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Post by Opti on Dec 2, 2015 13:59:29 GMT -5
Maybe Trump is having issues with dementia or Alzheimers but does not know it yet. While he exaggerated in the past, I do not remember him being this loose with truth and reality prior to this campaign.
He reminds me of a some patients I have dealt with. They are amazing with the stories and will not acknowledge they were incorrect even if it can be proven.
i think he is basically feeling pretty Godly right now. and wouldn't you? seriously. he has been front runner for PRESIDENT for a good long while now. what would that do to YOUR ego, if you were already a pompous ass to begin with? how would you feel if, every time you exaggerated, your poll numbers went UP? seriously, i am not big on human nature, but i think i know narcissism pretty well. what would a pathological narcissist do? Don't know DJ. He's probably pushing to see how far he can go.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 2, 2015 15:01:13 GMT -5
Maybe Trump is having issues with dementia or Alzheimers but does not know it yet. While he exaggerated in the past, I do not remember him being this loose with truth and reality prior to this campaign.
He reminds me of a some patients I have dealt with. They are amazing with the stories and will not acknowledge they were incorrect even if it can be proven.
i think he is basically feeling pretty Godly right now. and wouldn't you? seriously. he has been front runner for PRESIDENT for a good long while now. what would that do to YOUR ego, if you were already a pompous ass to begin with? how would you feel if, every time you exaggerated, your poll numbers went UP? seriously, i am not big on human nature, but i think i know narcissism pretty well. what would a pathological narcissist do? I don't disagree with you that the Presidency of the United States has, of late, become a narcissist's game. It draws people like Trump like moths to a flame. That being said, I am having a hard time figuring out why so many people would basically defend the treasonous behavior of at least enough of the muslim community in the United States that it garnered the attention of even the slavishly Democrat / leftist / multiculturalist media. The real story here to me is that muslims inside the United States would cheer people being murdered in such a horrific way at the time it was happening. I don't give a flying fuck if it was 8 or 8,000-- that's a HUGE problem. How many people do those 8 (if it was only 8-- which, c'mon-- we know there were more) represent just in that community? And what about the other predominantly muslim communities like Dearborn, MI; and Minneapolis? And that was in 2001-- what about now, with this president in office? What's it going to be after 100,000 "refugees" have landed? The issue is not the number. Paris showed us what a very small number of radical islamists can do. Chattanooga, TN; Ft Hood, TX; and Oklahoma showed us what just ONE (1) could do. The issue is radical islam-- not how many cheered the murder of as many as 50,000 Americans (which is the number that was being bandied about early in the day as the attacks were ongoing)-- but that ANYONE would be of the mindset to cheer it on. We have to wake up and see radical islam for the dangerous (granted, not as dangerous as a few degrees increase in temperature over the next 100 years- but still dangerous) deadly threat that it is. We have to deal with the enemy when found on US soil harshly.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 2, 2015 15:02:12 GMT -5
8 people is a swarm? Since when? There were swarms of suspects, 8 actually arrested.
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Post by Opti on Dec 2, 2015 15:05:42 GMT -5
8 people is a swarm? Since when? Since Trump started actively searching for his Brian Williams moment?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 2, 2015 15:09:38 GMT -5
8 people is a swarm? Since when? It's not. That's not Breitbart's claim. They claim several articles describe "swarms" of people celebrating the attacks in NJ. One of the reports mentions eight people being arrested, which is where the number 8 comes from. The operative question therefore is what is the smallest number of people investigators would call a "swarm". If it was on rooftops, it definitely wouldn't be thousands, but as you've just pointed out, it would be far more than 8. Give it up, guys. You've lost this one. Nobody whose opinion of Mr. Trump is even slightly favourable is going to care about the difference between "swarms" and "thousands and thousands", even if it is a huge stretch. Time to move on to bigger and better things.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 15:17:27 GMT -5
8 people is a swarm? Since when? It's not. That's not Breitbart's claim. They claim several articles describe "swarms" of people celebrating the attacks in NJ. One of the reports mentions eight people being arrested, which is where the number 8 comes from. The operative question therefore is what is the smallest number of people investigators would call a "swarm". If it was on rooftops, it definitely wouldn't be thousands, but as you've just pointed out, it would be far more than 8. Give it up, guys. You've lost this one. Nobody whose opinion of Mr. Trump is even slightly favourable is going to care about the difference between "swarms" and "thousands and thousands", even if it is a huge stretch. Time to move on to bigger and better things. not really. the active question is what most people consider "thousands upon thousands". this so-called question is just a distraction.
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Post by billisonboard on Dec 2, 2015 15:19:01 GMT -5
... with this president in office? ... Hmmmm. Am wondering what difference this makes.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 2, 2015 15:27:29 GMT -5
It's not. That's not Breitbart's claim. They claim several articles describe "swarms" of people celebrating the attacks in NJ. One of the reports mentions eight people being arrested, which is where the number 8 comes from. The operative question therefore is what is the smallest number of people investigators would call a "swarm". If it was on rooftops, it definitely wouldn't be thousands, but as you've just pointed out, it would be far more than 8. Give it up, guys. You've lost this one. Nobody whose opinion of Mr. Trump is even slightly favourable is going to care about the difference between "swarms" and "thousands and thousands", even if it is a huge stretch. Time to move on to bigger and better things. not really. the active question is what most people consider "thousands upon thousands". this so-called question is just a distraction. Both "swarms" and "thousands of thousands" are the semantic equivalent of "a lot" in this case. In people's minds, the perceived issue is "Trump is suggesting that there are a lot of Muslims in the US that hate America. His opponents say that's not true. I wonder who's telling the truth: Trump or his opponents." When a story like this comes out, it's very clearly evidence for "a lot". As in, the average undecided-on-Trump voter is much more likely to conclude, "Gee, there do seem to be a lot of US Muslims that hate America, just like Trump said." His opponents can point out that "'swarms' isn't 'thousands and thousands'" until they're blue in the face. To the undecided, the distinction is irrelevant. Mr. Trump made his point, even if he had to exaggerate to do it. I realize this thinking isn't entirely rational, and I realize you really don't like it, but it's the proverbial last nail in the coffin. Trump's opponents have lost this battle. It's time to move on. The more they dote on it, the more they'll be detracting from their opportunities to sink him on some other issue.
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Post by mmhmm on Dec 2, 2015 15:32:26 GMT -5
Trump is the supreme narcissist. He's also larger than life in his presentation. Even the things he says are larger than life, in that they're rarely the unvarnished truth. Instead, they're exaggerated to make him appear even larger. I've been sorta reading this thread but have no interest in the subject, really. To me, it's expected behavior that doesn't deserve the attention it gets. That's just me, but ... ho hum, more Trump nonsense just doesn't grab me.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 16:40:05 GMT -5
not really. the active question is what most people consider "thousands upon thousands". this so-called question is just a distraction. Both "swarms" and "thousands of thousands" are the semantic equivalent of "a lot" in this case. In people's minds, the perceived issue is "Trump is suggesting that there are a lot of Muslims in the US that hate America. His opponents say that's not true. I wonder who's telling the truth: Trump or his opponents." When a story like this comes out, it's very clearly evidence for "a lot". As in, the average undecided-on-Trump voter is much more likely to conclude, "Gee, there do seem to be a lot of US Muslims that hate America, just like Trump said." His opponents can point out that "'swarms' isn't 'thousands and thousands'" until they're blue in the face. To the undecided, the distinction is irrelevant. Mr. Trump made his point, even if he had to exaggerate to do it. no, i don't think so. unless you think "thousands and thousands" of people can fit into a 5 story brownstone in NJ. but sure, if you want to establish that those two things are orders of magnitude different in size, be my guest. i am quite confident that they are. and i don't think we have any disagreement: he is a wild exaggerator, not an outright liar. that is how he plays the game. we got it. edit: personal remark deleted.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 16:41:28 GMT -5
Trump is the supreme narcissist. He's also larger than life in his presentation. Even the things he says are larger than life, in that they're rarely the unvarnished truth. Instead, they're exaggerated to make him appear even larger. I've been sorta reading this thread but have no interest in the subject, really. To me, it's expected behavior that doesn't deserve the attention it gets. That's just me, but ... ho hum, more Trump nonsense just doesn't grab me. everytime i hear him say something now, i will divide by 10 or 100, and that is probably close to accurate. i got it. his budget will run a small deficit? multiply by 10. the wall can be built for cheap? it will be the most expensive wall in history. he can end the war in Syria? we will be there for 100 years. i got it. thanks.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Dec 2, 2015 19:10:53 GMT -5
Both "swarms" and "thousands of thousands" are the semantic equivalent of "a lot" in this case. In people's minds, the perceived issue is "Trump is suggesting that there are a lot of Muslims in the US that hate America. His opponents say that's not true. I wonder who's telling the truth: Trump or his opponents." When a story like this comes out, it's very clearly evidence for "a lot". As in, the average undecided-on-Trump voter is much more likely to conclude, "Gee, there do seem to be a lot of US Muslims that hate America, just like Trump said." His opponents can point out that "'swarms' isn't 'thousands and thousands'" until they're blue in the face. To the undecided, the distinction is irrelevant. Mr. Trump made his point, even if he had to exaggerate to do it. no, i don't think so. unless you think "thousands and thousands" of people can fit into a 5 story brownstone in NJ. but sure, if you want to establish that those two things are orders of magnitude different in size, be my guest. i am quite confident that they are. and i don't think we have any disagreement: he is a wild exaggerator, not an outright liar. that is how he plays the game. we got it. edit: personal remark deleted. Maybe you get it. Whether his opponents get it remains to be seen. If they're smart, they'll drop the issue overnight. If not, this will be the Trumpian equivalent of the Benghazi inquiries.
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Post by dondub on Dec 2, 2015 19:23:55 GMT -5
There were swarms of suspects, 8 actually arrested. Plus the 5 dancing Israelis that were also arrested.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 19:46:12 GMT -5
There were swarms of suspects, 8 actually arrested. Plus the 5 dancing Israelis that were also arrested. there may have been swarms arrested, for all we know.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 2, 2015 19:52:23 GMT -5
At this point in time eight years ago who predicted Barack Obama would bury Hillary for the nomination? Crazy things have happened. Just sayin
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 22:26:22 GMT -5
At this point in time eight years ago who predicted Barack Obama would bury Hillary for the nomination? Crazy things have happened. Just sayin at this point in time 8 years ago, i was pretty sure that Obama was going to compete, and compete well. and no, i did NOT think he would win the nomination. but i DID think he would be "in it". i am now saying that i do NOT think Bush is in it. doubt me all you want. at your own risk, of course.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 2, 2015 22:45:04 GMT -5
At this point in time eight years ago who predicted Barack Obama would bury Hillary for the nomination? Crazy things have happened. Just sayin at this point in time 8 years ago, i was pretty sure that Obama was going to compete, and compete well. and no, i did NOT think he would win the nomination. but i DID think he would be "in it". i am now saying that i do NOT think Bush is in it. doubt me all you want. at your own risk, of course. I thought we were talking about Trump He is in it to compete well He could win the nomination And as a very long shot he could win against Hillary.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 2, 2015 22:50:43 GMT -5
at this point in time 8 years ago, i was pretty sure that Obama was going to compete, and compete well. and no, i did NOT think he would win the nomination. but i DID think he would be "in it". i am now saying that i do NOT think Bush is in it. doubt me all you want. at your own risk, of course. I thought we were talking about Trump He is in it to compete well He could win the nomination And as a very long shot he could win against Hillary. yes, he is quite competitive. i am not counting him out at all. i simply don't think he has the nomination "wrapped up". not yet.
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Post by marvholly on Dec 3, 2015 6:40:32 GMT -5
If Trump does win the nomination I am going to have to check out some options: Canada Panama Costa Rica
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 3, 2015 7:42:40 GMT -5
Canada housing is pricier than here. Not sure about housing costs in Panama. Costa Rico might work for you though. Lots of American retirees there.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Dec 3, 2015 9:04:08 GMT -5
I thought we were talking about Trump He is in it to compete well He could win the nomination And as a very long shot he could win against Hillary. yes, he is quite competitive. i am not counting him out at all. i simply don't think he has the nomination "wrapped up". not yet. Of course not. There are still between 65% and 75% of likely primary voters, depending on the poll, voting for someone else, or undecided. I think the wildcard is where the "splitter candidate" votes go. We know where the GOP elite want them to go- Bush or now I think they're amenable to Rubio- the question is as the splitters drop out-- where do their votes go?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2015 11:09:11 GMT -5
Canada housing is pricier than here. Not sure about housing costs in Panama. Costa Rico might work for you though. Lots of American retirees there. Canada is not pricier than HERE. Panama and Costa Rica are about the same, cost wise. might want to consider Ecuador, as well.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2015 11:10:02 GMT -5
yes, he is quite competitive. i am not counting him out at all. i simply don't think he has the nomination "wrapped up". not yet. Of course not. There are still between 65% and 75% of likely primary voters, depending on the poll, voting for someone else, or undecided. I think the wildcard is where the "splitter candidate" votes go. We know where the GOP elite want them to go- Bush or now I think they're amenable to Rubio- the question is as the splitters drop out-- where do their votes go? precisely right. with Carson plummeting, someone is going to pick up those votes. so far, it is not Trump.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 3, 2015 11:12:46 GMT -5
Canada housing is pricier than here. Not sure about housing costs in Panama. Costa Rico might work for you though. Lots of American retirees there. Canada is not pricier than HERE. Panama and Costa Rica are about the same, cost wise. might want to consider Ecuador, as well. I think you are right if you are talking California. Marv lives in Illinois. Canadian housing is rather expensive in the cities.
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Post by Opti on Dec 3, 2015 11:30:08 GMT -5
Depends where in Illinois. Parts of the Chicago suburbs are pretty pricey.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2015 11:32:55 GMT -5
Canada is not pricier than HERE. Panama and Costa Rica are about the same, cost wise. might want to consider Ecuador, as well. I think you are right if you are talking California. Marv lives in Illinois. Canadian housing is rather expensive in the cities. Vancouver is ridiculously expensive = about the same as here.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 3, 2015 11:35:19 GMT -5
Depends where in Illinois. Parts of the Chicago suburbs are pretty pricey. Very true. Have you priced housing in parts of Canada? My $250,000 house would push $600,000 there. Of course that is Canadian dollars. Two years ago they were par to the dollar, today $.75 to our dollar.
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2015 11:46:40 GMT -5
Depends where in Illinois. Parts of the Chicago suburbs are pretty pricey. Very true. Have you priced housing in parts of Canada? My $250,000 house would push $600,000 there. Of course that is Canadian dollars. Two years ago they were par to the dollar, today $.75 to our dollar. prices in Alberta average $338,000. x 0.75 = $253,500.
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Post by Value Buy on Dec 3, 2015 11:49:55 GMT -5
I think marvholly is a city type person. Try Quebec or Toronto.
Seems we can not agree on very much anymore. Can we agree Costa Rico is reasonably priced, as long as you are not directly on the coast?
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Post by djAdvocate on Dec 3, 2015 11:59:29 GMT -5
I think marvholly is a city type person. Try Quebec or Toronto. Seems we can not agree on very much anymore. Can we agree Costa Rico is reasonably priced, as long as you are not directly on the coast? does Marv live in the city, now? and: yes.
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