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Post by fishy999 on Dec 12, 2015 0:40:56 GMT -5
Perfect example of captain douche- invited certain black evangelicals to a meeting and put out a press statement about how how they were going to come to the meeting and endorse Trump- that is how low he views them- thought they would play ball. Every thing this giant mouth vomit does is calculated. Master of Puppets. Whatever anyone says, the media says, facts, damn all of it and flip it on them- and as Luntz proved his base will just get stronger- if Trump gets elected America drops down about 30 notches and will be a direct reflection of the soul of this country- and it would be very dark and ugly.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 12, 2015 1:09:27 GMT -5
It's one of the coolest things I have ever seen. He really is speaking for a lot of people I know. They are sick of the status quo of acting like white people have never been slaves - there are people of all fucking races that are still slaves to this day. The majority of all people get it here in this country as far as I'm concerned. The old world FUCKING sucks and we need to get this shit straight so we can lead the free world the way it was meant to be done. All I know is that I have been saying for a while that a Trump/Jeb tickect isn't a bad looking one. being sick of the status quo is not a good excuse for supporting bad ideas. He's also getting conversation started. So backing him with someone who has a lot of political background to build policy..??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2015 1:11:27 GMT -5
It's one of the coolest things I have ever seen. He really is speaking for a lot of people I know. They are sick of the status quo of acting like white people have never been slaves - there are people of all fucking races that are still slaves to this day. The majority of all people get it here in this country as far as I'm concerned. The old world FUCKING sucks and we need to get this shit straight so we can lead the free world the way it was meant to be done. All I know is that I have been saying for a while that a Trump/Jeb tickect isn't a bad looking one. Trump can't name an establishment candidate. Maybe his supporters are loyal, but that's because he hasn't sold them out. Yet. He names Jeb, Rubio, or Fiorina-- he's dead. Not to mention, he's got his pride, and he's already ripped them all. I think we're looking at Trump-Cruz, OR Trump and someone we haven't considered yet.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2015 1:11:55 GMT -5
It's one of the coolest things I have ever seen. He really is speaking for a lot of people I know. They are sick of the status quo of acting like white people have never been slaves - there are people of all fucking races that are still slaves to this day. The majority of all people get it here in this country as far as I'm concerned. The old world FUCKING sucks and we need to get this shit straight so we can lead the free world the way it was meant to be done. All I know is that I have been saying for a while that a Trump/Jeb tickect isn't a bad looking one. being sick of the status quo is not a good excuse for supporting bad ideas. Hope & Change ring a bell?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2015 1:13:12 GMT -5
I fully acknowledge that this is anecdotal, and I live in a conservative county anyway- but I am astonished by the open support for Trump in the black neighborhoods that had the Obama 2012 signs a few cycles ago. Fluke, or trend? Is Trump going to get the black vote? Are you actually suggesting that black people might actually vote with their brains and not the color of their skin? Pretty funny considering the last arguments made about how they voted for Obama because he was black........ No, no, no! Blacks voted for Obama because blacks vote Democrat. It's just what they do. WHITE people voted for Obama because he's black.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 12, 2015 1:14:58 GMT -5
Perfect example of captain douche- invited certain black evangelicals to a meeting and put out a press statement about how how they were going to come to the meeting and endorse Trump- that is how low he views them- thought they would play ball. Every thing this giant mouth vomit does is calculated. Master of Puppets. Whatever anyone says, the media says, facts, damn all of it and flip it on them- and as Luntz proved his base will just get stronger- if Trump gets elected America drops down about 30 notches and will be a direct reflection of the soul of this country- and it would be very dark and ugly. If by dark and ugly, you mean no longer morally, fiscally, and culturally adrift- bring on the dark and ugly.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 12, 2015 1:15:20 GMT -5
It's one of the coolest things I have ever seen. He really is speaking for a lot of people I know. They are sick of the status quo of acting like white people have never been slaves - there are people of all fucking races that are still slaves to this day. The majority of all people get it here in this country as far as I'm concerned. The old world FUCKING sucks and we need to get this shit straight so we can lead the free world the way it was meant to be done. All I know is that I have been saying for a while that a Trump/Jeb tickect isn't a bad looking one. Trump can't name an establishment candidate. Maybe his supporters are loyal, but that's because he hasn't sold them out. Yet. He names Jeb, Rubio, or Fiorina-- he's dead. Not to mention, he's got his pride, and he's already ripped them all. I think we're looking at Trump-Cruz, OR Trump and someone we haven't considered yet. The establishment is simply a set of ideas though really. So if Trump announced a pretty radical plan, then attributes it to his VP canidiit - like he said a team that knows what they are doing with experience....
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2015 1:27:47 GMT -5
being sick of the status quo is not a good excuse for supporting bad ideas. Hope & Change ring a bell? not for me. i don't give a crap about hope. i want action. i do, however, have an immense love of change. we didn't get much. i would like more change now. preferably NOT back to how things were 8 years ago, thanks.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2015 1:28:33 GMT -5
being sick of the status quo is not a good excuse for supporting bad ideas. He's also getting conversation started. So backing him with someone who has a lot of political background to build policy..?? only if you think he is the type of person who heeds good advice. i don't.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 12, 2015 2:06:08 GMT -5
He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2015 12:03:47 GMT -5
He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good. i think precisely the opposite of this.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 12, 2015 12:45:38 GMT -5
Are you actually suggesting that black people might actually vote with their brains and not the color of their skin? Pretty funny considering the last arguments made about how they voted for Obama because he was black........ No, no, no! Blacks voted for Obama because blacks vote Democrat. It's just what they do. WHITE people voted for Obama because he's black. True to your first claim: As for your second claim, false. I never would have voted for Carson and I'm white.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 12, 2015 14:04:16 GMT -5
No, no, no! Blacks voted for Obama because blacks vote Democrat. It's just what they do. WHITE people voted for Obama because he's black. True to your first claim: As for your second claim, false. I never would have voted for Carson and I'm white. it looks like more Blacks registered as Republican than any time since Eisenhower for the last election. then came Romney, and his 47% bullshit.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 12, 2015 21:01:04 GMT -5
He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good. i think precisely the opposite of this. How so?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 13, 2015 19:30:36 GMT -5
i think precisely the opposite of this. How so? i think his charm lies in the fact that he states his opinions without giving a crap about whether they are popular or not.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 14, 2015 8:38:01 GMT -5
He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good. If Trump has advisors he's ignoring them. No political advisor would suggest he run his mouth and alienate so many segments of the voting public like he has. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissists are often good leaders of companies, because they come across as very decisive and forceful, because they are 100% confident of themselves, but they do not take advice at all, for the same reason. Trump has stated in the past he operates on his own gut feelings, and he is always right. I would suggest he is not always right, but being a narcissist, he blames his failures on others and claims responsibility for successes that aren't necessarily his. This isn't the kind of person who needs to run the largest economy in the world. Any rational human would understand he doesn't know enough to make decisions solo, but Trump is not any rational human. Trump is not the great businessman he claims to be. If he had simply sold his assets 30 years ago and put the money into an unmanaged stock fund trust 30 years ago, he would have more money today than he does. Yet to hear him talk, he's the kind of the deal. He's a bullshit artist, and he's bullshitting himself into a position where he could do incredible amounts of damage. www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 14, 2015 11:40:44 GMT -5
He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good. If Trump has advisors he's ignoring them. No political advisor would suggest he run his mouth and alienate so many segments of the voting public like he has. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissists are often good leaders of companies, because they come across as very decisive and forceful, because they are 100% confident of themselves, but they do not take advice at all, for the same reason. Trump has stated in the past he operates on his own gut feelings, and he is always right. I would suggest he is not always right, but being a narcissist, he blames his failures on others and claims responsibility for successes that aren't necessarily his. This isn't the kind of person who needs to run the largest economy in the world. Any rational human would understand he doesn't know enough to make decisions solo, but Trump is not any rational human. Trump is not the great businessman he claims to be. If he had simply sold his assets 30 years ago and put the money into an unmanaged stock fund trust 30 years ago, he would have more money today than he does. Yet to hear him talk, he's the kind of the deal. He's a bullshit artist, and he's bullshitting himself into a position where he could do incredible amounts of damage. www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/i think the thing that bothers me most about the Trump Trope is that it overlooks the huge advantages he had as a child. he is about as much a self made man as was Getty, DuPont, or Rockefeller.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 15, 2015 15:53:06 GMT -5
If Trump has advisors he's ignoring them. No political advisor would suggest he run his mouth and alienate so many segments of the voting public like he has. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissists are often good leaders of companies, because they come across as very decisive and forceful, because they are 100% confident of themselves, but they do not take advice at all, for the same reason. Trump has stated in the past he operates on his own gut feelings, and he is always right. I would suggest he is not always right, but being a narcissist, he blames his failures on others and claims responsibility for successes that aren't necessarily his. This isn't the kind of person who needs to run the largest economy in the world. Any rational human would understand he doesn't know enough to make decisions solo, but Trump is not any rational human. Trump is not the great businessman he claims to be. If he had simply sold his assets 30 years ago and put the money into an unmanaged stock fund trust 30 years ago, he would have more money today than he does. Yet to hear him talk, he's the kind of the deal. He's a bullshit artist, and he's bullshitting himself into a position where he could do incredible amounts of damage. www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/i think the thing that bothers me most about the Trump Trope is that it overlooks the huge advantages he had as a child. he is about as much a self made man as was Getty, DuPont, or Rockefeller. Exactly. His grandpa amassed a fortune in bootleg liquor and hookers in Canada.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 15, 2015 16:17:46 GMT -5
The one response in all the deflection here that actually pertains to the comment I made: The major flaw in your logic being that his numbers continue to increase in spite of this so called alienation... www.fox4beaumont.com/community/features/community-news/stories/local-imam-says-he-forced-resign-because-he-agrees-trump-muslim-immigration-1932.shtmlAnother major flaw is that he already said that he has a National Security team pretty much in place(picked out). Just an FYI for those of you that seem to be missing it, the more you try to attack Donald's business record (he made it in NYC) the more you lose the argument as to why he has tons of business experience. (Good or bad is irrelevant, he made it in NYC RE, some know what that means)
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 15, 2015 16:39:17 GMT -5
If Trump has advisors he's ignoring them. No political advisor would suggest he run his mouth and alienate so many segments of the voting public like he has. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissists are often good leaders of companies, because they come across as very decisive and forceful, because they are 100% confident of themselves, but they do not take advice at all, for the same reason. Trump has stated in the past he operates on his own gut feelings, and he is always right. I would suggest he is not always right, but being a narcissist, he blames his failures on others and claims responsibility for successes that aren't necessarily his. This isn't the kind of person who needs to run the largest economy in the world. Any rational human would understand he doesn't know enough to make decisions solo, but Trump is not any rational human. Trump is not the great businessman he claims to be. If he had simply sold his assets 30 years ago and put the money into an unmanaged stock fund trust 30 years ago, he would have more money today than he does. Yet to hear him talk, he's the kind of the deal. He's a bullshit artist, and he's bullshitting himself into a position where he could do incredible amounts of damage. www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/i think the thing that bothers me most about the Trump Trope is that it overlooks the huge advantages he had as a child. he is about as much a self made man as was Getty, DuPont, or Rockefeller. Lots of people couldn't turn a million dollar loan into a billion dollar fortune. It's an achievement. I would not discount it.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2015 21:08:16 GMT -5
i think the thing that bothers me most about the Trump Trope is that it overlooks the huge advantages he had as a child. he is about as much a self made man as was Getty, DuPont, or Rockefeller. Lots of people couldn't turn a million dollar loan into a billion dollar fortune. It's an achievement. I would not discount it. Trump did no such thing. he turned $500M in assets into $10B. the same investment in a mutual fund would have given him $20B in those (33) years. he sucks at business, imo. he sucks at a lot of things. he just loves to tell everyone how great he is. it is all a lie. yeah, he got a million dollar loan. he wants you to think that is how he made his billions. it isn't.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 15, 2015 21:09:59 GMT -5
The one response in all the deflection here that actually pertains to the comment I made: The major flaw in your logic being that his numbers continue to increase in spite of this so called alienation... www.fox4beaumont.com/community/features/community-news/stories/local-imam-says-he-forced-resign-because-he-agrees-trump-muslim-immigration-1932.shtmlAnother major flaw is that he already said that he has a National Security team pretty much in place(picked out). Just an FYI for those of you that seem to be missing it, the more you try to attack Donald's business record (he made it in NYC) the more you lose the argument as to why he has tons of business experience. (Good or bad is irrelevant, he made it in NYC RE, some know what that means) but you said he was relying on advisers, Aham. he isn't, imo. but you know what? i am tired of speculation. if you believe that it is true, prove it.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 15, 2015 22:09:53 GMT -5
If Trump has advisors he's ignoring them. No political advisor would suggest he run his mouth and alienate so many segments of the voting public like he has. Trump is a narcissist. Narcissists are often good leaders of companies, because they come across as very decisive and forceful, because they are 100% confident of themselves, but they do not take advice at all, for the same reason. Trump has stated in the past he operates on his own gut feelings, and he is always right. I would suggest he is not always right, but being a narcissist, he blames his failures on others and claims responsibility for successes that aren't necessarily his. This isn't the kind of person who needs to run the largest economy in the world. Any rational human would understand he doesn't know enough to make decisions solo, but Trump is not any rational human. Trump is not the great businessman he claims to be. If he had simply sold his assets 30 years ago and put the money into an unmanaged stock fund trust 30 years ago, he would have more money today than he does. Yet to hear him talk, he's the kind of the deal. He's a bullshit artist, and he's bullshitting himself into a position where he could do incredible amounts of damage. www.moneytalksnews.com/why-youre-probably-better-investing-than-donald-trump/i think the thing that bothers me most about the Trump Trope is that it overlooks the huge advantages he had as a child. he is about as much a self made man as was Getty, DuPont, or Rockefeller. Another one who was born on third base and thinks he hit a triple.
ETA: As I think about it, he more likely thinks he rocketed one so hard off the wall that it bounced back to the infield before he could advance, and then he stole second and third without drawing a throw.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 15, 2015 23:43:13 GMT -5
Lots of people couldn't turn a million dollar loan into a billion dollar fortune. It's an achievement. I would not discount it. Trump did no such thing. he turned $500M in assets into $10B. the same investment in a mutual fund would have given him $20B in those (33) years. he sucks at business, imo. he sucks at a lot of things. he just loves to tell everyone how great he is. it is all a lie. yeah, he got a million dollar loan. he wants you to think that is how he made his billions. it isn't. I'm unaware of what Trump inherited- I'll take your word for it. The point is that a lot of people would manage to screw that up completely- he didn't. Some of us don't want to plunk our money into mutual funds. We like what we do, and if we had the money to do it-- and it returned enough for our purposes- we'd think that was just fine. Btw- Trump did very well in the debate tonight. Probably his best performance. Christie was good as well. I thought Cruz was flat. He had a lot of time, but didn't say anything remarkable.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 16, 2015 0:50:24 GMT -5
The one response in all the deflection here that actually pertains to the comment I made: The major flaw in your logic being that his numbers continue to increase in spite of this so called alienation... www.fox4beaumont.com/community/features/community-news/stories/local-imam-says-he-forced-resign-because-he-agrees-trump-muslim-immigration-1932.shtmlAnother major flaw is that he already said that he has a National Security team pretty much in place(picked out). Just an FYI for those of you that seem to be missing it, the more you try to attack Donald's business record (he made it in NYC) the more you lose the argument as to why he has tons of business experience. (Good or bad is irrelevant, he made it in NYC RE, some know what that means) but you said he was relying on advisers, Aham. he isn't, imo. but you know what? i am tired of speculation. if you believe that it is true, prove it. That not what I said. What actually said was: He's almost just put it out there like he's going to have a team help him do this, and he will be the media guy that the President has to be. If he wasn't listening to people his numbers wouldn't be this good. What would you like me to prove? That he has already stated publicly that he will build a good team? That he named two nominations he would already make? That he apparently has a national security team already picked out(under wraps)? Or would you like me to prove that his numbers keep going up, that he keeps beating the media at their own game, and he keeps proving people that say he is finished wrong? Because honestly, google has all of the info and I know you know the rest.
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Post by Aman A.K.A. Ahamburger on Dec 16, 2015 0:57:39 GMT -5
Trump did no such thing. he turned $500M in assets into $10B. the same investment in a mutual fund would have given him $20B in those (33) years. he sucks at business, imo. he sucks at a lot of things. he just loves to tell everyone how great he is. it is all a lie. yeah, he got a million dollar loan. he wants you to think that is how he made his billions. it isn't. I'm unaware of what Trump inherited- I'll take your word for it. The point is that a lot of people would manage to screw that up completely- he didn't. Some of us don't want to plunk our money into mutual funds. We like what we do, and if we had the money to do it-- and it returned enough for our purposes- we'd think that was just fine. Btw- Trump did very well in the debate tonight. Probably his best performance. Christie was good as well. I thought Cruz was flat. He had a lot of time, but didn't say anything remarkable. Trumps old man wasn't even worth that much when he passed. There was like 300 million to split up between four kids, and this was well after he was established. If you looked hard enough you could find the ordinal loan amount I'm sure, and I'm sure in wasn't Trump change, but $500 million it was not. The guy has done really well in one of the hardest industries there is, in one of the toughest cities on the planet. Argue if he is good or bad all you want, Trump has a TON of experience in politics, as big real estate deals are half politics anyway. And we haven't even touched on people that win 10,30,100 million in the lottery and are broke within a few years...
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 16, 2015 1:55:49 GMT -5
Trump did no such thing. he turned $500M in assets into $10B. the same investment in a mutual fund would have given him $20B in those (33) years. he sucks at business, imo. he sucks at a lot of things. he just loves to tell everyone how great he is. it is all a lie. yeah, he got a million dollar loan. he wants you to think that is how he made his billions. it isn't. I'm unaware of what Trump inherited- I'll take your word for it. The point is that a lot of people would manage to screw that up completely- he didn't. Some of us don't want to plunk our money into mutual funds. We like what we do, and if we had the money to do it-- and it returned enough for our purposes- we'd think that was just fine. Btw- Trump did very well in the debate tonight. Probably his best performance. Christie was good as well. I thought Cruz was flat. He had a lot of time, but didn't say anything remarkable. He was making faces like a three year old.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 16, 2015 8:08:15 GMT -5
I'm unaware of what Trump inherited- I'll take your word for it. The point is that a lot of people would manage to screw that up completely- he didn't. Some of us don't want to plunk our money into mutual funds. We like what we do, and if we had the money to do it-- and it returned enough for our purposes- we'd think that was just fine. Btw- Trump did very well in the debate tonight. Probably his best performance. Christie was good as well. I thought Cruz was flat. He had a lot of time, but didn't say anything remarkable. He was making faces like a three year old. That's a sign of Trump's greatest weakness, and his greatest strength. George H.W. Bush was berated for weeks over glancing at his watch and he didn't know how to respond because it was bullshit, and he was too old fashioned to say so. Trump's face making and gestures are a clear indication of his impatience. And I can relate, because he was wondering the same thing I was wondering about Jeb: what the hell is this loser even doing here? He's done. He's toast. He's out. He's not going to win a single state, and may not win a single delegate, and in the real world of business where Trump has lived all of his life up until the last five months-- a guy like that would have been dispatched long ago and never heard from again.
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Post by happyhoix on Dec 16, 2015 8:25:13 GMT -5
Trump did no such thing. he turned $500M in assets into $10B. the same investment in a mutual fund would have given him $20B in those (33) years. he sucks at business, imo. he sucks at a lot of things. he just loves to tell everyone how great he is. it is all a lie. yeah, he got a million dollar loan. he wants you to think that is how he made his billions. it isn't. I'm unaware of what Trump inherited- I'll take your word for it. The point is that a lot of people would manage to screw that up completely- he didn't. Some of us don't want to plunk our money into mutual funds. We like what we do, and if we had the money to do it-- and it returned enough for our purposes- we'd think that was just fine. Btw- Trump did very well in the debate tonight. Probably his best performance. Christie was good as well. I thought Cruz was flat. He had a lot of time, but didn't say anything remarkable. So he inherited a fortune and managed not to piss it away and that makes him qualified to be president? I've managed to grow my net worth every year since I graduated college. I guess that qualifies me to be Queen of Georgia. Cruz lost me on the question about carpet bombing Isis. Isis is not a city or an encampment someplace. Isis is located within cities and towns lots of places. If we start carpet bombing every place where Isis is, we're going to kill hundreds of thousands of civilians who happened to be near where some Isis troops are. Does not sound like the way to win the civilians over to our side. Instead, it sounds like a way to generate a whole new generation of terrorists.
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