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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 14, 2015 23:38:35 GMT -5
I just finished watching a movie.."Survivor " , A terrorist type...NY city ...New years Eve with one million party folks ..destruy all..type..Give the movie a C plus / B minus ..but the thread isn't about the flick..
At the end of the movie a blurb came on..you know how they do that to explain or give information..and this one got me thinking..
Blurb was along the lines of..paraphrasing by the way...
"Since 9/11..counter terrorism agencys have stopped 53 terrorist acts just in NY city alone.."
Now I don't know if those acts were ones like blowing up a ice cream truck or a biggie like in Boston..the act of one or two or a organized full blown terrorist organization along the lines of ISIS, Hezballah , Hamas or what ever...
but what got me thinking is..if this is true , and I am sure it is or it wouldn't been on that blurb at the end of the picture..I have no problem keeping on all the controls that we have had in the old patriot act...and if it means I am giving up some freedoms to have these protecting agencies try to ferrit out the bad guys..and some of my rights are now being tampered with...for me, tamper away..protect my country..protect my children..Now that's me...how I feel...I was wondering how some of you all feel about that..
{ You can see how hard it was to come up with a title for this thread and I put it here instead of EE because it is a current event IMHO ..something that is happening every day..Just read that Iraq had over 30,000 deaths last year from terrorist acts, bombings...that is not counting the injured and wounded...could it happen here ..?? }
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Post by Deleted on Jul 15, 2015 15:39:18 GMT -5
I just finished watching a movie.."Survivor " , A terrorist type...NY city ...New years Eve with one million party folks ..destruy all..type..Give the movie a C plus / B minus ..but the thread isn't about the flick.. At the end of the movie a blurb came on..you know how they do that to explain or give information..and this one got me thinking.. Blurb was along the lines of..paraphrasing by the way... "Since 9/11..counter terrorism agencys have stopped 53 terrorist acts just in NY city alone.." Now I don't know if those acts were ones like blowing up a ice cream truck or a biggie like in Boston..the act of one or two or a organized full blown terrorist organization along the lines of ISIS, Hezballah , Hamas or what ever... but what got me thinking is..if this is true , and I am sure it is or it wouldn't been on that blurb at the end of the picture..I have no problem keeping on all the controls that we have had in the old patriot act...and if it means I am giving up some freedoms to have these protecting agencies try to ferrit out the bad guys..and some of my rights are now being tampered with...for me, tamper away..protect my country..protect my children..Now that's me...how I feel...I was wondering how some of you all feel about that.. { You can see how hard it was to come up with a title for this thread and I put it here instead of EE because it is a current event IMHO ..something that is happening every day..Just read that Iraq had over 30,000 deaths last year from terrorist acts, bombings...that is not counting the injured and wounded...could it happen here ..?? } They certainly include situations where the FBI got some guy who was a total dumbshit and talked him into buying some fake dynamite from them to blow up something then arresting him for conspiring to do what they talked him into doing. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 15, 2015 20:48:45 GMT -5
I just finished watching a movie.."Survivor " , A terrorist type...NY city ...New years Eve with one million party folks ..destruy all..type..Give the movie a C plus / B minus ..but the thread isn't about the flick.. At the end of the movie a blurb came on..you know how they do that to explain or give information..and this one got me thinking.. Blurb was along the lines of..paraphrasing by the way... "Since 9/11..counter terrorism agencys have stopped 53 terrorist acts just in NY city alone.." Now I don't know if those acts were ones like blowing up a ice cream truck or a biggie like in Boston..the act of one or two or a organized full blown terrorist organization along the lines of ISIS, Hezballah , Hamas or what ever... but what got me thinking is..if this is true , and I am sure it is or it wouldn't been on that blurb at the end of the picture..I have no problem keeping on all the controls that we have had in the old patriot act...and if it means I am giving up some freedoms to have these protecting agencies try to ferrit out the bad guys..and some of my rights are now being tampered with...for me, tamper away..protect my country..protect my children..Now that's me...how I feel...I was wondering how some of you all feel about that.. { You can see how hard it was to come up with a title for this thread and I put it here instead of EE because it is a current event IMHO ..something that is happening every day..Just read that Iraq had over 30,000 deaths last year from terrorist acts, bombings...that is not counting the injured and wounded...could it happen here ..?? } They certainly include situations where the FBI got some guy who was a total dumbshit and talked him into buying some fake dynamite from them to blow up something then arresting him for conspiring to do what they talked him into doing. If you believe that all of the 53 incidents were along that line..if so at all...then so be it...Actually if you believe that is what it is all about , these 53 incidents..I feel sorry for you... |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 16, 2015 15:32:23 GMT -5
They certainly include situations where the FBI got some guy who was a total dumbshit and talked him into buying some fake dynamite from them to blow up something then arresting him for conspiring to do what they talked him into doing. If you believe that all of the 53 incidents were along that line..if so at all...then so be it...Actually if you believe that is what it is all about , these 53 incidents..I feel sorry for you... If you believe the government doesn't hype up terrorism to gain power and take away freedom, I think you are very wrong. Feel sorry for me all you want. I think freedom and liberty is important. The average American is more at risk from being fat then from a terrorist. He is probably more at risk from a bicycle or bathtub or poison ivy or 10 billion other things then from terrorism. |
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Post by deziloooooo on Jul 16, 2015 17:31:44 GMT -5
If you believe that all of the 53 incidents were along that line..if so at all...then so be it...Actually if you believe that is what it is all about , these 53 incidents..I feel sorry for you... If you believe the government doesn't hype up terrorism to gain power and take away freedom, I think you are very wrong. Feel sorry for me all you want. I think freedom and liberty is important. The average American is more at risk from being fat then from a terrorist. He is probably more at risk from a bicycle or bathtub or poison ivy or 10 billion other things then from terrorism. Tell that to the ones who flung them selves out of the windows to escape the flames on 9/11 or those lying torn apart from the bomb in Boston or the service men and woman who were shot on post by a fellow officer or those who escaped the bomb that was discovered in times square before it was detonated or........get the picture.... I am sure that you would have a different slant on this topic if any of your loved ones were among those victims or if in the future if caught in another such attack..In fact if that unfortunate event happened I also bet you would be among the loudest yelling for more protection and condeming the inadequate burocrates who allowed such a thing to happen... I have other things to do with my life then to hype up all these governmental conspiracy events so many seem to thrive on...but as said..if that's your thing...go to it..enjoy....The fact is, just pick up your papaer or click on favorite news source and daily terrrrorist events through out the world..not just inn out of the way places but countries as well to do, sophisticated as ours..Israel, Britain , France, Germany..as well as those we have been hardened on due to the numbers..30,000 deaths, civiliens in Iraq just this year..plus the wounded...Your guaranteeing me that would never happen here yet it already has..If to have a shot to stop such things some ones have to read my e mail or listen over the airways for some specific word spoken to trigger more scruteny and I get caught up in that...no problem here..This is a better world then the past but also scarier too...to not admit so is foolish.. |
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Post by mroped on Jul 16, 2015 17:42:38 GMT -5
I heard something about FBI entrapping and such in a few instances. If there were 53 foiled "attacks" in NYC maybe they slipped 1-2 in there where they sold the fake dynamite to a not so bright fellow. Homeland Security and all other agencies are keeping an eye on certain individuals or groups and that's how they manage. We, in the U.S. are so up in arms about our individual rights that often forget about the rights of the other individuals. Bitching and complaining about being searched at airports or a traffic stop where the cop asks to see the trunk are things that we do but we fail to understand that these people-police or LEO of any kind- have to worry about everybody's safety. Quickly we judge them as "profiling" on a number of reasons. In most European countries you can be stopped and asked to produce an ID or sometimes even patted down by the LEO in the middle of the street for what it seems no apparent reason. LEOs don't abuse that power and people feel safer. But try that here!  The only right that you are giving up in a case as this is your right to privacy while out in the public and I have no problem with that. I would even agree with them entering my house as long as they give me a reason for and upon leaving they don't leave my place upside down. If I have nothing to hide than what would be my loss in doing that? But if you ask if you can enter my place without a warrant claiming to look for a possible fugitive and then you try confiscating my guns because you see them then we do have a problem. My point is that concessions can be made as long as the law spells out the conditions and the rules for both parties not just the individual but LEOs side to. |
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Post by Deleted on Jul 17, 2015 14:49:14 GMT -5
It is a safer world then ever, with less risk of violence.
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