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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 20, 2016 19:16:23 GMT -5
Nope missed that Dj.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 20, 2016 19:25:50 GMT -5
I'm worried about internment camps. I'm worried about everyone not white having to stop and prove they aren't 'illegals' ... Lots of examples of people at his rallies/etc who are citizens being harasses and told to go back to their own country, etc. I'm afraid of the patriot act, etc in this man's hands when he is so eager to name anyone as an enemy of his state...
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 20, 2016 19:28:26 GMT -5
I'm worried about internment camps. I'm worried about everyone not white having to stop and prove they aren't 'illegals' ... Lots of examples of people at his rallies/etc who are citizens being harasses and told to go back to their own country, etc. I'm afraid of the patriot act, etc in this man's hands when he is so eager to name anyone as an enemy of his state... i am more worried about it than any time since 2003. and if other people are worried enough, it probably won't happen. what i find discouraging is how UN-worried other people are. like this whole madness is "normal".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 20, 2016 22:34:04 GMT -5
If you're worried he's going to bomb the snot out of America's enemies with a highly limited ability to distinguish between friend and foe, welcome to US foreign policy under whoever's elected in 2016. There isn't a pacifist among them, except possibly Sen. Sanders. I don't know what his intentions are. correction: there are probably hundreds of pacifists running. I meant with any hope of winning the presidency. He has said it before. Usually buried in a dozen criticisms of Pres. Bush, but it's there. Give credit where credit is due.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 20, 2016 22:36:17 GMT -5
Legally it's not murder. It's collateral damage inflicted in wartime. It's been the status quo since 2001 and will continue to be the status quo regardless of who's elected in 2016. I should think you'd appreciate Mr. Trump's forthrightness about it. the GC does not allow for targeting civilians. it is a war crime. 2001 changed nothing, other than our moral sensibility on this subject. Considering half the nations in Europe are locking down and fencing up their borders, denying entry to refugees in direct contravention of the GC, I'd say we're about 90% of the way towards declaring the GC another failed experiment in international governance.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 20, 2016 22:53:15 GMT -5
... Considering half the nations in Europe are locking down and fencing up their borders, denying entry to refugees in direct contravention of the GC, I'd say we're about 90% of the way towards declaring the GC another failed experiment in international governance. Do you have a link that shows the part of the Geneva Convention that bans this activity?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 21, 2016 0:31:04 GMT -5
... Considering half the nations in Europe are locking down and fencing up their borders, denying entry to refugees in direct contravention of the GC, I'd say we're about 90% of the way towards declaring the GC another failed experiment in international governance. Do you have a link that shows the part of the Geneva Convention that bans this activity? i am fairly certain that the answer to that question is "no".
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 21, 2016 0:32:00 GMT -5
correction: there are probably hundreds of pacifists running. I meant with any hope of winning the presidency. He has said it before. Usually buried in a dozen criticisms of Pres. Bush, but it's there. Give credit where credit is due. hope springs eternal, bro.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 21, 2016 7:48:11 GMT -5
Trump is starting his pivot. He's giving a speech for the AIPAC today (along with Hillary) and he claims it will be 'presidential' and that he will actually have a prepared speech to read off the teleprompters (rather than just talking out of his ass like he usually does). He claims he actually has a foreign policy, although he refused to share it prior to this event.
Apparently a group of rabbis are intending to stand up and walk out en masse when he begins talking. It will be interesting to see if he can remain civil and ignore them or if he will feel compelled to call them 'jerks.'
I'm interested to see the results of this. Either he will try and fail to be 'presidential' - he'll end up talking off the cuff, making insulting comments and demonstrating he has no actual foreign policy (as usual) or he'll present a solemn and presidential figure, outline an actual foreign policy, and alienate a bunch of his voters who love the crazy talking, insulting Donald.
I also saw him whining over the weekend about how protestors at his rallies are holding up 'really horrible' signs saying 'really very horrible' slogans. This is a sign of a true narcissist - he thinks he can say whatever awful thing that comes to his mind and everyone should be cool with that, but if someone else says something mean back, he's insulted and outraged.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 21, 2016 8:20:25 GMT -5
I'm worried about internment camps. I'm worried about everyone not white having to stop and prove they aren't 'illegals' ... Lots of examples of people at his rallies/etc who are citizens being harasses and told to go back to their own country, etc. I'm afraid of the patriot act, etc in this man's hands when he is so eager to name anyone as an enemy of his state... Don't have to worry about it, If Sheriff Joe Got his hand slapped for doing it Trump will not get away with it either. Remember when Sheriff could do anything he wanted, lawful or unlawful, not so now.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 21, 2016 8:35:57 GMT -5
Do you have a link that shows the part of the Geneva Convention that bans this activity? i am fairly certain that the answer to that question is "no". I shall expect an apology forthwith.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 21, 2016 9:05:06 GMT -5
I wonder what happens to dj when California primary comes up, and puts Trump over the top?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 21, 2016 9:11:41 GMT -5
Now it's all over the news that the "Republican cabol", whatever that is......I guess the insiders who control the party, are holding daily meetings to destroy Trump. They reportedly are even taping political Republicans who might be meeting with Trump to destroy them.
Regardless of how Trump comes out of the primary, I have one thing to say. If he destroys the hierarchy of the party, and even gets Clinton elected, it will be the correct and best thing for the Republican party in the long term. Rip it apart and start anew. Make the party representative of it's actual base. I am tired of looking like it is a closeted extension of the Democratic party.
Trump has the right idea. Build the wall on the border and tear down the Republican hierarchy and make the Republican party believe in their ideals.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 21, 2016 9:50:33 GMT -5
... As the Wiki article states, "Geneva Convention" is apparently a misnomer: ... No wonder I couldn't find it. Thanks for the link.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 21, 2016 11:57:36 GMT -5
I wonder what happens to dj when California primary comes up, and puts Trump over the top? i will leave the party, of course. if the GOP in CA is that stupid, i have no more use for them. right now, Trump leads by 16%, which i find horrifying.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 21, 2016 11:59:25 GMT -5
Now it's all over the news that the "Republican cabol", whatever that is......I guess the insiders who control the party, are holding daily meetings to destroy Trump. They reportedly are even taping political Republicans who might be meeting with Trump to destroy them. of course. what part of this could you NOT predict?Regardless of how Trump comes out of the primary, I have one thing to say. If he destroys the hierarchy of the party, and even gets Clinton elected, it will be the correct and best thing for the Republican party in the long term. Rip it apart and start anew. Make the party representative of it's actual base. I am tired of looking like it is a closeted extension of the Democratic party. i think this is a very troublesome and bizarre attitude. but i will let you and others rant for a while. it is quite amusing.Trump has the right idea. Build the wall on the border and tear down the Republican hierarchy and make the Republican party believe in their ideals. i don't want walls. i want workable, intelligent ideas. Trump has none of them. only xenophobia and demagoguery.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 21, 2016 12:01:49 GMT -5
i am fairly certain that the answer to that question is "no". I shall expect an apology forthwith. i think you have been absorbing too much Trump if you think i should apologize for YOUR mistake, Virgil. from your link: (Although, like many international treaties, the Refugee Convention was agreed in Geneva,[4] it is incorrect to refer to it as "the Geneva Convention," because there are four treaties regulating armed conflict known as the Geneva Conventions.) so, yeah- you should stop taking zerohedge as a place of absolute authority. they are very poor at fact-checking. but fortunately, you have us. you're welcome.
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Post by happyhoix on Mar 21, 2016 12:10:23 GMT -5
Now it's all over the news that the "Republican cabol", whatever that is......I guess the insiders who control the party, are holding daily meetings to destroy Trump. They reportedly are even taping political Republicans who might be meeting with Trump to destroy them. Regardless of how Trump comes out of the primary, I have one thing to say. If he destroys the hierarchy of the party, and even gets Clinton elected, it will be the correct and best thing for the Republican party in the long term. Rip it apart and start anew. Make the party representative of it's actual base. I am tired of looking like it is a closeted extension of the Democratic party. Trump has the right idea.Build the wall on the border and tear down the Republican hierarchy and make the Republican party believe in their ideals. What exactly are his ideas?
Other than building a wall, deporting Muslims and replacing Obamacare with something that is 'so nice, so very very nice, everyone will love it!!'
In many ways is he is anti-GOP - neutral on Israel instead of supporting it, against Bush Jr's Gulf war. So what IS his platform?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 17:22:41 GMT -5
People realize Mexican illegals are leaving at a faster rate than they are coming currently? ... How do they leave if the wall is up? Do we just let them through?
'so nice, so very very nice, everyone will love it'
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 21, 2016 18:36:50 GMT -5
People realize Mexican illegals are leaving at a faster rate than they are coming currently? ... How do they leave if the wall is up? Do we just let them through?
'so nice, so very very nice, everyone will love it' Can you support the argument illegal immigrants (Mexican seems a little too racist) are leaving at a faster rate than they are coming here? Also remember, it's Hondurans, and other central and South Americans coming over the border illegally that has to be stopped.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 21, 2016 18:52:48 GMT -5
When I said Mexican I meant that. Mexicans are leaving faster than coming. Yes South America illegal immigration might be slowed by a wall. Won't do anything for the great increases in Asian and Aftican illegals however. Overstaying visas can't be stopped by a wall...
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 16:20:07 GMT -5
So, Trump got the temporary ban on Muslim immigration visas correct. Stop the flow until you can verify who is coming in. How many explosions will it take before the liberals understand this?
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 22, 2016 16:27:57 GMT -5
So, Trump got the temporary ban on Muslim immigration visas correct. Stop the flow until you can verify who is coming in. How many explosions will it take before the liberals understand this? his original statement didn't say "temporary ban". here is what it said: "Donald J. Trump is calling for a total and complete shutdown of Muslims entering the United States until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on," they will never figure out what is going on. therefore, the ban will never end. learn to read between the lines with Trump or you are forever lost, imo.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 16:32:16 GMT -5
I read, "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" as temporary. Or do you admit our government is incapable of doing their job?
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 16:34:04 GMT -5
In any event, it will be interesting if Trump beats the projections in today's primaries due to Brussels. Myself, I do not think it matters. I am just wondering if it will.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 22, 2016 16:39:08 GMT -5
I read, "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on" as temporary. Or do you admit our government is incapable of doing their job? under Trump? definitely. he will turn over every wrong stone before he gets to the right one. and there are more stones than there is time.
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 22, 2016 16:45:31 GMT -5
Do you mean 10 months is not enough time for the Feds to fix the broken system? If that is the case, so be it. Just like temporary taxes on American citizens, it becomes permanent. I suggest the government gets off it's arse and fix it now before he takes the oath of office.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 22, 2016 16:49:16 GMT -5
Do you mean 10 months is not enough time for the Feds to fix the broken system? If that is the case, so be it. Just like temporary taxes on American citizens, it becomes permanent. I suggest the government gets off it's arse and fix it now before he takes the oath of office. i used that exact same analogy somewhere on this board. anything that gives more power to the Federal government is basically permanent. remember how we used to talk about the PATRIOT Act? anyone think that is temporary any more?
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