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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 21, 2015 21:08:01 GMT -5
I am starting to get jealous that the Republicans have all these nutjobs...but at least they have a choice, as bizarre as it is. This is going to be one interesting election. it might not be all that interesting after the primaries. but it might be.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:15:34 GMT -5
Do we also pull out of the Central Valley in southern CA, Minneapolis, MN, and Dearborn, MN while we're at it? There ARE countries where this originates. This complete and total mythology that militant islamists are just a rag tag band of freelancers in running around transcending national borders is frustratingly naive and absurd. To start with, Saudi Arabia and Iran could be targeted militarily unless or until they cease all state support for islamic militants. I doubt we'd ever have to get much beyond the first two, but if other muslim countries insist... Don't worry Paul, Hillary Clinton says ISIS is right where they need to be...
I bet the fine folks in Paris and San Bernadino would be comforted by that.
So, in the US is where ISIS needs to be?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:18:35 GMT -5
I am starting to get jealous that the Republicans have all these nutjobs...but at least they have a choice, as bizarre as it is. This is going to be one interesting election. It's odd to hear a Democrat admit that there isn't a dime's worth of difference between Hillary Clinton- who is just as radical as Obama, make no mistake about it- and Bernie Sanders. Somewhere around the time when a communist murdered President Kennedy, the Democratic Party started drifting off the map into the anti-American, communist mess that it is today.
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2015 17:23:36 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Funny stuff.
And speaking of terrorism. A recent study showed way more post 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US from white extremists. These are the anti-govt. types that say the govt. is "violent", "steals tax money at gunpoint"...that kind of stuff. They are everywhere, even here.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:26:25 GMT -5
Territory held by ISIL is a war zone. ISIL assets are subject to destruction or seizure. ISIL members are subject to destruction on sight.
I'm not sure what you are proposing that is different? What I'm proposing is that we get rid of the zero civilian deaths standard and we shift to a new standard: zero American deaths from islamists. Not in Tuscon, AZ, Denton, TX, not in Los Angeles, CA, not in Clinton, MD, Motgomery, AL, Baton Rouge, LA, or Wheaton, MD, not in Montgomery County, MD, not in Manassas, VA, or Fredericksburg, VA, Arlington, VA, Aspin Hill, MD, Houston, TX, Scottsville, NY, Baltimore, MD, Denver, CO, Seattle, WA, Irving, TX, or Jonesboro, GA, not in Buffalo, NY, Phoenix, AZ, Little Rock, AR, Glendale, AZ, or Fort Hood, TX, not in Chattanooga, TN, not in Marquette Park, IL, Warren, MI, Buena Vist, NJ, Ashtabula, OH, Boston, MA, Richmond, CA, Port Bolivar, TX, Skyway, WA, West Orange, NJ, Moore, OK, or San Bernadino, CA. Enough is ENOUGH. www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:26:52 GMT -5
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Funny stuff. And speaking of terrorism. A recent study showed way more post 9/11 terrorist attacks in the US from white extremists. These are the anti-govt. types that say the govt. is "violent", "steals tax money at gunpoint"...that kind of stuff. They are everywhere, even here. The report is wrong. www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htm
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:27:51 GMT -5
And by the way- the list I just posted hasn't been updated to reflect the Las Vegas strip attack. How long before they FINALLY admit that one was the 'ol Allahu Akbar?
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 22, 2015 17:33:05 GMT -5
... Hillary Clinton- who is just as radical as Obama, make no mistake about it- ... Zero does equal zero, so I have to agree.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 22, 2015 17:34:40 GMT -5
And by the way- the list I just posted hasn't been updated to reflect the Las Vegas strip attack. How long before they FINALLY admit that one was the 'ol Allahu Akbar?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 17:45:34 GMT -5
... Hillary Clinton- who is just as radical as Obama, make no mistake about it- ... Zero does equal zero, so I have to agree. Something about her radical past bothers her enough that she (and Obama) both have many aspects of their secondary and post secondary education sealed up tighter than a frog's ass. If it's not so bad, why not just release that thesis on Alinsky, Hillary?
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2015 17:57:03 GMT -5
POST 9/11 Paul.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 22, 2015 17:57:11 GMT -5
Zero does equal zero, so I have to agree. Something about her radical past bothers her enough that she (and Obama) both have many aspects of their secondary and post secondary education sealed up tighter than a frog's ass. If it's not so bad, why not just release that thesis on Alinsky, Hillary? You mean this one? Hillary Clinton's 1969 Thesis on Saul Alinsky
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Post by dondub on Dec 22, 2015 17:59:27 GMT -5
Not that old saw again. I will say one thing for Paul...he is relentless even when completely wrong and shown to be wrong. I may have a new nickname for him....wolverine!
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 22, 2015 18:16:16 GMT -5
Just to understand Alinsky's "radical" thoughts, here is something from the thesis I linked above: Sargent Shriver candidly challenged Alinsky by declaring that the War on Poverty had done “more for the Negro in 25 months than Alinsky has in 25 years.”11 Which is precisely Alinsky’s point, for as he replied: “We (the Industrial Areas Foundation) spend $100,000 a year, and Shriver compares us with the U.S. Government. Shriver says he’s done more for the Negro than we have. He’s telling the truth. We’ve never done anything for the Negroes; we’ve worked with them.”12
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 18:54:37 GMT -5
And by the way- the list I just posted hasn't been updated to reflect the Las Vegas strip attack. How long before they FINALLY admit that one was the 'ol Allahu Akbar? if it were not, would you ever admit it?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:06:50 GMT -5
And by the way- the list I just posted hasn't been updated to reflect the Las Vegas strip attack. How long before they FINALLY admit that one was the 'ol Allahu Akbar? if it were not, would you ever admit it? Absolutely. However, jihad by automobile is such a common means of attack- especially here in the US, that I'll assume it's jihad unless or until some other motive is confirmed. It did occur to me that it could be some sort of "Black Lives Matter" terrorism-- or perhaps the intersection of radical islam and BLM-- after all, the Nation of Islam 'reverend' Calypso Louie did call for 10,000 volunteers to kill white people and police. One thing is for certain- it was deliberate. There are dozens of unconfirmed reports that she was shouting allahu akbar. We'll find out eventually.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:11:23 GMT -5
What I'm proposing is that we get rid of the zero civilian deaths standard and we shift to a new standard: zero American deaths from islamists. Not in Tuscon, AZ, Denton, TX, not in Los Angeles, CA, not in Clinton, MD, Motgomery, AL, Baton Rouge, LA, or Wheaton, MD, not in Montgomery County, MD, not in Manassas, VA, or Fredericksburg, VA, Arlington, VA, Aspin Hill, MD, Houston, TX, Scottsville, NY, Baltimore, MD, Denver, CO, Seattle, WA, Irving, TX, or Jonesboro, GA, not in Buffalo, NY, Phoenix, AZ, Little Rock, AR, Glendale, AZ, or Fort Hood, TX, not in Chattanooga, TN, not in Marquette Park, IL, Warren, MI, Buena Vist, NJ, Ashtabula, OH, Boston, MA, Richmond, CA, Port Bolivar, TX, Skyway, WA, West Orange, NJ, Moore, OK, or San Bernadino, CA. Enough is ENOUGH. www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htmPaul-
Your reply is a bit obtuse, but I've seen your proposal elsewhere. I believe you would do this by raining death a thousand times (or some such multiplier) greater on random, innocent or guilty, Muslims for every American death. You would nuke Mecca, and turn the sands of Arabia to glass. Huzzah!
I know it feels good to dream of revenge and dramatic action, and to think in simple terms of good and evil, black and white. Unfortunately it is a lot more nuanced than that. It's just not that easy.
I'm not proposing indiscriminate killing. I'm proposing that we don't let anything stand in our way. In the end, killing every last islamist we can is just as important as killing every last NAZI and every last National Shintoist and dismantling their order, bringing their leaders to justice, and giving second thoughts to anyone considering heading such a movement again. Do we have NAZIs? We do. But they are marginalized, and after decades of proper education, the vast majority of people understand their ideology for the evil it is. I'm not proposing anything different in this case.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 23:12:16 GMT -5
if it were not, would you ever admit it? Absolutely. However, jihad by automobile is such a common means of attack- especially here in the US, yeah, it is just happening all over the place...... that place you cited for "incidents" is rated a hate site by the SPLC, Paul. might want to make a note of that.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:21:12 GMT -5
What I'm proposing is that we get rid of the zero civilian deaths standard and we shift to a new standard: zero American deaths from islamists. Not in Tuscon, AZ, Denton, TX, not in Los Angeles, CA, not in Clinton, MD, Motgomery, AL, Baton Rouge, LA, or Wheaton, MD, not in Montgomery County, MD, not in Manassas, VA, or Fredericksburg, VA, Arlington, VA, Aspin Hill, MD, Houston, TX, Scottsville, NY, Baltimore, MD, Denver, CO, Seattle, WA, Irving, TX, or Jonesboro, GA, not in Buffalo, NY, Phoenix, AZ, Little Rock, AR, Glendale, AZ, or Fort Hood, TX, not in Chattanooga, TN, not in Marquette Park, IL, Warren, MI, Buena Vist, NJ, Ashtabula, OH, Boston, MA, Richmond, CA, Port Bolivar, TX, Skyway, WA, West Orange, NJ, Moore, OK, or San Bernadino, CA. Enough is ENOUGH. www.thereligionofpeace.com/pages/americanattacks.htmPaul-
Your reply is a bit obtuse, but I've seen your proposal elsewhere. I believe you would do this by raining death a thousand times (or some such multiplier) greater on random, innocent or guilty, Muslims for every American death. You would nuke Mecca, and turn the sands of Arabia to glass. Huzzah!
I know it feels good to dream of revenge and dramatic action, and to think in simple terms of good and evil, black and white. Unfortunately it is a lot more nuanced than that. It's just not that easy.
The answers are not easy, but they are simple. It IS actually black and white. This idea of the random packs of islamic radicals running around in the desert, and/or lone wolves springing up here and there after being recruited on facebook is horseshit. These people have a homeland. They come from muslim countries. They receive not only material support- but they are actually radicalized by their host countries like Saudi Arabia, and Qatar- to say nothing of Iran (two different sects, I realize- same hateful ends). We have to quit pretending this war is not a war against other nations. We have to stop pretending that playing whack a mole in the desert while trying desperately to ensure no nearby civilians get hurt is a workable long term strategy-- as if some perpetual police action in 50 countries, and a surveillance state at home is not utter madness. We need to clarify the enemy, and be clear as to our objective: we will achieve absolute victory over radical islam by destroying every radical islamist we can identify be their words, or deeds, and we will utterly destroy the state sponsors of radical islamic terror, destroy their institutions, seize their assets, and we need to make it clear to the muslim countries that wage jihad covertly: we're on to you. Quit it. Fix your shit. Or we will fix you.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 22, 2015 23:24:17 GMT -5
Absolutely. However, jihad by automobile is such a common means of attack- especially here in the US, yeah, it is just happening all over the place...... that place you cited for "incidents" is rated a hate site by the SPLC, Paul. might want to make a note of that. I consider SPLC to be almost completely without credibility. One of the HUGE problems we're having in the war on radical islam is that there is a concerted effort to shield the American public from any notion of the true nature of radical islam. One of the ways the apologists for radical islam to brand the truth as "hate speech". No rational person can deny this, and there's no bigger useful idiot to that end than SPLC.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 22, 2015 23:31:25 GMT -5
yeah, it is just happening all over the place...... that place you cited for "incidents" is rated a hate site by the SPLC, Paul. might want to make a note of that. I consider SPLC to be almost completely without credibility. One of the HUGE problems we're having in the war on radical islam is that there is a concerted effort to shield the American public from any notion of the true nature of radical islam. One of the ways the apologists for radical islam to brand the truth as "hate speech". No rational person can deny this, and there's no bigger useful idiot to that end than SPLC. i have similar feelings about thereligionofpeace.com. just sayin'.
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Post by marvholly on Dec 23, 2015 6:36:25 GMT -5
Had dinner Mon with an old family friend. Talk touched on politics which we seldom do as pretty much opposite poles.
He suggested a Trump/Cruz ticket with Trump getting bored 7 resigning in 3-6 months = President Cruz. Thoughts?
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 23, 2015 6:54:48 GMT -5
Had dinner Mon with an old family friend. Talk touched on politics which we seldom do as pretty much opposite poles.
He suggested a Trump/Cruz ticket with Trump getting bored 7 resigning in 3-6 months = President Cruz. Thoughts? Trump = the biggest loser and the laughing stock of the world.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 23, 2015 7:06:05 GMT -5
Absolutely. However, jihad by automobile is such a common means of attack- especially here in the US, yeah, it is just happening all over the place...... that place you cited for "incidents" is rated a hate site by the SPLC, Paul. might want to make a note of that. Though the roads were wet, there were 42 rear-ender car accidents in the city yesterday. While all the car windows were rolled up, hundreds of thousands of unconfirmable reports from witnesses state the drivers who rear-ended the other cars all ululated and then called out Allahu Akbar as they intentionally crashed into the other vehicles.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2015 10:42:49 GMT -5
Had dinner Mon with an old family friend. Talk touched on politics which we seldom do as pretty much opposite poles.
He suggested a Trump/Cruz ticket with Trump getting bored 7 resigning in 3-6 months = President Cruz. Thoughts? my thought is that Trump is not going to make the ticket, and that the GOP has about a 1:3 chance of winning this year.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 23, 2015 12:11:26 GMT -5
Had dinner Mon with an old family friend. Talk touched on politics which we seldom do as pretty much opposite poles.
He suggested a Trump/Cruz ticket with Trump getting bored 7 resigning in 3-6 months = President Cruz. Thoughts? my thought is that Trump is not going to make the ticket, and that the GOP has about a 1:3 chance of winning this year. I have two thoughts: First, if you study Trump, he has a habit of kicking in doors, and raising hell with the aim of being bought off and going away. And it has worked for him several times- the only time he was notably rebuffed in a major way was the threat to take over American Airlines. So, if this is what he's up to- what's he want? And how does he "go away" and save face-- e.g. how does he not go away a "loser"? Second, Trump has genuinely had it up to here, got in to shake things up- but now sees a real shot at the brass ring, and is in it to win it. I've expressed my reservations about Trump supporters being able to survive the fire swamp of electoral rules and regulations. The prospect of political neophytes making it through to actually get their guy in? Inconceivable! BUT, there's another thought that's been churning in my head for some time now, too-- that Trump's support runs deeper, and is far greater than anyone really has a handle on yet- that it is entirely possible his numbers are being suppressed, that people are lying to pollsters, that revolution is in the air, but it's a quiet burning ember kind of revolution which is going to detonate at the polls where it counts. www.businessinsider.com/trumps-support-is-even-stronger-than-you-think-2015-12
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my thought is that Trump is not going to make the ticket, and that the GOP has about a 1:3 chance of winning this year. I have two thoughts: First, if you study Trump, he has a habit of kicking in doors, and raising hell with the aim of being bought off and going away. And it has worked for him several times- the only time he was notably rebuffed in a major way was the threat to take over American Airlines. So, if this is what he's up to- what's he want? And how does he "go away" and save face-- e.g. how does he not go away a "loser"? Second, Trump has genuinely had it up to here, got in to shake things up- but now sees a real shot at the brass ring, and is in it to win it. I've expressed my reservations about Trump supporters being able to survive the fire swamp of electoral rules and regulations. The prospect of political neophytes making it through to actually get their guy in? Inconceivable! BUT, there's another thought that's been churning in my head for some time now, too-- that Trump's support runs deeper, and is far greater than anyone really has a handle on yet- that it is entirely possible his numbers are being suppressed, that people are lying to pollsters, that revolution is in the air, but it's a quiet burning ember kind of revolution which is going to detonate at the polls where it counts. www.businessinsider.com/trumps-support-is-even-stronger-than-you-think-2015-12I see the Presidency to be three things: 1) A "bully pulpit" 2) Chief Executive Officer of a very large operation 3) The "face" of America that the world sees So Donald Trump: 1) I am not supportive of many of the things that he proposes but the essence of democracy is the voters determine if his views are what should pushed. 2) I think he would do no worse and perhaps a little better than most running the executive branch. Where he runs it is a bit of an issue for me but see 1 above. 3) This is my major concern with Donald Trump. I don't want the world to look at him/his style and see my country.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 23, 2015 13:10:10 GMT -5
my thought is that Trump is not going to make the ticket, and that the GOP has about a 1:3 chance of winning this year. I have two thoughts: First, if you study Trump, he has a habit of kicking in doors, and raising hell with the aim of being bought off and going away. And it has worked for him several times- the only time he was notably rebuffed in a major way was the threat to take over American Airlines. So, if this is what he's up to- what's he want? And how does he "go away" and save face-- e.g. how does he not go away a "loser"? Second, Trump has genuinely had it up to here, got in to shake things up- but now sees a real shot at the brass ring, and is in it to win it. I've expressed my reservations about Trump supporters being able to survive the fire swamp of electoral rules and regulations. The prospect of political neophytes making it through to actually get their guy in? Inconceivable! BUT, there's another thought that's been churning in my head for some time now, too-- that Trump's support runs deeper, and is far greater than anyone really has a handle on yet- that it is entirely possible his numbers are being suppressed, that people are lying to pollsters, that revolution is in the air, but it's a quiet burning ember kind of revolution which is going to detonate at the polls where it counts. www.businessinsider.com/trumps-support-is-even-stronger-than-you-think-2015-12i don't agree with BusinessInsider's analysis, here. but we shall see.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 23, 2015 18:15:35 GMT -5
Had dinner Mon with an old family friend. Talk touched on politics which we seldom do as pretty much opposite poles.
He suggested a Trump/Cruz ticket with Trump getting bored 7 resigning in 3-6 months = President Cruz. Thoughts? Trump = the biggest loser and the laughing stock of the world. Nope Celebrity Apprentice winner
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Post by fishy999 on Dec 24, 2015 2:50:58 GMT -5
my thought is that Trump is not going to make the ticket, and that the GOP has about a 1:3 chance of winning this year. I have two thoughts: First, if you study Trump, he has a habit of kicking in doors, and raising hell with the aim of being bought off and going away. And it has worked for him several times- the only time he was notably rebuffed in a major way was the threat to take over American Airlines. So, if this is what he's up to- what's he want? And how does he "go away" and save face-- e.g. how does he not go away a "loser"? Second, Trump has genuinely had it up to here, got in to shake things up- but now sees a real shot at the brass ring, and is in it to win it. I've expressed my reservations about Trump supporters being able to survive the fire swamp of electoral rules and regulations. The prospect of political neophytes making it through to actually get their guy in? Inconceivable! BUT, there's another thought that's been churning in my head for some time now, too-- that Trump's support runs deeper, and is far greater than anyone really has a handle on yet- that it is entirely possible his numbers are being suppressed, that people are lying to pollsters, that revolution is in the air, but it's a quiet burning ember kind of revolution which is going to detonate at the polls where it counts. www.businessinsider.com/trumps-support-is-even-stronger-than-you-think-2015-12Not enough shitheads in this country I will pray to God for that
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