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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 12:42:44 GMT -5
I would guess it is the "certain individuals" part, but what do I know?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 12:44:02 GMT -5
It was strange. Yet so perfect for the point djAdvocate was working to make. kudos to him I agree with him on it's level of importance.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 12:46:26 GMT -5
I would guess it is the "certain individuals" part, but what do I know? I guess it's the number of individuals that makes the difference.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 12:54:39 GMT -5
Donald trump will really improve America's standing in the world.
Will she be voting in the general election ? If not, who cares, she's French !
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Post by tallguy on May 13, 2016 12:55:39 GMT -5
You realize that to truly make it analogous the concert would have to go on, but certain individuals would not be allowed to buy tickets, right? Otherwise it is not a legitimate comparison. And yes, that would be as unacceptable as refusing service elsewhere. Cancelling a concert is not discriminatory.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:16:11 GMT -5
I am so sorry that you are so badly abused, What can I do to Help?? WTF is wrong with you?
An eloquent point made about how the changes in society have affected different groups of people and you automatically demean the author and say she must have been abused to have such thoughts.
Not everyone is an old crotchety white dude who sees things from your perspective.
Nothing is wrong with him. He doesn't agree with happyhoix's opinion of the political climate. I tend to agree with him. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump are not old WASP's. Happyhoix seems to have a serious issues in some of her posts. When I read them, it sometimes comes across like she's a man hater at times. Bad things do happen to people. Maybe old coyote was showing some empathy. If I may ask, why did you see his post as a negative ?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:19:17 GMT -5
You realize that to truly make it analogous the concert would have to go on, but certain individuals would not be allowed to buy tickets, right? Otherwise it is not a legitimate comparison. And yes, that would be as unacceptable as refusing service elsewhere. Cancelling a concert is not discriminatory. He didn't discriminate against the people of North Carolina for their policies ? By refusing service he gives elswhere ? He does sell the tickets, doesn't he ?
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Post by happyhoix on May 13, 2016 13:35:25 GMT -5
WTF is wrong with you?
An eloquent point made about how the changes in society have affected different groups of people and you automatically demean the author and say she must have been abused to have such thoughts.
Not everyone is an old crotchety white dude who sees things from your perspective.
Nothing is wrong with him. He doesn't agree with happyhoix's opinion of the political climate. I tend to agree with him. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump are not old WASPs 'Happyhoix seems to have a serious issues in some of her posts. When I read them, it sometimes comes across like she's a man hater at times. Bad things do happen to people. Maybe old coyote was showing some empathy. If I may ask, why did you see his post as a negative ? I've been told I must have penis envy before, by men I was pissing off at work because I was voicing my opinion, but I haven't been accused of hating men before.
I don't actually hate men. I do hate assholes though. Of either sex.
As for your comment that most of the people you know that voted for Trump are not old WASPS, I trust that you understand what statistical probability means. I'm not saying there are not any enthusiastic 25 year old black women Trump supporters, I'm just saying they're unicorns compared to his middle aged white supporters.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 13:46:50 GMT -5
Nothing is wrong with him. He doesn't agree with happyhoix's opinion of the political climate. I tend to agree with him. Most of the people I know that voted for Trump are not old WASPs 'Happyhoix seems to have a serious issues in some of her posts. When I read them, it sometimes comes across like she's a man hater at times. Bad things do happen to people. Maybe old coyote was showing some empathy. If I may ask, why did you see his post as a negative ? I've been told I must have penis envy before, by men I was pissing off at work because I was voicing my opinion, but I haven't been accused of hating men before.
I don't actually hate men. I do hate assholes though. Of either sex.
As for your comment that most of the people you know that voted for Trump are not old WASPS, I trust that you understand what statistical probability means. I'm not saying there are not any enthusiastic 25 year old black women Trump supporters, I'm just saying they're unicorns compared to his middle aged white supporters.
Please voice your opinion ! There's no point in being here if you don't. I don't think you have penis envy. My perception of what you post can also be flawed. That's why we discuss. Most of the people I associate with tend to have similar views that I have, so maybe it wasn't a good example. Even my 84 year old MIL voted for him, go figure.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2016 13:55:07 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them.
It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better.
Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it.
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Post by swamp on May 13, 2016 13:58:29 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. The schizophrenic drug addict wandering down the street speaks his mind too. It doesn't mean we should elect him president
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2016 13:59:08 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. The schizophrenic drug addict wandering down the street speaks his mind too. It doesn't mean we should elect him president But he's not on TV!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:04:12 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. One of the reasons I voted for him. I'm sick and tired of namby-pamby political correctness getting into everything. Sometimes an illegal alien (or whatever) is just that. No need to butter it up to make it easier to swallow to meet an agenda.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:06:38 GMT -5
Trump's tax returns are just another non-issue. A flinging of mud up onto the wall by people that don't like him. aka- pretty much everyone.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:08:32 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. One of the reasons I voted for him. I'm sick and tired of namby-pamby political correctness getting into everything. Sometimes an illegal alien (or whatever) is just that. No need to butter it up to make it easier to swallow to meet an agenda. Did people get upset because he called an illegal alien an illegal alien? Or because he called Mexican immigrants rapists, murders, etc....
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:11:43 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. The schizophrenic drug addict wandering down the street speaks his mind too. It doesn't mean we should elect him president The schmoozing liberal trying to buy the vote with your tax dollars, as a save the country handout, will also speak her mind. It doesn't mean we should elect her president.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:12:16 GMT -5
Actually, Paul, I somewhat agree with you, but I see it from a different perspective.
I see a segment of American society that hates our modern age. They hate gay and trans people walking around in public, in our schools and public bathrooms and moving in next door. They hate the fact that so many women are increasingly showing up as doctors, business executives, judges and politicians - they prefer women to remain in the domestic sphere, and not out there stealing jobs from men. They understand that the white majority is shrinking, giving way to a variety of different minorities, and they want to reset the clock to when minorities were truly in the minority, and they knew there place and stayed there, instead of having parades for themselves, or standing there in the Walmart talking their native language. They hate that people admit in public that they are pro-abortion, or they are atheist or even wiccan - they long for the time when such people could be run out of town on a rail. They want to return to the era where people had to attend church or they were shunned from society. They think back to an idolized 1950's, one they imagine to be like one of the pleasant 1950's sit coms, when there was no terrorism, no drugs, no kids smarting off at you, no minorities or gays or uppity women demanding rights.
These people are angry, and they want to stop the clock and return to a better time, a time when the WASP men ran everything and no one challenged that. They've seen their wages stagnant, they've seen jobs disappear over the border and illegal immigrants coming over the border to take what jobs remain. Trump, who is an outstanding marketer, correctly gauged the sentiments of this segment of the American public and he's played to them expertly, promising to build a wall that we can't possibly afford, and to kick all the threatening foreigners out, to bring back all the jobs, eliminate abortions, and spin the clock back in time to the 1950's when we were a white, Protestant, male dominated country.
You see an American furious at the loser liberals for ruining society. I see a segment of America furiously unhappy that they are no longer the dominant power in society, scrambling to try to seize their power back and kick out or shove back in the closet and the kitchen all the undesirables.
I am so sorry that you are so badly abused, What can I do to Help??i am sorry that you are part of the problem. please step aside, while we run things. tyia.
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2016 14:12:48 GMT -5
No need to butter it up to make it easier to swallow to meet an agenda.
And Trump doesn't have an agenda?
This is the part I don't get. Do people REALLY think he's running for president out of the goodness of his heart and a genuine desire to help the American people?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:13:25 GMT -5
One of the reasons I voted for him. I'm sick and tired of namby-pamby political correctness getting into everything. Sometimes an illegal alien (or whatever) is just that. No need to butter it up to make it easier to swallow to meet an agenda. Did people get upset because he called an illegal alien an illegal alien? Or because he called Mexican immigrants rapists, murders, etc.... There are no Mexican immigrant rapists, murderers, etc. ?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:14:50 GMT -5
No need to butter it up to make it easier to swallow to meet an agenda.
And Trump doesn't have an agenda? This is the part I don't get. Do people REALLY think he's running for president out of the goodness of his heart and a genuine desire to help the American people? Yes.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:15:53 GMT -5
Well, then you can't really blame anyone but yourself for that particular situation. Ahhh But keeping my mouth shut, The problem solved it self. without creating any kind of a mess! you can open your mouth as much as you like, with all the attendant risks. but remember: a closed mouth catches no flies.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2016 14:16:15 GMT -5
It's been fun, have to go now.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:16:53 GMT -5
it's not that important. trust me. It was strange. something about it reminded me of Trump. tuneless, ham fisted, arrogant.....and entertaining.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:18:07 GMT -5
I just went back reread Happyhoix post, there are very few people that I come into contact with that share any of the traits that are posted. I think that they very much a minority. let's hope so, or we will be talking about President Trump NEXT year.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:20:38 GMT -5
Donald trump will really improve America's standing in the world.
Will she be voting in the general election ? If not, who cares, she's French ! it might surprise you to learn that many voters care if we become the laughingstock of the world. if you are not one of them, that is fine- but try to have some perspective.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:22:44 GMT -5
WTF is wrong with you?
An eloquent point made about how the changes in society have affected different groups of people and you automatically demean the author and say she must have been abused to have such thoughts.
Not everyone is an old crotchety white dude who sees things from your perspective.
Nothing is wrong with him. He doesn't agree with happyhoix's opinion of the political climate. um.....huh? "disagreement" is not the issue here. characterizing someone as evil, mentally ill, or an abuse victim for NOT sharing your perspective is ad hominem. and it is all too common on this board. even NICE PEOPLE here do it, with regularity. i, for one, would like it to stop.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:25:45 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. they are reactionaries, racists, and neo-fascists, imo. Trump is the party of scapegoatism. we have seen this movie before. it ends badly. you should have DH watch the 21 minute John Oliver takedown of Trump. know the one i am talking about?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:26:51 GMT -5
The schizophrenic drug addict wandering down the street speaks his mind too. It doesn't mean we should elect him president But he's not on TV! and he doesn't own a giant skyscraper!
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Post by NomoreDramaQ1015 on May 13, 2016 14:29:10 GMT -5
I agree with Happy for the most part. The segments of the population that tend to support Trump are people who are afraid/angry for one reason or another and long to have a president who will return them to the "good old days" whatever those might be to them. It's human nature to want to find a reason/cause for everything that appears to be going bad in the world/your life. Trump has figured out his target market perfectly by offering up a bounty of scapegoats for them to choose from with the promise he will make it all better. Not everyone who supports Trump thinks that, I agree with that too. My DH likes Trump because "he speaks his mind and tells it like it is". We can't discuss politics anymore because what I see is Trump isn't any different from any other politician. He's telling his target audience exactly what they want to hear. He's just a lot more crass and loudmouth about it. they are reactionaries, racists, and neo-fascists, imo. Trump is the party of scapegoatism. we have seen this movie before. it ends badly. you should have DH watch the 21 minute John Oliver takedown of Trump. know the one i am talking about? I do not. I've been avoiding TV news as much as possible because every time I stop to watch I want to throw one of my shoes at the screen.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 13, 2016 14:31:06 GMT -5
they are reactionaries, racists, and neo-fascists, imo. Trump is the party of scapegoatism. we have seen this movie before. it ends badly. you should have DH watch the 21 minute John Oliver takedown of Trump. know the one i am talking about? I do not. I've been avoiding TV news as much as possible because every time I stop to watch I want to throw one of my shoes at the screen. this is spectacularly good commentary and comedy:
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