants who tell him what to say- he speaks his own mind. I think his complete lack of the typical nervous constipation in his communication is appealing to people that haven't heard an honest thought (good or bad) from a politician in a long time. As does Sanders... |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 11:43:27 GMT -5
Yeah- same wildly questionable source. ....says the guy who keeps quoting Breitbart. LOL! i had to bite my tongue. |
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Post by djAdvocate on Aug 25, 2015 11:45:25 GMT -5
I think Sanders getting the nomination is crazy. Much as the peeps here like to fantasize, most dems are liberal socialists, they are not. No DJ.. I meant if Trump pulls Republican nominee and Sanders Dem Nominee, third parties besides them would be viable. Sanders is a mainstream Democrat. nah. most Democrats are way more centrist than Sanders. he is not even technically a Democrat- he is just running as one. |
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