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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 14, 2015 20:23:49 GMT -5
"Underage" was under 21. He was in college so over 18 He is in FL. Not likely to head to Canada. Huh? I'm not following. People in Florida don't travel anywhere?
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Post by chiver78 on Jun 14, 2015 20:28:31 GMT -5
I struck up a conversation in court while waiting when I went in to challenge a speeding ticket awhile back, expecting a story like my own, only to find out the guy was there for a DUI charge. I was floored to realize how many others were there to face DUI charges too. the unemployment rate isn't that high.....I can't imagine these folks are automatically unemployable. If you already have a job, they don't get to fire you for getting a DUI; although some places I worked did have a provision in the hiring documents that if you were convicted of a criminal offense you would be discharged. I'm just saying that at the preferred, large employers I have worked at, they screen out any applicant with convictions as "not hireable". Does not matter if it is for being a pedophile, drunk, drug user, thief or domestic violence. You are not getting hired if there is anything on your record. interesting. I have zero point of reference with this, I've been with the same employer since graduating college and I have to pass a CORI check every other year in order to remain a Wish Granter with Make-a-Wish. the latter kind of makes this a non-issue for me, and I live my life accordingly. this post is pretty eye-opening to me, though. wow.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 20:35:29 GMT -5
my daughter's best friend was fired for getting a DUI. Her work required her to travel to Canada and also she needed rental cars pretty often because of work.
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Post by zibazinski on Jun 14, 2015 21:03:31 GMT -5
I don't think I've ever worked for anyone who didn't check and recheck on a regular basis the credit and criminal records of their employees. Of course I've only worked for a bank and two school systems. Maybe small companies don't check as thoroughly.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2015 21:21:49 GMT -5
I have never had an employer pull a credit check. I do not work in finance areas & expect them to be different. I had control of up to $125M in annual spend, but there were controls and quarterly audits. I think every employer in the last 10 years has done a background check + verified degrees and certifications. Here they have to notify you that they are doing background check and you can opt to receive a copy. How would you know if they had or had not done a credit check? A criminal background check? Once you give them your SS and sign the disclosure papers they have the choice to do or do not.
Did you not sign a form with your SS before you were employed?
Yes, but they are required to notify you if in fact they pull those and are required to give you the option to get a copy. Notifications have come from the agency doing the check. This might be state specific, I am not sure, but it gave me the option to receive a copy, which I did ask for. Also, if they pulled your credit report, even if the state didn't require them to notify you, you can see the hard inquiry on your credit report. You should be pulling your credit report for free every 4 months (I pull one credit agency every 4 months; or you could pull all 3 once a year). annualcreditreport.com So, I know for certain that not one employer has ever requested a credit check on me.
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Post by honeysalt on Jun 14, 2015 22:14:37 GMT -5
Multiple DUI''s can result in a felony. Felony = no passport. Large corporation don't want to invest time, training and money into employees who can't make international business trips. Small and medium companies aren't typically going to require international travel. This wouldn't be an issue if he was a coder. He chose a very conservative field where credit and background checks are often required.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 15, 2015 6:37:37 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain DUI would cost me my CPA license. It would also be an issue on my background check. Maybe in some fields it might be easier but finance/accounting is still pretty rigid.
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Post by milee on Jun 15, 2015 10:28:06 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain DUI would cost me my CPA license. It would also be an issue on my background check. Maybe in some fields it might be easier but finance/accounting is still pretty rigid. It sounds like this varies by state. In Arizona, one of my friends was on the board that did the CPA licensure reviews. He said it wasn't uncommon to see DUIs come through (as well as a range of other things) and that one alone wasn't enough for them to boot you. He said there wasn't a formal, written policy - weird for CPAs, right? - but that it involved some judgment. I think the example he used was that one DUI alone wouldn't be enough to convince them that you should have your license yanked, but if you had one DUI on top of some complaints or other issues then it could be used as part of the decision and might tip the scales. He did say that they've revoked the license of people with multiple DUIs.
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Post by milee on Jun 15, 2015 10:37:22 GMT -5
The increasing reluctance of employers to hire people with even minor issues is due to the shift in public policy that makes employers ever more responsible for every aspect of an employee's life. As an employer, if you know you're going to be held 100% liable for an employee getting drunk and doing something stupid during work hours or for paying for the inpatient rehab of an employee who becomes an alcoholic or for paying for the ongoing healthcare expenses related to an employee's drinking, you get much pickier about the risk you're willing to take in hiring people.
It's not an easy issue to address since as a society it can be helpful to have employers be part of the social safety net. But forcing employers to be part of that net causes other issues - such as employers being increasingly unwilling to hire employees that have any sort of issue (physical, mental, criminal) at all. Having a large number of people who have what used to be considered minor or workable issues unemployed isn't good, either.
On another note, a lot of this is supply and demand driven. Right now, it's still a tight job market for many areas and professions. Employers have a lot of choice between many good applicants, so it's easy to use binary criteria to shrink the pool down. As the labor market gets tighter, employers won't have the same amount of choice and will be more willing to give candidates with a less than perfect record a second look.
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Post by wvugurl26 on Jun 15, 2015 11:17:22 GMT -5
I'm fairly certain DUI would cost me my CPA license. It would also be an issue on my background check. Maybe in some fields it might be easier but finance/accounting is still pretty rigid. It sounds like this varies by state. In Arizona, one of my friends was on the board that did the CPA licensure reviews. He said it wasn't uncommon to see DUIs come through (as well as a range of other things) and that one alone wasn't enough for them to boot you. He said there wasn't a formal, written policy - weird for CPAs, right? - but that it involved some judgment. I think the example he used was that one DUI alone wouldn't be enough to convince them that you should have your license yanked, but if you had one DUI on top of some complaints or other issues then it could be used as part of the decision and might tip the scales. He did say that they've revoked the license of people with multiple DUIs.
Mine was originally issued in West Virginia. An old coworker of mine had to explain a drunk and stupid public intoxication arrest when he was like 19 to even be able to sit for the exam. He wasn't convicted of anything but since he had an arrest on his record it was flagged. I'm sure some states are different. I prefer to not find out.
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Post by souldoubt on Jun 15, 2015 11:29:51 GMT -5
I got a DUI in my early 20's and had my CPA license 3 years later. When I applied for my current job they asked if I had ever been convicted of a felony which I said no since it was a misdemeanor. A later question asked if I'd ever been convicted of a driving infraction beyond a standard ticket so I said yes and gave details. There's life after a DUI but every situation is different and having a felony or multiple DUI's are a bit harder to explain away or rather prove you've moved past if they're recent. We were told in alcohol school that a high percentage of offenders would get more than one DUI so it's not that surprising to hear when it does happen. That said one was more than enough for me and it's simply not worth it especially when you could hurt someone.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 15, 2015 17:25:58 GMT -5
I think one of the guys I work with might have killed someone. He spent 24 years in prison, but wouldn't say why, just that he used to be a really bad person.
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Post by MJ2.0 on Jun 15, 2015 18:15:45 GMT -5
I think one of the guys I work with might have killed someone. He spent 24 years in prison, but wouldn't say why, just that he used to be a really bad person. Could have been for armed robbery.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 15, 2015 22:59:48 GMT -5
In my line of work, you can't have a record of any kind. We go through credit checks, background checks, and drug tests. After that, you have to pass multiple licensing exams. I have been doing my job for 15 years and am highly desirable. If I got arrested tomorrow, I would lose my job and not be able to work in my industry (insurance) again.
ETA : We have our driving record run too.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 15, 2015 23:01:26 GMT -5
I struck up a conversation in court while waiting when I went in to challenge a speeding ticket awhile back, expecting a story like my own, only to find out the guy was there for a DUI charge. I was floored to realize how many others were there to face DUI charges too. the unemployment rate isn't that high.....I can't imagine these folks are automatically unemployable. If you already have a job, they don't get to fire you for getting a DUI; although some places I worked did have a provision in the hiring documents that if you were convicted of a criminal offense you would be discharged. I'm just saying that at the preferred, large employers I have worked at, they screen out any applicant with convictions as "not hireable". Does not matter if it is for being a pedophile, drunk, drug user, thief or domestic violence. You are not getting hired if there is anything on your record. I could get arrested for not paying a speeding ticket and not be able to work again.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 15, 2015 23:02:33 GMT -5
My job also runs my driving record and credit report every so often.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 8:29:24 GMT -5
Judging by my ex husband's experience. The more he gets arrested, the better job he gets.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 16, 2015 13:39:00 GMT -5
If you already have a job, they don't get to fire you for getting a DUI; although some places I worked did have a provision in the hiring documents that if you were convicted of a criminal offense you would be discharged. I'm just saying that at the preferred, large employers I have worked at, they screen out any applicant with convictions as "not hireable". Does not matter if it is for being a pedophile, drunk, drug user, thief or domestic violence. You are not getting hired if there is anything on your record. I could get arrested for not paying a speeding ticket and not be able to work again. I don't know. Is that a criminal offense? If so, then 2 of the companies I worked at you would not be eligible for hire.
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Post by andi9899 on Jun 16, 2015 15:00:53 GMT -5
I could get arrested for not paying a speeding ticket and not be able to work again. I don't know. Is that a criminal offense? If so, then 2 of the companies I worked at you would not be eligible for hire. Yeah. You can have your drivers license taken away and/or be arrested on a bench warrant. Either of these is grounds for termination, not necessarily the fact that the ticket wasn't paid. I've never been in trouble with the law, so it's never been a problem. But some perfectly good candidates get rejected because either they have something on their background check or MVR. Even if it was something they did as a juvenile. Then you have to pass the credit check and finally the licensing exams. That's just to get in. Once you become an agent, you better bring money in the door or else you have to go. A big percentage don't survive.
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