15% of homicides in Utah are committed by police

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The police kill more people in Utah then gang members do.  They kill more people then drug dealers do.  The only group that kills more  then the police in Utah is intimate partners.  I wonder how spouses of police do? This was before 2010 so, I did not post in current events.

reason.com/blog/2014/11/24/in-utah-youre-more-likely-to-be-shot-be



Former police lieutenant Chris Gebhart ... "There’s an opportunity to de-escalate more of these situations. Officers instead are escalating these situations themselves."

[mroped]

There is nothing saying that those that got shot by police weren't holding a weapon themselves or threatening with a weapon. 
Using the same logic as the article, millions die every year in hospitals. We don't have to specify that some are dying of old age and was about their time, some arrive to the hospital already dead and some are dying of incurable diseases/illnesses. We can blame the doctors for it can't we?

[zibazinski]

Death by cop. A choice.

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Jun 4, 2015 18:01:37 GMT -5 mroped said:

There is nothing saying that those that got shot by police weren't holding a weapon themselves or threatening with a weapon. 
Using the same logic as the article, millions die every year in hospitals. We don't have to specify that some are dying of old age and was about their time, some arrive to the hospital already dead and some are dying of incurable diseases/illnesses. We can blame the doctors for it can't we?

Well, there is the police lieutenant saying the police are needlessly escalating the situations.

[NoNamePerson]

Maybe the state of Utah needs to pass legislation outlawing Police Forces in the state.

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Jun 4, 2015 17:18:17 GMT -5 @hickle said:

The police kill more people in Utah then gang members do.  They kill more people then drug dealers do.  The only group that kills more  then the police in Utah is intimate partners.  I wonder how spouses of police do? This was before 2010 so, I did not post in current events.

reason.com/blog/2014/11/24/in-utah-youre-more-likely-to-be-shot-be



Former police lieutenant Chris Gebhart ... "There’s an opportunity to de-escalate more of these situations. Officers instead are escalating these situations themselves."

I always question the validity of statements made by "formers" of any line of work.  I'm sure there's some honest formers out there, but there also is a lot of disgruntled formers also.  With the latest hype on police in the media, his timing is a little suspect.  IMHO of course.

[tskeeter]

Jun 4, 2015 19:47:45 GMT -5 @hickle said:

Jun 4, 2015 18:01:37 GMT -5 mroped said:

There is nothing saying that those that got shot by police weren't holding a weapon themselves or threatening with a weapon. 
Using the same logic as the article, millions die every year in hospitals. We don't have to specify that some are dying of old age and was about their time, some arrive to the hospital already dead and some are dying of incurable diseases/illnesses. We can blame the doctors for it can't we?

Well, there is the police lieutenant saying the police are needlessly escalating the situations.

Considering the personality of a good share of the police officers that I know, I can envision situations where the behavior of those police officers would escalate many situations, rather than defuse them.

Maybe the Utah statistics are a commentary on Utah's law enforcement selection practices. 

[NoNamePerson]

hom·i·cide:
noun: homicide; plural noun: homicides

the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Were all of the officers charged and brought to trial for murder?

[toomuchreality]

Jun 5, 2015 17:25:49 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

hom·i·cide:
noun: homicide; plural noun: homicides

the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Were all of the officers charged and brought to trial for murder?

[fatbear]

Jun 5, 2015 17:25:49 GMT -5 NoNamePerson said:

hom·i·cide:
noun: homicide; plural noun: homicides

the deliberate and unlawful killing of one person by another; murder.

Were all of the officers charged and brought to trial for murder?

Homicide is not necessarily murder.

Homicide is a legal term for any killing of a human being by another human being. Homicide itself is not necessarily a crime–some homicides are legal, such as a justifiable killing of a suspect by the police or a killing in self-defense–but unlawful homicides are classified as crimes like murder and manslaughter.

www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/homicide-murder-manslaughter-32637.html

[weltschmerz]

The majority of Utah's police force is Mormon. Are they particularly bloodthirsty, I wonder? 15% seems incredibly high.

"Utah is 70 percent LDS," Kerns said. "LDS members run the state government. The majority of judges, police officers, firefighters, lawyers, real estate agents and bankers are LDS. Almost everyone here is LDS."

www.bpnews.net/44307/week-of-prayer-a-heart-for-mormonheavy-utah