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Post by Value Buy on Mar 13, 2016 8:58:00 GMT -5
We barely have 300 million people, much less voters. And despite what the GOP debates look like, I doubt the neo-fascist segment is anywhere near that. Barely 300 million in population? Now there is a loose interpretation of numbers. I guess you are not counting the illegal aliens.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 17:51:31 GMT -5
We barely have 300 million people, much less voters. And despite what the GOP debates look like, I doubt the neo-fascist segment is anywhere near that. Barely 300 million in population? Now there is a loose interpretation of numbers. I guess you are not counting the illegal aliens. In a political discussion about voting, why would ILLEGAL aliens be counted?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 19:02:32 GMT -5
Barely 300 million in population? Now there is a loose interpretation of numbers. I guess you are not counting the illegal aliens. In a political discussion about voting, why would ILLEGAL aliens be counted? The US has well over 300 million citizens, not including illegals. By last count, 322 million. Not all of them live stateside, however.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 19:05:08 GMT -5
In a political discussion about voting, why would ILLEGAL aliens be counted? The US has well over 300 million citizens, not including illegals. By last count, 322 million. Not all of them live stateside, however. I know that. That wasn't what I was addressing. I was addressing the stupidity of someone saying "I guess you are not counting the illegal aliens".
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Post by tallguy on Mar 13, 2016 19:28:06 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The man says absolutely nothing.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 19:43:44 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The man says absolutely nothing. He is fascinating to watch. He gives Americans hope. They know the US is circling the drain, and he gives them hope. Some might consider that admirable.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 19:44:11 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The man says absolutely nothing. And that makes him different from the other politicians exactly how?
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Post by dondub on Mar 13, 2016 19:47:53 GMT -5
Some Canadians think the US is circling the drain.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2016 19:58:44 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The man says absolutely nothing. He is fascinating to watch. He gives Americans hope. They know the US is circling the drain, and he gives them hope. Some might consider that admirable. I listened to him for an extended period for the first time the other day and found his thought process fascinating. He would be talking about something which seemed to remind him about something else so he would start talking about that which would remind him off something else so he would start ...
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 20:01:22 GMT -5
He is fascinating to watch. He gives Americans hope. They know the US is circling the drain, and he gives them hope. Some might consider that admirable. I listened to him for an extended period for the first time the other day and found his thought process fascinating. He would be talking about something which seemed to remind him about something else so he would start talking about that which would remind him off something else so he would start ... I watched about 10 minutes of the live stream b2r just put up and he was doing the very same thing. It was like reading an EE thread.
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Post by billisonboard on Mar 13, 2016 20:16:39 GMT -5
I listened to him for an extended period for the first time the other day and found his thought process fascinating. He would be talking about something which seemed to remind him about something else so he would start talking about that which would remind him off something else so he would start ... I watched about 10 minutes of the live stream b2r just put up and he was doing the very same thing. It was like reading an EE thread. Sweet. Not just me, not just that once.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 21:10:29 GMT -5
Some Canadians think the US is circling the drain. Some Canadians are right. Doesn't mean we have passed the point of no return YET though. Bush II got us a LOT of momentum towards the drain, Obama kept that momentum going (and added quite a bit himself), out of this gaggle of poor excuses for humanity we will have to choose from this year will come a President who will push us even closer, even faster.... The only question is: Can the majority of voters figure out that we are sending the wrong people to Washington in time to recover... or will the "death spiral" down the drain continue unabated until entropy catches up with us?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 21:18:25 GMT -5
Some Canadians think the US is circling the drain. Some Canadians are right. Doesn't mean we have passed the point of no return YET though. Bush II got us a LOT of momentum towards the drain, Obama kept that momentum going (and added quite a bit himself), out of this gaggle of poor excuses for humanity we will have to choose from this year will come a President who will push us even closer, even faster.... The only question is: Can the majority of voters figure out that we are sending the wrong people to Washington in time to recover... or will the "death spiral" down the drain continue unabated until entropy catches up with us? Which candidate would you say is qualified (and has sufficient political capital) to fix it?
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Post by ken a.k.a OMK on Mar 13, 2016 21:28:27 GMT -5
On the GOP side Kasich is looking good, but hasn't a chance. On the Dem side I'm undecided.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 21:33:13 GMT -5
Some Canadians are right. Doesn't mean we have passed the point of no return YET though. Bush II got us a LOT of momentum towards the drain, Obama kept that momentum going (and added quite a bit himself), out of this gaggle of poor excuses for humanity we will have to choose from this year will come a President who will push us even closer, even faster.... The only question is: Can the majority of voters figure out that we are sending the wrong people to Washington in time to recover... or will the "death spiral" down the drain continue unabated until entropy catches up with us? Which candidate would you say is qualified (and has sufficient political capital) to fix it? Of the ones running and even remotely likely to win? None. Of the ones running but without a chance in hell... no idea (haven't really researched them this year. too scared about how bad it will be with the ones that can win, and for the first time in my "voting career" I shall be "throwing my vote away" on "least bad of two even though there are more than two candidates") ETA: basically though, being a Democrat or a Republican is pretty much instant disqualification from being a solution to the problem... since Democrats and Republicans equally created the problem, and have (at best) maintained it even when "in control".
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 22:14:51 GMT -5
Which candidate would you say is qualified (and has sufficient political capital) to fix it? Of the ones running and even remotely likely to win? None. Of the ones running but without a chance in hell... no idea (haven't really researched them this year. too scared about how bad it will be with the ones that can win, and for the first time in my "voting career" I shall be "throwing my vote away" on "least bad of two even though there are more than two candidates") ETA: basically though, being a Democrat or a Republican is pretty much instant disqualification from being a solution to the problem... since Democrats and Republicans equally created the problem, and have (at best) maintained it even when "in control". On what basis do you say the US isn't "past the point of no return" then? Just because there could hypothetically exist a candidate who could right the ship at this point, even though (s)he would be totally unelectable?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 13, 2016 22:37:24 GMT -5
Of the ones running and even remotely likely to win? None. Of the ones running but without a chance in hell... no idea (haven't really researched them this year. too scared about how bad it will be with the ones that can win, and for the first time in my "voting career" I shall be "throwing my vote away" on "least bad of two even though there are more than two candidates") ETA: basically though, being a Democrat or a Republican is pretty much instant disqualification from being a solution to the problem... since Democrats and Republicans equally created the problem, and have (at best) maintained it even when "in control". On what basis do you say the US isn't "past the point of no return" then? Just because there could hypothetically exist a candidate who could right the ship at this point, even though (s)he would be totally unelectable? Because as of RIGHT NOW "the ship" is still recoverable. Think of the country ("the ship") like a bass boat. If you cut them in half, the halves will still float. There is a LOT of redundant buoyancy built into them. This country is like a bass boat in that regard... but with some people putting holes in it letting water in, plus some people adding cement bricks, plus some people repairing holes, plus some people removing the cement bricks. The problem in the last 50 years or so has been there are more people adding holes and bricks than there are people repairing holes and taking bricks out... and no one "bailing out the water". Whether we survive the next president (and the Congresses in session under them) depends on the balance of hole makers/brick adders vs hole fixers/brick removers.... and when do we reach that magic point where the whole thing sinks. Will it be during the next Presidency? I don't know. I just know it's not too late RIGHT NOW.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 13, 2016 23:16:53 GMT -5
I suppose I agree with you, depending on what we mean by the boat "staying afloat". Some crises (in particular, SS shortfalls, declining LFPR, public debt, and an evaporating middle class) are still remediable. Others (the OTC derivatives crisis, Medicaid/Medicare shortfalls, the collapsing dollar hegemony, declining world influence) are long past the point of no return.
All of this is moot because there's no political will in the US to make the necessary changes. You have the establishment, who will maintain course right up until they take the US screaming over a cliff. You have the right wing fringe, who've thrown their lot in with Mr. Trump: a man that doesn't even bother with the pretense of a realistic plan to accomplish the economic turnaround he's promising. And you have the left wing fringe and millenials, who are afflicted with such a strong sense of entitlement that they'll see nations burned to the ground before making any concessions.
Take your pick.
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Post by djAdvocate on Mar 14, 2016 10:41:08 GMT -5
Unbelievable. The man says absolutely nothing. And that makes him different from the other politicians exactly how? many politicians are quite substantive. you tend to not hear about them.
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Post by Tennesseer on Mar 14, 2016 22:05:51 GMT -5
Interesting article. The Many, Many Reasons Republican Senators Can’t Stand Ted Cruz(Bloomberg) -- Ted Cruz might be the only thing standing between Donald Trump and the Republican presidential nomination, but he only has a single endorsement from a fellow senator -- and few colleagues who will even say a nice thing about him in the hallway. Bob Corker of Tennessee, for example, when asked this week if he considered Cruz a friend, paused for several seconds before eventually replying that Cruz was “an acquaintance.” A number of Republican senators had thrown their support behind another Senate colleague, Florida’s Marco Rubio. But with Rubio’s prospects fading, Cruz holds second place in the delegate count, making him the Republican’s best, and perhaps last, hope to take down Trump. But that argument wasn’t coming from Republican senators. Link to the complete article below. The Many, Many Reasons Republican Senators Can’t Stand Ted Cruz
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 15, 2016 7:43:43 GMT -5
Okay, here we go. 8:21 AM Tuesday morning. I have done some back of the envelope calculations on the Republican Presidential nomination race. Assuming the following: Trump wins Florida-a given this morning. Trump loses Ohio- not a given at this point-to close to call Illinois, Missouri and North Carolina, Trump wins Illinois and North Carolina, but Cruz wins enough Congressional districts in both to keep those delegate numbers close to Trump's numbers. Missouri, the reverse. Maybe, Cruz wins, but Trump keeps delegate numbers in that state competitive. After Tuesday's delegate wins, Trump is up about 90 delegates over Cruz. Probably many more. Assuming the following: Rubio AND Kasich refuse to fall out and continue onward, playing ping pong, trying to derail Trump. Trump does not gain any more core support and remains in the mid forties as far as winning the state races the rest of the way......and does not even win many state's primaries here on out. Trump will arrive in Cleveland between 50 and 90 delegates short. He has that much of a lead after today's results, and pundits claim to win the nomination he needs 60% of the delegates here on out to win it all if he does not win Ohio. If Trump wins a few strategic states, like New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania with a decent showing, and Cruz and Kasich split the vote, Trump wins it outright. Start putting the remaining states together, and see if Trump has the fire power to beat Cruz badly enough to end it. My back of the envelope number will be in the 75 delegate range above the number needed to win. I repeat, I did not so any scientific research other than looking at the states left, trying to figure out the delegates of each state, and how the vote will be in that state. I will leave it to dj to tear it apart. He is the one person here who has the knowledge to analyze the stats. Please do not ask me to argue specific states at this time. It's only a back of the envelope calculation, and with the news cycles running about eight hours anymore, anything can happen to derail any of the candidates. In fact, it could be all over for Trump after tonight..... Of course, if Trump prevails in Ohio tonight.......... If Kasich drops out, it helps Cruz. If Rubio drops out, his numbers are so low, no one gets a legitimate bump..... Outside of Florida, Kasich is basically beating him.
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Post by OldCoyote on Mar 15, 2016 8:04:15 GMT -5
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Mar 15, 2016 8:05:47 GMT -5
Okay, here we go. 8:21 AM Tuesday morning. I have done some back of the envelope calculations on the Republican Presidential nomination race. Assuming the following: Trump wins Florida-a given this morning. Trump loses Ohio- not a given at this point-to close to call Illinois, Missouri and North Carolina, Trump wins Illinois and North Carolina, but Cruz wins enough Congressional districts in both to keep those delegate numbers close to Trump's numbers. Missouri, the reverse. Maybe, Cruz wins, but Trump keeps delegate numbers in that state competitive. After Tuesday's delegate wins, Trump is up about 90 delegates over Cruz. Probably many more. Assuming the following: Rubio AND Kasich refuse to fall out and continue onward, playing ping pong, trying to derail Trump. Trump does not gain any more core support and remains in the mid forties as far as winning the state races the rest of the way......and does not even win many state's primaries here on out. Trump will arrive in Cleveland between 50 and 90 delegates short. He has that much of a lead after today's results, and pundits claim to win the nomination he needs 60% of the delegates here on out to win it all if he does not win Ohio. If Trump wins a few strategic states, like New Jersey, New York, Pennsylvania with a decent showing, and Cruz and Kasich split the vote, Trump wins it outright. Start putting the remaining states together, and see if Trump has the fire power to beat Cruz badly enough to end it. My back of the envelope number will be in the 75 delegate range above the number needed to win. I repeat, I did not so any scientific research other than looking at the states left, trying to figure out the delegates of each state, and how the vote will be in that state. I will leave it to dj to tear it apart. He is the one person here who has the knowledge to analyze the stats. Please do not ask me to argue specific states at this time. It's only a back of the envelope calculation, and with the news cycles running about eight hours anymore, anything can happen to derail any of the candidates. In fact, it could be all over for Trump after tonight..... Of course, if Trump prevails in Ohio tonight.......... If Kasich drops out, it helps Cruz. If Rubio drops out, his numbers are so low, no one gets a legitimate bump..... Outside of Florida, Kasich is basically beating him. I'll add that if we run a second order regression on the number of committed delegates for both Kasich and Rubio and multiply by Ohio's coefficient of primary relaxation (which at first blush is sitting at 0.78(8)), that puts the KRC bloc outside of Trump's 41-state cap unless he takes Ohio. Even if he does take Ohio, we could still witness a Martingale inversion later this month, giving Cruz an additional 12.5 delegates and limiting any further gains by Kasich to states where his poll percentages are expressible as the sum of two cubes.
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Post by Wisconsin Beth on Mar 15, 2016 11:37:11 GMT -5
Well Trump got northern Mariana islands' whopping 9 delegates and the majority support. My source is slate.Com. do we need a link?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2016 11:56:41 GMT -5
When a poster says 98 million Americans are not working he must be including babies, children, and the over 65 crowd. Otherwise, the UE rate for Americans between 18-65 would be 47%. That's almost as much BS as the Iran will be a nuclear umbrella for ISIS line. Um, I don't know how to break it to you...but it is. Real unemployment is roughly 42%.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2016 12:01:04 GMT -5
For whatever reason, this whole "value of a vote" discussion brings to mind an Annie Savoy quote from Bull Durham:
Do any of us really get to choose? And yeah, you get three votes together you can't do dick. You get 300 million of them.... hopefully, there are not 300M neo-fascists in the US. I don't know...there are an awful lot of Democrats. And let us be real for just a second here-- there is a growing, increasingly violent, neo-fascist movement in this country and it exists almost exclusively on the left. Chicago was just the latest example of the left wing brown-shirt like mob. We also saw it in Ferguson, Baltimore, and a few other places.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 15, 2016 12:05:04 GMT -5
I lost a lot of Cruz voters in my precinct over the weekend. We'll find out today if that was merely anecdotal, but I have a sinking feeling it wasn't. Oh, you want to know why? Because Cruz joined the Democrats and the mainstream media in blaming Donald Trump for the actions of the violent left wing mob that descended on the scheduled Trump rally in Chicago. Not his finest moment- My wife was in Chicago and saw the hordes and she will assure you- it was not peaceful. They were throwing rocks and bottles at police, grabbing Trump signs and tearing them up, starting fights- it looked like the West Bank. And they're going to get Trump elected. Read more at: www.nationalreview.com/article/432801/donald-trump-left-wing-protesters-might-get-him-elected?target=author&tid=900932
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Post by Pants on Mar 15, 2016 12:37:35 GMT -5
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Post by Value Buy on Mar 15, 2016 19:30:57 GMT -5
So far tonight... Trump Florida, Rubio congratulated Trump and suspended the campaign. Trump getting beat in Ohio Trump leading in North Carolina, Illinois and with little data in, leading in Missouri, right now.
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