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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 4, 2015 14:39:27 GMT -5
We just had our first state-wide conference call this week. Several organizers- and mind you, I'm in Florida where the average age of a politically active person is 106- stated that in their lifetimes they have NEVER seen an organization like Ted Cruz's campaign-- and he hasn't spent a nickel here. We're buying our own signs and stuff. quick question, Paul- did Cruz's dad come ashore in Florida?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 6, 2015 12:31:14 GMT -5
I have never seen a campaign won with an air war alone. People are fickle. If you don't have people on the ground, in their face, and reinforcing the message with bumper stickers, signs, and all the rest of that crap we hate (but it works) then I don't see how you win. I'm old fashioned, I'd never miss an opportunity to say: I need your vote. If you want this, I'm counting on you. Talk to your friends and neighbors. I'd be very, very persistent as a candidate-- but that's because I'm a marketer, and I know that you sell until the deal is sealed. i am inclined to agree, Paul. but the reason i didn't say so right away is that everything about this campaign has surprised me, so far.Yeah, like the fact that it's December and we're still talking about his campaign.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 6, 2015 12:31:38 GMT -5
We just had our first state-wide conference call this week. Several organizers- and mind you, I'm in Florida where the average age of a politically active person is 106- stated that in their lifetimes they have NEVER seen an organization like Ted Cruz's campaign-- and he hasn't spent a nickel here. We're buying our own signs and stuff. quick question, Paul- did Cruz's dad come ashore in Florida? I'm honestly not sure.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 12:38:22 GMT -5
i am inclined to agree, Paul. but the reason i didn't say so right away is that everything about this campaign has surprised me, so far.Yeah, like the fact that it's December and we're still talking about his campaign. no, not that. i figured we would still be TALKING ABOUT IT. just not in these terms. edit: one more thing. i figured he would probably be leading until "about now". i just had assumed it would be closer.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 6, 2015 13:00:27 GMT -5
The Dazzling Pink Rug Shopping Theory of Trump's Demise...
This is the kind of establishment lunacy- the unbridled madness of the political class that, rather than explain why Trump will ultimately lose, actually explains precisely why he's winning. The fact of the matter is that Trump is a serious, substantive candidate and efforts to dismiss this fact and the failure to address him on substance is why his ideas are taking root, and he is gaining, rather than losing momentum. Because this mumbo jumbo is from the same moonbat that judged Obama based on the crease in his slaks.
Well, he did fuck it up. He fucked it right up. And there is a new kind of rage out there now- it's not a hot flash, explosive rage-- it's the steely "sleeper cell" resolve kind and they're going to get rid of Brooks and the rest of these establishment assholes if it's the last thing they do, and they DO NOT CARE if they have to elect Trump to do it.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 6, 2015 13:23:00 GMT -5
... and they DO NOT CARE if they have to elect Trump to do it. I think that this is the first half of Brooks' point. They are seriously considering buying the dazzling pink rug. The only question is are there enough who will buy it to get him the nomination and, if, then enough who will buy it to gain him the office. I have to be honest that I am intrigued by what would happen if there is and they take it home and put it on the floor. Would be interesting.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 14:02:04 GMT -5
The Dazzling Pink Rug Shopping Theory of Trump's Demise...This is the kind of establishment lunacy- the unbridled madness of the political class that, rather than explain why Trump will ultimately lose, actually explains precisely why he's winning. The fact of the matter is that Trump is a serious, substantive candidate
substantive? how so?
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 15:10:37 GMT -5
CNN reported this morning Trump has increased his lead of the field. 36% TO 17% for nearest challenger.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 15:15:26 GMT -5
CNN reported this morning Trump has increased his lead of the field. 36% TO 17% for nearest challenger. that would be a decrease of 1% over their last survey (December 4th), if true. he lead by 20% on Friday.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 6, 2015 15:39:17 GMT -5
I find this interesting:
This signifies to me that Trump's appeal is not based on issues or positions. That does not bode well either for his ability to get the nomination or his ability to govern in the extremely unlikely event he gets elected.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 6, 2015 16:53:51 GMT -5
Considering what we accomplished, and the outcome- WWII was short, if not simple. We have been fighting a street gang with small arms for 15 fucking years. It's time to mop 'em up and come home.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 6, 2015 17:03:52 GMT -5
The Dazzling Pink Rug Shopping Theory of Trump's Demise...This is the kind of establishment lunacy- the unbridled madness of the political class that, rather than explain why Trump will ultimately lose, actually explains precisely why he's winning. The fact of the matter is that Trump is a serious, substantive candidate
substantive? how so? A better question would be how not? And you have to understand my context- ideas are substance. He isn't winning on name-calling. He isn't winning on platitudes and bumper sticker slogans (save for his theme of "make America Great Again" which is kinda hopey-changey. Trump has made serious, substantive proposals on big issues of concern to the electorate. You are entitled to not like his ideas. You are entitled to ask for more detail / how. But so far, he's gone basically unresponded to in the realm of ideas because the other candidates are so lacking in actual substance themselves-- or, they're wrong, and attacking Trump's policy positions would expose their own weaknesses. Trump has put forth proposals to deal with immigration, a mid-east policy that would involve going in and creating a "safe zone" for refugees within Syria, taking the oil away from ISIS-- and keeping it, letting American oil interests have it, basically turning it into a national asset run by our private companies (a fascist proposal to be sure), an immigration system that identifies who is here, deports illegal immigrants, and sets up a secure border with checkpoints paid for in concessions by the Mexican government in trade and other areas, a tax proposal that basically rolls us back to 1986, and other proposals. These are real ideas. They have serious weaknesses-- and someone ought to be out there saying: Look, you may think what Trump says about cutting the money off from ISIS by taking the oil sounds great, but here's what that looks like in practice. You might think what Trump is saying about trade is great, but here's what a trade war looks like-- and you could do an easy lesson on Smoot Hawley and the Great Depression (which would be highly useful in informing the public that it was anything but laissez faire capitalism). Because here's the thing: if someone doesn't get their head out of their ass and set about PERSUADING Trump SUPPORTERS that his ideas are found wanting, we're going to get those ideas as policy.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 6, 2015 17:47:34 GMT -5
Well, he did fuck it up. He fucked it right up.
...they're going to get rid of Brooks and the rest of these establishment assholes if it's the last thing they do, and they DO NOT CARE if they have to elect Trump to do it.
Tell us how you really feel.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 18:02:15 GMT -5
A better question would be how not? And you have to understand my context- ideas are substance. He isn't winning on name-calling. He isn't winning on platitudes and bumper sticker slogans (save for his theme of "make America Great Again" which is kinda hopey-changey. Trump has made serious, substantive proposals on big issues of concern to the electorate. no, he has made really dumb proposals on issues of concern. but i will grant that he has at least made dumb proposals. kudos for that. we can now reject his proposals as dumb, and move on.You are entitled to not like his ideas. You are entitled to ask for more detail / how. But so far, he's gone basically unresponded to in the realm of ideas because the other candidates are so lacking in actual substance themselves-- or, they're wrong, and attacking Trump's policy positions would expose their own weaknesses. Trump has put forth proposals to deal with immigration, a mid-east policy that would involve going in and creating a "safe zone" for refugees within Syria, taking the oil away from ISIS-- and keeping it, letting American oil interests have it, basically turning it into a national asset run by our private companies (a fascist proposal to be sure), an immigration system that identifies who is here, deports illegal immigrants, and sets up a secure border with checkpoints paid for in concessions by the Mexican government in trade and other areas, a tax proposal that basically rolls us back to 1986, and other proposals. These are real ideas. They have serious weaknesses-- and someone ought to be out there saying: Look, you may think what Trump says about cutting the money off from ISIS by taking the oil sounds great, but here's what that looks like in practice. i don't even understand that proposal. what exactly IS that proposal?You might think what Trump is saying about trade is great, but here's what a trade war looks like-- and you could do an easy lesson on Smoot Hawley and the Great Depression (which would be highly useful in informing the public that it was anything but laissez faire capitalism). Because here's the thing: if someone doesn't get their head out of their ass and set about PERSUADING Trump SUPPORTERS that his ideas are found wanting, we're going to get those ideas as policy. yeah, i will concede that readily.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 18:04:07 GMT -5
i already reported on that poll. but whatever. it bears repeating. but only if it is confirmed by another poll. otherwise, it is a serious outlier.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 18:05:10 GMT -5
I find this interesting:
This signifies to me that Trump's appeal is not based on issues or positions. That does not bode well either for his ability to get the nomination or his ability to govern in the extremely unlikely event he gets elected. he is the candidate of the WIV.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 19:34:53 GMT -5
quick question, Paul- did Cruz's dad come ashore in Florida? I'm honestly not sure. He came to Texas on a student visa and stayed as an illegal immigrant.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 6, 2015 21:02:55 GMT -5
He came to Texas on a student visa and stayed as an illegal immigrant. Is that really true? If so, deport the old guy now. Cruz is good because of being born here and if that's not enough, the Dream Act
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Post by Opti on Dec 6, 2015 21:44:00 GMT -5
I find this interesting:
This signifies to me that Trump's appeal is not based on issues or positions. That does not bode well either for his ability to get the nomination or his ability to govern in the extremely unlikely event he gets elected. he is the candidate of the WIV. What is WIV?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 21:45:59 GMT -5
he is the candidate of the WIV. What is WIV? Wrong Information Voter.
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Post by tallguy on Dec 6, 2015 22:04:13 GMT -5
Goes along with the Low Information Voter and the Zero Information Voter.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 6, 2015 22:20:11 GMT -5
Goes along with the Low Information Voter and the Zero Information Voter. it is a game EVERYONE can play! FUN FOR THE WHOLE FAMILY!
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Post by b2r on Dec 6, 2015 22:22:54 GMT -5
Must make you all HIV...that's a positive.
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Post by Tennesseer on Dec 6, 2015 22:28:43 GMT -5
Must make you all HIV...that's a positive. That's pretty low.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 6, 2015 22:37:07 GMT -5
Must make you all HIV...that's a positive. That's... pretty bad. Of course, we all prefer to think of ourselves as High Information Voters.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 6, 2015 23:34:03 GMT -5
He came to Texas on a student visa and stayed as an illegal immigrant. Is that really true? If so, deport the old guy now. Cruz is good because of being born here and if that's not enough, the Dream Act Ummm...what? Born here? Where is "here"? Cruz was born in Canada.
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Post by weltschmerz on Dec 7, 2015 5:16:57 GMT -5
Do you want him back? Heavens, no!
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 7, 2015 7:25:18 GMT -5
Is that really true? If so, deport the old guy now. Cruz is good because of being born here and if that's not enough, the Dream Act Ummm...what? Born here? Where is "here"? Cruz was born in Canada.
Take him back. Please! You have to admit with him in charge in Canada, the Muslim refugee influx would be halted.
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