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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2015 11:02:53 GMT -5
i'd prefer that we teach science in science classes, myself. I'm not sure what you mean? You mean not teach religion? I agree! yeah, i am thinking that stuff kinda belongs in religious studies, myself.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:12:24 GMT -5
Yes. I didn't word things well earlier. I meant finding homeschooling science curriculum that was NOT written from a religious position was difficult at higher levels. I did not like all the religious bits in Bob Jones Life Science, which we redacted. For Biology I chose Miller Levine, which they use on public here, but because it wasn't 'homeschool' it was rather expensive.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2015 11:13:51 GMT -5
Yes. I didn't word things well earlier. I meant finding homeschooling science curriculum that was NOT written from a religious position was difficult at higher levels. I did not like all the religious bits in Bob Jones Life Science, which we redacted. For Biology I chose Miller Levine, which they use on public here, but because it wasn't 'homeschool' it was rather expensive. i am not arguing with you, oped. i am agreeing with you.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:16:15 GMT -5
I just wasn't sure, as when I retread my last post it really wasn't clear I knew we agreed, just wasn't sure my posting looked consistent
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Post by The Captain on Jun 2, 2015 11:22:23 GMT -5
Yes. I didn't word things well earlier. I meant finding homeschooling science curriculum that was NOT written from a religious position was difficult at higher levels. I did not like all the religious bits in Bob Jones Life Science, which we redacted. For Biology I chose Miller Levine, which they use on public here, but because it wasn't 'homeschool' it was rather expensive. I'm a bit surprised to learn this. Honestly know nothing about home schooling (other than that upon which what you educate us) but I guess I had some pie in the sky ideal that the curriculum would not be tainted by religion, politics, or what is PC at the moment. THAT is one of my problems with current curriculum. Both in DD's private, and now public school - it's apparent to me there is some indoctrination going on. While it was my choice to send her to a private school, and thus I had to accept the indoctrination, it really irks me at it being done in the public school.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 2, 2015 11:31:25 GMT -5
Lol. I'm still not being clear. Homeschool science curriculum does, unfortunately, at higher levels, seem to have religion too much involved. Thus the Bob Jones example. Also Aplolgia, etc. These specific homeschool science curriculums are 'gods world' bent.
Because I couldn't find what I wanted among specific 'homeschool curriculum', I had to go with public school curriculum, like Miller Levine for Biology, which does NOT have religion involved at all! The only concession for me was that it cost easily 4x at least as much as homeschooling curriculum generally does. But then I did get the latest version.
For Chem and Physics I've done a combo of public texts and self learning guides, etc. Real Science also does have a higher level text for Chem.... But it's not an entire course.
Anyway, no, not religion in public texts... Around here anyway.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 2, 2015 11:53:31 GMT -5
Lol. I'm still not being clear. Homeschool science curriculum does, unfortunately, at higher levels, seem to have religion too much involved. Thus the Bob Jones example. Also Aplolgia, etc. These specific homeschool science curriculums are 'gods world' bent. Because I couldn't find what I wanted amount specific 'homeschool curriculum', I had to go with public school curriculum, like Miller Levine for Biology, which does NOT have religion involved at all! The only concession for me was that it cost easily 4x at least as much as homeschooling curriculum generally does. But then I did get the latest version. For Chem and Physics I've done a combo of public texts and self learning guides, etc. Real Science also does have a higher level text for Chem.... But it's not an entire course. Anyway, no, not religion in public texts... Around here anyway. that is because the "market" for homeschooling is primarily evangelical Christians. i pointed that out on another thread. edit: or was it this one? so, how this argument is starting to break down is that we have a choice between being indoctrinated into church, or into "government".
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Post by formerroomate99 on Jun 4, 2015 0:07:36 GMT -5
The origin of life on this planet is a rather tiny part of what science is. It doesn't really affect your understanding of chemistry, physics, photosynthesis, etc.
On the other end of the spectrum, I know people who were taught in school that the Piltdown man was proof of evolution (en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Piltdown_Man), decades after it was proven to be a hoax. That little inaccuracy didn't stop them from learning about science.
Magic and superstition has no place in science books. None. And what do you call teaching a well known falsehood as fact because it fits in with your worldview?
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Post by fairlycrazy23 on Jun 4, 2015 9:46:13 GMT -5
One thing that should be taught in science class, probably every quarter, is the differences between hypothesis, theory and law. And what the Scientific method is. This should be required in public,private and home schools.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 4, 2015 9:47:22 GMT -5
One thing that should be taught in science class, probably every quarter, is the differences between hypothesis, theory and law. And what the Scientific method is. This should be required in public,private and home schools. logic and critical thinking should be taught, as well. if we cared about the future of our democratic republic, that is.
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Post by happyhoix on Jun 4, 2015 10:41:09 GMT -5
One thing that should be taught in science class, probably every quarter, is the differences between hypothesis, theory and law. And what the Scientific method is. This should be required in public,private and home schools. logic and critical thinking should be taught, as well. if we cared about the future of our democratic republic, that is. Especially now that we have the internet, so that any one with an internet connection can have a website or blog, I think there should be a required HS course on how to navigate the media. One project could be reading an article on the same subject written by Mother Jones, Fox News, The New Yorker, and the Wall Street Journal. Compare and contrast the content of the article and the overall message. Another project could be to take something presented as a fact by a media outlet and attempt to trace it back to the source, then evaluate the source to determine if the person quoting it did it fairly, or quoted out of context. Was the original source a recent study or dated, and who was the author? I've heard that a lot of twenty somethings get all their news from John Stewart, and that's terrifying. They need to learn what is hard news and what is entertainment, opinion, or click bait.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 4, 2015 22:39:14 GMT -5
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 4, 2015 22:50:11 GMT -5
Evangelical? I hope you didn't mean Christian Evangelical. Elon Musk is an atheist.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Jun 4, 2015 22:51:27 GMT -5
Evangelical? I hope you didn't mean Christian Evangelical. Elon Musk is an atheist. yeah, but homeschooling and what not is for evangelical Christians- so he must have changed his mind.
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Post by weltschmerz on Jun 4, 2015 22:54:06 GMT -5
Evangelical? I hope you didn't mean Christian Evangelical. Elon Musk is an atheist. yeah, but homeschooling and what not is for evangelical Christians- so he must have changed his mind. What are you blathering about? Nobody claimed that every single homeschooling parent is a rabid evangelical. Most are, but not all.
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Post by djAdvocate on Jun 5, 2015 1:10:03 GMT -5
Evangelical? I hope you didn't mean Christian Evangelical. Elon Musk is an atheist. yeah, but homeschooling and what not is for evangelical Christians- so he must have changed his mind. what part of 70% don't you understand? edit: you were wrong. deal with it.
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