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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 18:45:09 GMT -5
Carson admitted he was wrong after he to added he saw the same TV coverage in NJ as Trump. Trump simply cannot admit he is ever wrong. and carson's campaign is now over, thereby proving my point since when? he is still in second, and a mile ahead of Rubio.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 24, 2015 18:53:58 GMT -5
Trumps newest claim is he saw people jumping from the World Trade Center from his apartment even though he lives four miles away in midtown Manhattan. No mention of binoculars to give his claim at least some credibility. Trump
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 18:53:53 GMT -5
Trumps lie is quite similar to Fiorinas. he saw footage, and CONFUSED IT with other footage.
if he was the kind of man who corrected himself, he would have already done so.
he is not that kind of man.
rather, he will spend his considerable fortune trying to produce footage that doesn't exist.
edit: that "steadfastness" wore thin on Fiorina voters. she is currently in 7th, after being in either second or third for a hot minute prior to her "i saw it" moment.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 18:55:29 GMT -5
Trumps newest claim is he saw people jumping from the World Trade Center from his apartment even though he lived four miles away in midtown Manhattan. No mention of binoculars to give his claim at least some credibility. Trumphe was also there to catch babies diving from windows. oh, and he beat up a terrorist on the scene.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 24, 2015 18:58:48 GMT -5
it is a very poor reading of history to think that torture had anything to do with finding Bin Laden. I think I'll take CIA Director Panetta's word over yours, TYVM. As I have also explained, I don't believe I was tortured. Extremely unpleasant, but I have a problem with describing it as torture. I will admit that I worry about "slippery slopes" and would like to keep it rare-- I believe we used it a total of three (3) times? I'd also like to STOP TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DO, every thing we will do, what we won't do-- SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is war, we don't have strategy sessions all day long on the internet. There are things that should go on way, way, way behind closed doors-- and I'd include waterboarding as something best left to Congress and the President out of the public view. As, btw, are the discussion of troops or no troops, or how many troops. SHUT UP! The best way to answer that question is: who knows what we may do? It's hard to say where our troops may or may not be spending Christmas. All options are of course on the table.
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Post by Tennesseer on Nov 24, 2015 19:01:35 GMT -5
Trumps newest claim is he saw people jumping from the World Trade Center from his apartment even though he lived four miles away in midtown Manhattan. No mention of binoculars to give his claim at least some credibility. Trumphe was also there to catch babies diving from windows. oh, and he beat up a terrorist on the scene. He was also chasing Flight 93 in Pennsylvania with his private jet armed wih tactical nuclear weapons while simultaneously pulling survivors out at the Pentagon.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 19:05:36 GMT -5
As I have also explained, I don't believe I was tortured. um....ok. thanks, i guess?Extremely unpleasant, but I have a problem with describing it as torture. over 100 people were KILLED during "enhanced interrogation" Paul. forgive me for saying so, but i don't give a fuck if you don't think that is torture. if it is sufficient to kill someone, it is torture. period. end of discussion. that 100 is from the DOD's own records, btw. i have posted the link at least a dozen times. your failure to register that is just lying at this point. why are you lying to cover up torture, Paul? I will admit that I worry about "slippery slopes" and would like to keep it rare-- I believe we used it a total of three (3) times? I'd also like to STOP TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DO, every thing we will do, what we won't do-- SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is war, we don't have strategy sessions all day long on the internet. There are things that should go on way, way, way behind closed doors-- and I'd include waterboarding as something best left to Congress and the President out of the public view. As, btw, are the discussion of troops or no troops, or how many troops. SHUT UP! The best way to answer that question is: who knows what we may do? It's hard to say where our troops may or may not be spending Christmas. All options are of course on the table. over 100 people were tortured TO DEATH in custody, Paul. i will start shutting up when you get (97) of those lives back. that would be....never. i will not even think about shutting up until i stop reading bullshit about us only torturing three people. three hundred is way to little. probably more like 3000.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 19:10:45 GMT -5
oh, and Trump is either hopelessly naiive, utterly stupid, or a lair for not knowing all that. very unpresidential.
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Post by dondub on Nov 24, 2015 19:10:59 GMT -5
three (3) times
HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps if you had been waterboarded 100 times you might have a different opinion. Especially if it was not done by 'friendlies' which devalues it's effectiveness.
According to U.S. Senator John McCain, "The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times... not only did the use of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed;
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 19:12:42 GMT -5
three (3) timesHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA! Perhaps if you had been waterboarded 100 times you might have a different opinion. Especially if it was not done by 'friendlies' which devalues it's effectiveness. According to U.S. Senator John McCain, "The trail to bin Laden did not begin with a disclosure from Khalid Sheikh Mohammed, who was waterboarded 183 times... not only did the use of 'enhanced interrogation techniques' on Khalid Sheikh Mohammed not provide us with key leads on bin Laden's courier, Abu Ahmed; yeah, because, you know....180 times wasn't enough. just had to go to (183).
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Post by Deleted on Nov 24, 2015 19:14:34 GMT -5
he was also there to catch babies diving from windows. oh, and he beat up a terrorist on the scene. He was also chasing Flight 93 in Pennsylvania with his private jet armed wih tactical nuclear weapons while simultaneously pulling survivors out at the Pentagon. It could be that he is suffering from "false memories"...
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 19:16:46 GMT -5
I think I'll take CIA Director Panetta's word over yours, TYVM. you can side with anyone you like, but Panetta didn't actually claim that torture was effective. nor did he claim it was moral. which was to his credit.
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Post by dondub on Nov 24, 2015 19:24:22 GMT -5
One fact about all this that I find quite fascinating, from Jane Mayer's The Looming Tower, is how many conservative in the military's judicial apparatus and in the Justice Dept. resigned their positions in protest of BushCo. turning us into a torture nation and shitting on the Geneva conventions. They knew/know that torture doesn't really work as a long term solution for solving the myriad problems these people represent.
Another interesting point was how eager the slavering dogs on the extreme right were to do even more of this heinous behavior, eschewing all their alleged Christian values somewhere along the way. Just listen to Hannity's little ditty about "boots in the ass it's the American way". If anyone needs to shut the fuck up it's reactionary jingoist droolers such as him. He supported the invasion of Iraq so plenty of blood is on his hands now and probably forever thanks to BushCo. destabilizing the entire region with his BS war.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 19:34:46 GMT -5
One fact about all this that I find quite fascinating, from Jane Mayer's The Looming Tower, is how many conservative in the military's judicial apparatus and in the Justice Dept. resigned their positions in protest of BushCo. turning us into a torture nation and shitting on the Geneva conventions. They knew/know that torture doesn't really work as a long term solution for solving the myriad problems these people represent. Another interesting point was how eager the slavering dogs on the extreme right were to do even more of this heinous behavior, eschewing all their alleged Christian values somewhere along the way. Just listen to Hannity's little ditty about "boots in the ass it's the American way". If anyone needs to shut the fuck up it's reactionary jingoist droolers such as him. He supported the invasion of Iraq so plenty of blood is on his hands now and probably forever thanks to BushCo. destabilizing the entire region with his BS war. there are two aspects of torture: practical and moral. it fails on both counts. that is why sensible nations outlaw it. that is why police forces are not allowed to do it. if it were EITHER effective OR moral to do so, you would see it everywhere. it is neither. Trump is really nuts to bring this up. nuts.
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Post by dondub on Nov 24, 2015 19:48:00 GMT -5
He is just pandering to his base, the Christian extremos that have sold out their Jesus for 30 pieces of silver.
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Post by mmhmm on Nov 24, 2015 19:58:42 GMT -5
Okay, folks. You can stop telling each other to shut the <expletive omitted> up. You can also leave God, Jesus, and Christians out of it. If you can't keep it civil, don't post. I know politics is contentious but you're all capable of debating without insulting. That's what's expected.
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Post by fishy999 on Nov 24, 2015 20:03:27 GMT -5
Doubling down again: "Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would,"Trump said. " And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work." "It works," Trump said. "Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing. It works." www.realclearpolitics.com/video/2015/11/24/trump_you_bet_your_ass_id_approve_waterboarding_if_it_doesnt_work_they_deserve_it_anyway.htmlSo in addition to wanting to be president he has aspirations on being a war criminal. I guess when Fascism comes to America, it will not be wrapped in a flag and carrying a cross- it will be via a megalomaniac impervious to truth.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 22:05:55 GMT -5
Doubling down again: "Would I approve waterboarding? You bet your ass I would,"Trump said. " And I would approve more than that. Don't kid yourself, folks. It works, okay? It works. Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work." then count me as stupid. it doesn't work. and is a violation of several treaties, the GC, the MCC and our own constitution. i would love to debate his sassy ass on this subject. it would be tremendous fun.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 22:09:41 GMT -5
"It works," Trump said. "Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing. what if they did nothing? you, sir, need to watch Taxi To The Dark Side. until then, shut the fuck up.
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Post by Value Buy on Nov 24, 2015 22:12:33 GMT -5
"It works," Trump said. "Only a stupid person would say it doesn't work. Believe me, it works. And you know what? If it doesn't work, they deserve it anyway, for what they're doing. what if they did nothing? you, sir, need to watch Taxi To The Dark Side. until then, shut the fuck up. Do you really WANT him to shut up? I would hope not. That is the only chance the Republicans have to make sure he does not win the nomination.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 22:18:22 GMT -5
how about this one? anyone follow this? www.nbcnews.com/id/10618427/ns/us_news-security/t/cia-watchdog-looks-erroneous-renditions/#.VlUnsr9ywysif the CIA ADMITS to ERRONEOUSLY torturing TEN people: 1) how many ERRORS are they not admitting to? 2) do you think this is even 1% of the torture program? NOTE: this program is extra-military. it doesn't count US prisons in Afghanistan, Iraq, and Guantanimo. given that 80,000 people had been held in the war as of 2005, is it really that hard to imagine that 5% were tortured? 10%?
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 24, 2015 22:20:21 GMT -5
what if they did nothing? you, sir, need to watch Taxi To The Dark Side. until then, shut the fuck up. Do you really WANT him to shut up? I would hope not. That is the only chance the Republicans have to make sure he does not win the nomination. i am just using his manner of speaking. you know....for..."fun?"
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 25, 2015 12:40:36 GMT -5
As I have also explained, I don't believe I was tortured. um....ok. thanks, i guess?Extremely unpleasant, but I have a problem with describing it as torture. over 100 people were KILLED during "enhanced interrogation" Paul. forgive me for saying so, but i don't give a fuck if you don't think that is torture. if it is sufficient to kill someone, it is torture. period. end of discussion. that 100 is from the DOD's own records, btw. i have posted the link at least a dozen times. your failure to register that is just lying at this point. why are you lying to cover up torture, Paul? I will admit that I worry about "slippery slopes" and would like to keep it rare-- I believe we used it a total of three (3) times? I'd also like to STOP TALKING ABOUT EVERYTHING WE DO, every thing we will do, what we won't do-- SHUT THE FUCK UP. This is war, we don't have strategy sessions all day long on the internet. There are things that should go on way, way, way behind closed doors-- and I'd include waterboarding as something best left to Congress and the President out of the public view. As, btw, are the discussion of troops or no troops, or how many troops. SHUT UP! The best way to answer that question is: who knows what we may do? It's hard to say where our troops may or may not be spending Christmas. All options are of course on the table. over 100 people were tortured TO DEATH in custody, Paul. i will start shutting up when you get (97) of those lives back. that would be....never. i will not even think about shutting up until i stop reading bullshit about us only torturing three people. three hundred is way to little. probably more like 3000. You frequently make claims without linking to any sources for them. How about you do that before I respond to this?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Nov 25, 2015 12:46:09 GMT -5
Do you really WANT him to shut up? I would hope not. That is the only chance the Republicans have to make sure he does not win the nomination. i am just using his manner of speaking. you know....for..."fun?" theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/19/gop-establishment-super-pac-new-day-for-america-ndfa-declares-war-on-donald-trump/My prediction- this will backfire. I've yet to mount a single compelling argument against Trump to a Trump supporter. Some of this is political cheap-shots, but all is fair in politics, right? My concern about Trump is his liberal political stands in the past. I don't know whether to chalk it up to a Manhattan real estate developer just playing the game all these years who has now come out of the closet as conservative, or whether this whole thing is just a big joke on all of us-- but I'm personally not willing to roll the dice. As I've said, however, I will be supporting Trump in the GE-- and it looks like that's where he's headed-- because I believe him on immigration, and I know him to be a "gets shit done" kind of person.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 25, 2015 16:16:01 GMT -5
over 100 people were tortured TO DEATH in custody, Paul. i will start shutting up when you get (97) of those lives back. that would be....never. i will not even think about shutting up until i stop reading bullshit about us only torturing three people. three hundred is way to little. probably more like 3000. You frequently make claims without linking to any sources for them. How about you do that before I respond to this? i frequently make claims without backing it up because everyone here knows that either i can back it up, or (in rare instances where i remembered it wrong, or got it wrong in the first place) i retract it, and apologize. that is how i roll. this is not one of those cases. i have posted about this at least a dozen times, and you just ignored it, Paul. i bring it up every time someone makes the claim you just did, or something similar. i am not going for lucky 13. but i will tell you what. how about i give you ONE very detailed account of an innocent man that died during interrogation, and if you can stomach that, we will go from there. i will start a thread, and give you one at a time, until you have had your fill. on one condition: you stop claiming that we have only tortured three people, and that you stop pretending that this is about waterboarding (which is rarely fatal). my sense of compassion obliges me to help you out of your ignorance- but i want to make a fisher of men, not give you a fish. i want you to imagine that the bullshit you have learned is wrong. you have done it before, you can do it again.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 25, 2015 16:17:30 GMT -5
i am just using his manner of speaking. you know....for..."fun?" theconservativetreehouse.com/2015/11/19/gop-establishment-super-pac-new-day-for-america-ndfa-declares-war-on-donald-trump/My prediction- this will backfire. I've yet to mount a single compelling argument against Trump to a Trump supporter. Some of this is political cheap-shots, but all is fair in politics, right? My concern about Trump is his liberal political stands in the past. I don't know whether to chalk it up to a Manhattan real estate developer just playing the game all these years who has now come out of the closet as conservative, or whether this whole thing is just a big joke on all of us-- but I'm personally not willing to roll the dice. As I've said, however, I will be supporting Trump in the GE-- and it looks like that's where he's headed-- because I believe him on immigration, and I know him to be a "gets shit done" kind of person. i have no opinion either way. but i already don't like him as a candidate, so i don't count.
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Post by dondub on Nov 25, 2015 17:42:16 GMT -5
Good luck with that, DJ.
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Post by djAdvocate on Nov 25, 2015 17:49:09 GMT -5
i am so tired of making the same points over and over and over again, bro. i wish i got paid a buck for every time it happened. edit: and.....yeah- i don't post the same information all 12 times. i post all of the information once, part of it a second time, and then just a summary from then on. everyone who was interested read it the first time. those who want to operate under their set of bizarre illusions ignore it every time. here is where we find ourselves.
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Post by dondub on Nov 25, 2015 18:01:59 GMT -5
The 'tricks' of certain posters are to never remember the already posted proof and then requesting it again and again as if you are lying. Some of these same posters regularly lie and then ignore links that prove them as such. Perhaps that's why Trump and Carson are leading twe pack in the latest examination of truthfulness vs. not with the highest percentage of lies ever in campaign statements. In the meantime, Bernie and Hillary show with the least.
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