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Post by midjd on Jul 7, 2015 6:06:49 GMT -5
Stricter controls on fireworks? I guess the warnings could specifically read "do not launch explosive from any part of your body, you f***ing idiot," but I think they are pretty thorough already. ETA -- I guess that was harsh, the family is grieving. I just hate it when a death/tragedy is immediately jumped on to make a political statement or call for changes to the law.
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Post by justme on Jul 7, 2015 7:18:53 GMT -5
Even if you thought it was a dud you should keep a lighter the hell away from it. Duds would still have gun powder or whatever is used in fireworks.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 7, 2015 7:38:30 GMT -5
And just how would "they" enforce any controls on who can set them off? Are "they" going to provide an enforcer with every fireworks purchase? Once the fireworks get to the party full of drunk humans, all the regulations in the world will not prevent one of the drunk humans from doing something stupid. Doing something stupid is pretty much SOP for drunk humans. Some humans don't even have to be drunk.
Because training always prevents stupid drunk humans from doing stupid things with cars and guns when they're drunk.
The poor woman is heartbroken and grieving and looking for someone to blame for her son's pointless death other than his stupid, drunk self. She might be able to do some good by using her experience as an example of the devastation stupid drunk humans wreak on the people they love when they're drunk and do something stupid, but she'd have to admit the only one at fault was her son.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 7, 2015 7:43:43 GMT -5
The poor woman is heartbroken and grieving and looking for someone to blame for her son's pointless death other than his stupid, drunk self. She might be able to do some good by using her experience as an example of the devastation stupid drunk humans wreak on the people they love when they're drunk and do something stupid, but she'd have to admit the only one at fault was her son. Basically all this in a nutshell! She is grieving and refusing to accept that we son is responsible for his own death and looking for someone else to blame.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 7, 2015 8:03:30 GMT -5
I think we need stricter controls on breeding.
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Post by violagirl on Jul 7, 2015 8:14:58 GMT -5
Do we watch too much TV these days that we have no concept of mortality?
I was checking out the Yellowstone National Park facebook page and they were posting more warnings for people to stay away from the bison as there have been several incidents lately. I'm no genius but I'm not getting anywhere close to a wild animal that big. But according to people posting on the site, acts of extreme stupidity are carried on daily there - like letting children pet an elk or get close to a buffalo.
Then there was the ice cave collapse in Washington (I think). Rangers had warned people it was dangerous because of the high temperatures lately. So what do they do? Go and explore an ice cave in a July heat wave.
It seems all of the warning signs and fences and regulations just will never be enough.
When my brother and I were kids we were playing at our friends farm and found a gun. I have no idea what kind of gun it was, but when my brother pointed it at me (as brothers do) I had the common sense even as a small child to tell him NOT to point it at me. Which was a good thing because it did go off and we got out of there really fast. Even if it had of been a BB gun - a close range shot to the face would not have been fun. I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones with an instinct for self preservation. It seems to have been bred out of humans or something.
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Post by mmhmm on Jul 7, 2015 8:21:30 GMT -5
You can't cure stupid. You can bemoan it, laugh at it, cry over it, and deny it; however, you cannot cure it.
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Post by milee on Jul 7, 2015 8:22:17 GMT -5
It seems all of the warning signs and fences and regulations just will never be enough. When my brother and I were kids we were playing at our friends farm and found a gun. I have no idea what kind of gun it was, but when my brother pointed it at me (as brothers do) I had the common sense even as a small child to tell him NOT to point it at me. Which was a good thing because it did go off and we got out of there really fast. Even if it had of been a BB gun - a close range shot to the face would not have been fun. I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones with an instinct for self preservation. It seems to have been bred out of humans or something. One of my sister's boyfriends was a not only dumb as a box of rocks, but also a product of the new American mindset that it's someone else's responsibility to take care of him. We were hiking at the Grand Canyon - remember, folks, it's a massive mile deep hole in the ground - and he kept jumping out to the very edge of the trail which was a cliff. My sister noticed all the slippery small rocks and the rocks breaking off and falling away so cautioned him to stay back from the edge. He turned around with a look of utter disdain and told her "if it was dangerous, they'd put a fence around it."
I wish I was joking.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 7, 2015 8:30:30 GMT -5
Do we watch too much TV these days that we have no concept of mortality? I was checking out the Yellowstone National Park facebook page and they were posting more warnings for people to stay away from the bison as there have been several incidents lately. I'm no genius but I'm not getting anywhere close to a wild animal that big. But according to people posting on the site, acts of extreme stupidity are carried on daily there - like letting children pet an elk or get close to a buffalo. Then there was the ice cave collapse in Washington (I think). Rangers had warned people it was dangerous because of the high temperatures lately. So what do they do? Go and explore an ice cave in a July heat wave. It seems all of the warning signs and fences and regulations just will never be enough. When my brother and I were kids we were playing at our friends farm and found a gun. I have no idea what kind of gun it was, but when my brother pointed it at me (as brothers do) I had the common sense even as a small child to tell him NOT to point it at me. Which was a good thing because it did go off and we got out of there really fast. Even if it had of been a BB gun - a close range shot to the face would not have been fun. I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones with an instinct for self preservation. It seems to have been bred out of humans or something. Maybe people have become so accustomed to theme parks and video games that they don't realize that the animals in national parks are not tame or animatronic or CGI. Or maybe they're the generation who have grown up in a world where they had someone hovering over them at all times making everything as safe as possible have no concept of what real nature is like with easily annoyed real wild animals with bad tempers and sharp hooves and big pointy teeth.
Or maybe they're just stupid.
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Post by Shooby on Jul 7, 2015 8:30:52 GMT -5
It sounds like he put it up on his head as joke to pretend and then his brother "accidently" lit the fuse. But, I do have a problem with the "Darwin awards" thing where we laugh at people who die in supposedly stupid ways. I mean, every human being does stupid crap. But, I don't think it is funny when someone dies, nor is that the sum total of who they were as a person.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 7, 2015 8:32:36 GMT -5
He turned around with a look of utter disdain and told her "if it was dangerous, they'd put a fence around it :eek: :eek: :eek: :eek:
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 7, 2015 8:48:06 GMT -5
It sounds like he put it up on his head as joke to pretend and then his brother "accidently" lit the fuse. But, I do have a problem with the "Darwin awards" thing where we laugh at people who die in supposedly stupid ways. I mean, every human being does stupid crap. But, I don't think it is funny when someone dies, nor is that the sum total of who they were as a person. I don't think people are laughing at someone's death. In fact, sounds like people here are sad... sad that it has become so commonplace to treat life like it's Grand Theft Auto: go ahead, set yourself on fire, set off fireworks on your head - whatever! You'll just lose a life and then re-spawn back at the save point! Should you really need to be told not to do these things? And I'm sorry if this is callous but people who think nothing of doing these needlessly dangerous things should not be passing their genes on. Idiocracy is now reality - I'm telling you!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 8:48:37 GMT -5
Do we watch too much TV these days that we have no concept of mortality? I was checking out the Yellowstone National Park facebook page and they were posting more warnings for people to stay away from the bison as there have been several incidents lately. I'm no genius but I'm not getting anywhere close to a wild animal that big. But according to people posting on the site, acts of extreme stupidity are carried on daily there - like letting children pet an elk or get close to a buffalo. Then there was the ice cave collapse in Washington (I think). Rangers had warned people it was dangerous because of the high temperatures lately. So what do they do? Go and explore an ice cave in a July heat wave. It seems all of the warning signs and fences and regulations just will never be enough. When my brother and I were kids we were playing at our friends farm and found a gun. I have no idea what kind of gun it was, but when my brother pointed it at me (as brothers do) I had the common sense even as a small child to tell him NOT to point it at me. Which was a good thing because it did go off and we got out of there really fast. Even if it had of been a BB gun - a close range shot to the face would not have been fun. I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones with an instinct for self preservation. It seems to have been bred out of humans or something. Maybe people have become so accustomed to theme parks and video games that they don't realize that the animals in national parks are not tame or animatronic or CGI. Or maybe they're the generation who have grown up in a world where they had someone hovering over them at all times making everything as safe as possible have no concept of what real nature is like with easily annoyed real wild animals with bad tempers and sharp hooves and big pointy teeth.
Or maybe they're just stupid.
A lot of people know absolutely zero about animals and what they're capable of beyond dogs and cats. I see that with just having "town folk" coming out to visit on the farm. At Yellowstone, the bison sometimes seem more tame and people-friendly than domestic cattle, so I can see where people might get lulled into feeling that they are as safe as old Bessie from the petting zoo. They're wandering around the crowds by Old Faithful Inn acting oblivious to all the people and craziness. Of course, there's also a million warnings all over the park about staying away from them.
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 7, 2015 8:57:34 GMT -5
It sounds like he put it up on his head as joke to pretend and then his brother "accidently" lit the fuse. But, I do have a problem with the "Darwin awards" thing where we laugh at people who die in supposedly stupid ways. I mean, every human being does stupid crap. But, I don't think it is funny when someone dies, nor is that the sum total of who they were as a person. I don't think people are laughing at someone's death. In fact, sounds like people here are sad... sad that it has become so commonplace to treat life like it's Grand Theft Auto: go ahead, set yourself on fire, set off fireworks on your head - whatever! You'll just lose a life and then re-spawn back at the save point! Should you really need to be told not to do these things? And I'm sorry if this is callous but people who think nothing of doing these needlessly dangerous things should not be passing their genes on. Idiocracy is now reality - I'm telling you! It is Obama's fault I tell Ya!
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Post by justme on Jul 7, 2015 8:58:23 GMT -5
I wonder what the instructions of the fireworks read. I know in fireworks my cousin has gotten (they had to drive across state lines to get them lol) part of it said light and run like hell. Might not have said hell but the sentiment was to get far away from it fast. Cuz, ya know, explosion.
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 7, 2015 8:59:47 GMT -5
Sad. He was actually cute.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jul 7, 2015 9:03:01 GMT -5
why are the pretty ones always so stupid?
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Post by TheHaitian on Jul 7, 2015 9:03:43 GMT -5
why are the pretty ones always so stupid? Because they never actually had to study to pass a class.
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Post by dannylion on Jul 7, 2015 9:04:04 GMT -5
If people didn't want other people to take notice of their stupidity and remark upon it, they wouldn't behave the way they do. They invite ridicule; it would be rude to withhold it.
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Post by tallguy on Jul 7, 2015 9:17:04 GMT -5
It's not callous. I think it should almost be celebrated when people like this remove themselves from the breeding pool. Give them an award or something. What could we name it though...? Hmmm....
Of the family picture, wouldn't he have been the least likely suspect to do something like this?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 7, 2015 9:39:44 GMT -5
Most fireworks are illegal in MN too, but they're really easy to get (heck Walmart has an entire aisle of them) and jump across the bridge to WI and you can buy anything. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for shooting them off unless they were doing huge mortars at 3am 2 weeks after the 4th, so I don't see how regulating would help either. Everyone knows they're dangerous, they just don't think they'll be the ones to get hurt. My kids and I blew $20 on a small amount of wussy fireworks last week and even with being super careful we had an injury. One of those spinny ones went crazy and instead of going up went straight. I lit it a good 60 feet from the house, but it flew into the garage and hit older son in the hand. We also had one of the parachute ones malfunction and the lit ball landed on our roof. Younger son is now officially terrified of fireworks, when we went to the regular 4th of July display he stayed in the van for the entire thing so nothing would hit him. I'm such a great Mom.
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Post by The Walk of the Penguin Mich on Jul 7, 2015 10:12:57 GMT -5
You have stupid people everywhere, and you can't legislate out stupidity.
Locally, an ice cave collapsed. WA has had warmer than normal temps, there are HUGE chunks falling, signs all over not to enter the caves and a freaking memorial where a kid got killed with a falling ice chunk. Hell, there was a video clip showing chunks of ice the size of cars falling on the news! People still entered the cave, one killed and several injured.
Do they need an armed guard to keep people from doing stupid things?
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Post by midjd on Jul 7, 2015 10:21:30 GMT -5
I do think this attitude is pretty common. There is a state park in my hometown with some steep cliffs. When I was a kid, there wasn't much fencing, and although you weren't supposed to climb to the top of the 50' waterfall or walk through the creek above it, you could access both pretty easily. Every summer, a hiker or two would fall while doing this and get seriously hurt (one of my HS classmates was killed when she slipped in the creek and went over the edge of the waterfall).
Now, there is a TON of fencing surrounding the entire creek and base of the waterfall (looks awful) and every summer there is still at least one hiker who ends up being airlifted out of there with a broken leg. There's no helping some people.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 7, 2015 10:24:59 GMT -5
You can't cure stupid. You can bemoan it, laugh at it, cry over it, and deny it; however, you cannot cure it. Sure you can. It cures itself, even. You just have to loosen up your standards on how alive the patient is once cured.
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Post by justme on Jul 7, 2015 10:33:12 GMT -5
Most fireworks are illegal in MN too, but they're really easy to get (heck Walmart has an entire aisle of them) and jump across the bridge to WI and you can buy anything. I've never heard of anyone getting in trouble for shooting them off unless they were doing huge mortars at 3am 2 weeks after the 4th, so I don't see how regulating would help either. Everyone knows they're dangerous, they just don't think they'll be the ones to get hurt. My kids and I blew $20 on a small amount of wussy fireworks last week and even with being super careful we had an injury. One of those spinny ones went crazy and instead of going up went straight. I lit it a good 60 feet from the house, but it flew into the garage and hit older son in the hand. We also had one of the parachute ones malfunction and the lit ball landed on our roof. Younger son is now officially terrified of fireworks, when we went to the regular 4th of July display he stayed in the van for the entire thing so nothing would hit him. I'm such a great Mom. Ha! This reminded me of when the "adults" (I was 20something but the kid) were lighting fireworks to go over the water and one fell sort of facing the wood cottage built in 1930. It was funny watching them try to push it the other way. I think only their ego got hurt. Oh! My cousins friend got part of his eyebrow burnt off from fireworks one time. Sad I missed that idiocy.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 7, 2015 10:33:57 GMT -5
Do we watch too much TV these days that we have no concept of mortality?
I was checking out the Yellowstone National Park facebook page and they were posting more warnings for people to stay away from the bison as there have been several incidents lately. I'm no genius but I'm not getting anywhere close to a wild animal that big. But according to people posting on the site, acts of extreme stupidity are carried on daily there - like letting children pet an elk or get close to a buffalo. Then there was the ice cave collapse in Washington (I think). Rangers had warned people it was dangerous because of the high temperatures lately. So what do they do? Go and explore an ice cave in a July heat wave. It seems all of the warning signs and fences and regulations just will never be enough. When my brother and I were kids we were playing at our friends farm and found a gun. I have no idea what kind of gun it was, but when my brother pointed it at me (as brothers do) I had the common sense even as a small child to tell him NOT to point it at me. Which was a good thing because it did go off and we got out of there really fast. Even if it had of been a BB gun - a close range shot to the face would not have been fun. I guess I'm one of the fortunate ones with an instinct for self preservation. It seems to have been bred out of humans or something. I think it's a combination of TV view AND the fact that most kids don't get to do anything vaguely 'risky' and they seem to be forever cocooned in "safety" - I'm not suggesting that we put kids in danger or encourage them to do stupid stuff - but maybe just let them actually get some life skills/experiences and have them actually deal with the outcome. Otherwise how do you know your limitations? I think it's experience that helps a person develope the instinct for self preservation. The guy who died from the fireworks - reminds me of the 20 something at a downtown hotel party who had too much to drink and thought it would be 'cool' or 'fun' to slide down the banister of the elegant two story lobby staircase. It didn't go well... she fell off the banister, hit the floor, and died. I'm not sure what part of her past experience said that sliding down such a banister was even POSSIBLE... it's not that hard to figure out as a kid that sliding down short banisters isn't as easy or fun as TV makes it look... and then there's that fall on the outside of it. I'm also not sure what part of the guy with the fireworks thought that any firework was 'safe' to hold on to.... even sparklers can cause a nasty burn.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on Jul 7, 2015 10:49:50 GMT -5
The article notes that fireworks were banned in 1949 and the ban was only repealed a few years ago.
I just... putting a loaded mortar tube on the top of your head...
All the laws in the world wouldn't have saved this fellow.
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Post by Tiny on Jul 7, 2015 10:56:56 GMT -5
I do find it vaguely entertaining that the fireworks were the problem... and not the alcohol consumption. I guess it's because alcohol consumption has nothing to do with any of the accidents/deaths that occurr when it's being consumed?
Maybe we should create home and community 'safe rooms' specifically for alcohol consumption and the hours of recovery after intoxication? It would probably cut down on the deaths...
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Post by zibazinski on Jul 7, 2015 11:15:26 GMT -5
Makes you wonder if they posted signs saying you were going to be held financially responsible for any rescue attempts on your behalf and if you're unable to pay, your butt will be in serious trouble if it'd stop anybody?
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