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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 10, 2011 15:00:22 GMT -5
........obfiscation and denial........ victimazation....... Pretty much the stock and trade of liberal, leftists and bigots. Spot on.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 10, 2011 15:03:42 GMT -5
Isn't the sacred cow Hindu? LOL ;D
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Post by marshabar1 on Mar 10, 2011 15:20:38 GMT -5
Isn't the sacred cow Hindu? LOL ;D Oh yeah. Sacred hand?
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 2:08:44 GMT -5
Zakaria was on CNN this evening..he feels and I agree, the proper authorities should be involved here, FBI, Home land security , all the proper agencies , checking the mosques, the publications , definitely involved heavily...and he and I feel they are involved and if not then some one s job should be taken from them.
As far as public hearings..to me entertainment for the masses, publicity for moderator and dangerous to the Muslims in the country as it is putting them on a pedestal here. Just read posts by some here who really hate these people just because of their faith. Men, woman grandparents, children. It's been done before , other places , that we know about, Here, we really don't like to acknowledge it to much. Native Americans, we slaughtered them. Blacks of course, Orientals, Chinese and of course Japanese Americans{that was in my life time, nothing said really in my family that I remembered, just accepted I guess}recent history, Montenyards , fisherman , when settled in Gulf area from Vietnam, and a lesser but still no less hardship, the Jews, Irish, Italians.
As Zakaria said , investigate the Brother Hood, look into the contacts, the communications , the schools, what is being taught, what is the danger, proper agencies , I agree, but the hearings, a circus for the enjoyment of those interested and nothing will come of it but a separating of those and disenfranchisement of honest citizens who are of the faith of Allah.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 8:55:55 GMT -5
Did any of the posters on this thread who are critical of the Hearings by the Homeland Security Committtee actually watch them?? Isn't it just being hyprocrital to lambast these hearings when you didn't watch them?? What are you basing your comments on?
I suggesst you do some research into the Muslim Threats in this country since 9/11:
1. Muslims commit murder in our country in the name of their religion invoking God to justify their actions.
2. Muslims use their Quran teachings to back their terrorism but yet the Imams refuse to acknowledge the connections
3. The hearings were to begin a dialogue and investigation into the threat of Islam Radicalization.
These were just a few of the topics discussed yesterday at these hearings but yet those in the Muslim Community were mostly critical of these inquiries into the radicalization of US Muslims and their hesitancy to report this to law inforcement authorities. The bottom line summarized by Congressman King was that Muslims are doing too little to fight terror in America.
However those dems and liberals at this hearing objected to the hearings and the premise that Muslim Radicalization is a threat to our security and they wanted to know why the Obama Administration, Homeland Security, Justice Dept and FBI did not partake in these hearings. The Obama Administration did release a comment through their press secretary that said they opposed these hearings so they boycotted them for obvious reasons.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 9:18:10 GMT -5
Zakaria was on CNN this evening..he feels and I agree, the proper authorities should be involved here, FBI, Home land security , all the proper agencies , checking the mosques, the publications , definitely involved heavily...and he and I feel they are involved and if not then some one s job should be taken from them. And I can agree with that as well. The more I think about "congressional hearings" the more I think "quit wasting your time and our money and get your azzes back to work."
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 9:27:30 GMT -5
Zakaria was on CNN this evening..he feels and I agree, the proper authorities should be involved here, FBI, Home land security , all the proper agencies , checking the mosques, the publications , definitely involved heavily...and he and I feel they are involved and if not then some one s job should be taken from them. And I can agree with that as well. The more I think about "congressional hearings" the more I think "quit wasting your time and our money and get your azzes back to work." It could well be that the hearings yesterday did reveal one important aspect and we are split by parties on terrorism and the radicalization in the American Muslim Communities... Liberals don't think we have a problem and Conservatives think the large elephant in the room is the threat from radical Muslims.. Were the hearings yesterday a waste of time?? Depends on your party affiliations I guess??
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 11, 2011 9:42:50 GMT -5
I missed the hearings. I figure if they break any actual news- we'll hear about it.
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Post by floridayankee on Mar 11, 2011 9:46:39 GMT -5
Were the hearings yesterday a waste of time?? Depends on your party affiliations I guess?? What I mean by "waste of time" is that congressional hearings have never really been more than a dog & pony show....so why bother?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on Mar 11, 2011 9:54:48 GMT -5
FY- when it comes to CEO pay and steroid use in baseball...I'm with you. However, I think national security ought to, from time to time, be treated to a PUBLIC hearing. There'll be bloviating and grand standing- yes. Still, it's worthwhile.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 11:43:54 GMT -5
The Left's Peter King Lynch Mob . DailyBeast, Friday, March 11, 2011, 4:05am (PST) Liberals complain that the hearings on American Muslims were a racist blame game. But they trashed anyone trying to tell the truth about the radicalization of Islam. the headlines, two minutes have defined the four-hour hearing of the House Homeland Protection Committee on radicalization of Muslim American community: Minnesota Democratic Rep. Keith Ellison breaking down, sobbing, as he told the story of 9/11 Muslim paramedic, Mohammed Salman Hamdani, saying some people tried to "smear" Hamdani's name before his remains were found, "solely because of his Islamic faith." "Keith Ellison cries," read a caption at conservative website, the Daily Caller. "Rep. Ellison breaks down during hearing," read the Washington Post headline. "FEAR THY NEIGHBOR," flashed on the screen as liberal MSNBC host Chris Matthews played the Ellison video and took committee chairman Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.) to task for bashing Muslims. Related story on The Daily Beast: Al Qaeda's Deadly New Nest But, from my vantage point in the fourth row of the packed hearing room, sitting next to my eight-year-old son, Shibli, (on a special field trip to Capitol Hill with mom), I was left with a very different lasting memory, after Ellison wiped his face, gathered up his papers and swept quickly out of the room. The hearing didn't amount to the much-anticipated slam against Muslims but rather it devolved, ironically, into a figurative lynch mob by leading liberals on civil rights and women's rights against truth-tellers on radicalization within the Muslim community. It was horrifying to witness. The attempt to discredit war stories from the trenches in the battle against extremist interpretations of Islam is extremely troubling to me, as a writer-activist challenging sexism and extremism in our communities, because so much of the inspiration for reform comes from the success of liberals in the U.S. civil rights, women's rights, and other social justice struggles. (I'm as liberal as you can get: pro-gun control, pro-choice, pro-union and pro-same sex marriage.) But, on this issue of challenging extremism inside Islam, the hearing revealed to me that liberals, sadly, are largely out to lunch. If we continue at this rate of denial, as a nation, I'm seriously afraid we don't stand a chance against al-Qaeda and Islamic militancy.more bltwy.msnbc.msn.com/politics/news#wallState=0__%2Fpolitics%2Fthe-lefts-peter-king-lynch-mob-1683158.story
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 11:53:30 GMT -5
Rep. Ellison breaks down during hearing," read the Washington Post headline. "FEAR THY NEIGHBOR," flashed on the screen as liberal MSNBC host Chris Matthews played the Ellison video and took committee chairman Rep. Peter King (R., N.Y.) to task for bashing Muslims.Read more: notmsnmoney.proboards.com/index.cgi?action=display&board=politics&thread=4525&page=3#ixzz1GJJ8Dk1II watched these hearings and Rep Ellison did get somewhat emotional talking about a Muslim Paramedic who was killed on 9/11 but would have to respectfully disagree with the esteemed and highly knowledgeable Chris Matthews because I did NOT see Congressman King bash any Muslims...in his opening statements and throughout the hearings Mr King was very courteous towards Muslims and kept making the point that the problem he had with Muslims in the USA is that they are not cooperating with Law enforcement about the issue of "Radicalization" and the witnesses from the Muslim Community and Law Enforcement seemed to back up his claim....but the question remained Why? Why don't Muslims want to ferret out the radicals in their community?? Who knows?? Just the Muslim Imams would be my best guess??
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 11, 2011 12:26:03 GMT -5
The [valid] purpose of Congressional Hearings is to publicize and garner support for some issue or other. That is; to gain public support presumably for some legislation promoting something. It also serves to publicize the politicians involved as it did famously for Harry Truman, Richard Nixon, Estes Kefauver, Joseph McCarthy, Robert Kennedy, etc. Good examples are the investigations of organized crime headed by Kefauver and Kennedy. It seems that J. Edgar Hoover, head of the FBI, had taken the position that the Mafia [Cosa Nostra] didn't really exist and were just ethnic slurs directed toward Italian-Americans . Well, it turns out that there was such an organization [one of many] and Federal law enforcement eventually broke up the old "crime families." So it appears that these hearings may serve some useful purpose after all. The McCarthy hearings did identify communist sympathizers and influenced public policy and public perception even until today. The value of the hearings, if any, will only become obvious after they are completed. It is only too tempting to conclude at this point that those strongly opposed to the current hearings are afraid of what the hearings will reveal. Not the most honorable reason to support or oppose something. For example:
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 12:35:20 GMT -5
Yea but these hearings yesterday ran into a huge roadblock because they are being depicted in the Liberal Media as being Anti-Muslim, and the Obama Administration does NOT support the idea of Islamic Radicalization....Eric Holder has already denounced these hearings and Obama of course is silent or waiting to see which way the political winds blow..IMHO
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Post by workpublic on Mar 11, 2011 12:46:12 GMT -5
the mafia hearings were labeled anti italian too, then a mobster went public and started an anti italian defamation league then he was shot by other mobsters because he brought too much publicity to the mob. nowadays in NY we don't think of prosecuting italian mobsters as anti itailian. prosecutor guilianni helped change that too.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 13:30:42 GMT -5
Yea but with just the Sheriff from Los Angeles CA and nobody from Homeland Security, FBI or Justice Dept the hearings yesterday about Islamic Radicalization were not really that informative IMHO...
We saw a Muslim Congressman cry, and a few others voice their opinions about how powerful the Muslim Imams are for controlling the Muslim Communities.. Was it a waste of time??? I would vote YES....unless there are more meetings with more substance than yesterday's The meeting yesterday did state there is a threat in this country with Islam Radicalization and it is growing and is very threatening to our way of life. But Congressman King can only sound the alarm and not do much else I guess??
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Post by Deleted on Mar 11, 2011 13:32:46 GMT -5
I saw an interesting clip of King a few years back suggesting that the IRA was on par with British Military? ... Interesting...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 11, 2011 13:37:10 GMT -5
I saw an interesting clip of King a few years back suggesting that the IRA was on par with British Military? ... Interesting... He also said Obama offered him the job as Ambassador to Ireland...that is also interesting.. and may have ticked off my cousins in ole Beantown who believe tha there are only two types of Irishmen.....Boston Irish and those who wish they were Boston Irish....believe me on this because it is the law in the South Boston Pubs and woe be to any doubters there.. Especially in 6 days..
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 11, 2011 13:58:58 GMT -5
Did any of the posters on this thread who are critical of the Hearings by the Homeland Security Committee actually watch them?? Isn't it just being hypocritical to lambaste these hearings when you didn't watch them?? What are you basing your comments on? I suggest you do some research into the Muslim Threats in this country since 9/11: 1. Muslims commit murder in our country in the name of their religion invoking God to justify their actions. 2. Muslims use their Quran teachings to back their terrorism but yet the Imams refuse to acknowledge the connections 3. The hearings were to begin a dialog and investigation into the threat of Islam Radicalization. These were just a few of the topics discussed yesterday at these hearings but yet those in the Muslim Community were mostly critical of these inquiries into the radicalization of US Muslims and their hesitancy to report this to law enforcement authorities. The bottom line summarized by Congressman King was that Muslims are doing too little to fight terror in America. However those dems and liberals at this hearing objected to the hearings and the premise that Muslim Radicalization is a threat to our security and they wanted to know why the Obama Administration, Homeland Security, Justice Dept and FBI did not partake in these hearings. The Obama Administration did release a comment through their press secretary that said they opposed these hearings so they boycotted them for obvious reasons. Some Muslims do those things true P.I. I still feel that the problem , and it is probably a big one, should be handled by the proper authorities, Now if it could be shown that little or nothing was being done by those agencies , see the FBI's investigations if organized crime, Cosa Nostra, back in the day when the director , Mr Hoover, was more interested in presenting good crime busting statistics to the American public so was concentrating the agencies efforts on car theft rings and such, rather then Organized Crime and not till the Kefauver hearings in the summer, {I remember the adults sitting, watching, 12 " black and white set at the summer cottage and discussing, had no real clue or interest at the time} and it was those hearings , showing those crime leaders who were before the cameras, pleading the 5th a 100 times a day , in a row, on all the questions, semi accusations made, and the reply was , "I plead the 5th"{they allowed the abbreviation to get through them, think Frank Costello was a big one there, that they, the FBI started to change their focus, and go after them. If the same neglect toward the threat, the Brother Hood, the support from abroad of the terror groups to home based youth and individuals was a happening, then I can see public hearings to get the focus on the right path. I don't think that is the case here, with the fight against these terrorist groups and the Americans publics knowledge of the problem, very well aware , unlike the organized Crime , rumored by some but not really known, our being at war in Afghanistan and the happenings in the Middle East and the Muslim brotherhood " being mentioned as a potential problem every day in the media. I don't expect anything new to come out of these hearings that is not known by the proper authorities or the agencies involved in this fight and a lot of harm will be done against those followers of the faith who are no more guilty of planning harm against our country then you or I. Singled out just because of their faith, it has been done before, it can be done again , easily and what is frightening to me is so many , you too, here and through out the country don't really mind that these innocents are singled out , almost like, you believe in your faith as you do, you have it coming.
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 13, 2011 16:29:28 GMT -5
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Post by deziloooooo on Mar 13, 2011 16:52:23 GMT -5
Having lived abroad in Islamic countries, I've got a number of Muslim friends. Amongst those people, and the people I knew when we lived abroad, the vast majority would, indeed, shun anyone who advocated hatred. I saw it in action. I am sure however , and not finding fault, educated or not, am sure they were not happy with Israel, their being who they are, even being, and the US support of as it is, and probably blaming most of the problems of the world on the shoulders of the Israeli's, OK if not the world , at least the region. Curious, among your friends much discussion about the schism of Shia and Sunni, your friends who live over seas, here, in States doesn't seem that big a deal. I am thinking your friends are educated, people with world wide experiences , cosmopolitan in a way?
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 13, 2011 17:46:17 GMT -5
That was interesting. Maher is usually a straight plantation Democrat. I think Rep. Ellison was expecting the usual kid glove treatment liberals get on Maher's show (in fact, I don't think he ever has conservatives on his show at all, it seems it's always a left-wing lovefest). Not sure if I would call that a heated exchange, but it was interesting to see the reaction the Representative had to someone "on his side" telling the plain truth about Islam...
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Post by safeharbor37 on Mar 13, 2011 18:23:11 GMT -5
On his old show, "Politically Incorrect," he had conservatives on all the time, although they would tend to be the likes of Ann Coulter or Christine O’Donnell. I never really cared for him , but he's an entertainer like Conan and I don't suppose it matters whether he's "fair and balanced" or not. I'd say that Maher is not so much a "plantation Democrat" as he is a far left extremist [which, I admit, seems to be becoming main-stream Democrat nowadays]. He's apparently an atheist [Catholic] so maybe he has as little use for Islam as he does for [Catholicism]. That could explain it.
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Post by ed1066 on Mar 13, 2011 18:26:16 GMT -5
He's actually a lapsed Catholic, he says it in the clip...
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Post by privateinvestor on Mar 14, 2011 8:01:24 GMT -5
Watch now for MSNB's Chris Matthews and Rachel Maddow have congressman Keith Ellison on their shows as their guest. Then try to make him look like a hero for crying at the Congressman King hearings last Thursday when he talked about the Muslims who died on 9/11..
One question they should ask Ellison is how do the Muslims respond to the radicalization of their youths in this country? What is being done to prevent this from happening in the USA and is it a subject being discussed by the Imans at their Mosques??
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Post by henryclay on Mar 17, 2011 16:34:55 GMT -5
One father testified at the hearings. This is what he said: US House of Representatives, Washington DC, March 10, 2011
Thank you very much for allowing me to come here and tell the country what happened to my son. This hearing today is extremely important to begin the discussion about the issue of Islamic radicalization in America and my hope is that this Committee can somehow address this issue in a meaningful, productive way.
First, I would like to express my deepest sympathy to the family of Private William Long, and to the wounded soldier, Quinton Ezeagwula. I would like to talk about those complicit in Private Long’s murder – the Islamic radicals who programmed and trained my son Carlos to kill.
I want to tell the American people and the world what happened to my son. We sent him off to college at Tennessee State University in Nashville, Tennessee in the fall of 2003. Our dreams about his future ended up in a nightmare.
Carlos is my only son. He grew up in Memphis, Tennessee. My wife and I operate a tour company in Memphis, Tennessee and Carlos started helping out with the family business at the age of eight. He loved talking to the traveling public; and he had a lot of fun interacting with the customers.
After graduating from high school, he wanted to get a degree in Business Administration. We thought perhaps he would come back to Memphis to run the business and give my wife and me early retirement.
After the fall of 2005 – his sophomore fall in Nashville –Carlos came home that Christmas for the holidays.
We were sitting around in the family room, Carlos’s only sister, Monica, her husband and I, having a normal conversation about life in general. But at a certain point, Carlos and his brother-in-law Terrell got into a heated conversation about the Muslim religion. Then and later, we felt like Carlos’s personality changed when we spoke about Islam. We thought maybe he had some Muslim friends in college and was offended by our comments.
The next time Carlos came home, we saw another side of him that we hadn't seen before. During the night, he took down all the pictures from the walls in the bedroom where he slept. He even took Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr. picture off the wall. We asked Carlos: "What is going on with you?”
He replied that he is now a new convert to Islam and that everything he does from now on will be to honor Allah. We got very concerned: While he was growing up, Dr. Martin Luther King, Jr’s picture had always hung on his bedroom wall; but now treated the picture as if Dr. King was nobody to him.
We asked Carlos not to take Dr. King's picture off the wall, but he took it off the wall anyway. This became a big concern to us. We went to visit him in Nashville because we wanted to learn more about what was really going on with Carlos.
We discovered that Carlos had dropped out of school, at the beginning of the 2005 fall semester. He was working a temporary job. He had gotten a dog while in college, and now we found out that he had turned the dog loose in the woods because he was told that Muslims consider dogs dirty creatures. I really couldn't understand how he could do that, because Carlos grew up with a dog in the house since he was five years old.
So my wife and I thought that there something or someone was getting in his head and changing the way he thinks. It had gotten to the point where he had no interest in coming home, even for the holidays.
All of this was part of brainwashing him, and changing his thinking a little bit at a time. He had a job in Nashville, together with some Muslims, who would tell him that according to Islamic law, his employer had to let him pray at certain times of the day, regardless of what was going on at the job. As a business owner, I told Carlos that it would be very difficult for an employer to do this for all of his employees.
As the next step on his process of radicalization, Carlos was convinced to change his name. He chose the name Abdulhakim Muhammad. At this point, his culture was no longer important to him, only the Islamic culture mattered.
Some Muslim leaders had taken advantage of my son. But he’s not the only one being taken advantage of: this is going on in Nashville and in many other cities in America.
In Nashville, Carlos was captured by people best described as hunters. He was manipulated and lied to. That’s how he made his way to Yemen. Carlos was hoping to go there for a chance to cross over to Saudi Arabia and visit Mecca, as he was taught all true Muslims must do at one time in their life. He was taught that he would get to walk on the ground where Prophet Muhammad walked be able to travel around the area. But these hunters had other plans for him. They set him up, telling him that he could teach English at a British School in Aden in South Yemen, This school turned out to be a front and Carlos ended up in a training camp run by terrorists.
Carlos’s joining in with Yemeni extremists was facilitated by their American counterparts in Nashville. We have since discovered that the former Imam of a Nashville mosque, the Al Farooq Mosque, wrote the recommendation letter Carlos needed for the school in Yemen. We also discovered that the school functions as an intake front for radicalizing and training Westerners for Jihad.
From what I understand, the FBI had been following Carlos since before he left Nashville and continued to do so after he came back from Yemen. When Carlos was arrested for overstaying his visa in October of 2008, he was interviewed by an FBI agent based in Nashville even before the U.S. Embassy was alerted about the arrest. According to the Embassy, the FBI was alarmed about what they learned from Carlos.
We wish they could have told us - his family – about what they learned. If we knew how serious his extremism had become, we could have put in every effort to prevent the tragedy in Arkansas from happening.
When my son was arrested in Yemen, my family cried out for help in bringing our son back to America from our Government. We got in touch with the U.S. Embassy and the State Department. We also asked for help from our U.S. Representative, Steve Cohen’s office, and from FBI Special Agent Greg Thomason, who had been tracking my son since Nashville.
After our son was finally released and brought home to us. No one said anything to us about what might have happened to him in Yemen or what they may have learned that so alarmed the FBI agent who interrogated Carlos while he was in the custody of Yemen’s Political Security Organization.
Carlos’s experience in Yemeni political jail was the final stage of his radicalization. He was in there with true evil-doers – hard-core Al Qaeda members who convinced him to get revenge on America.
Something is wrong with the Muslim leadership in Nashville. What happened to Carlos at those Nashville mosques isn’t normal. I have other family members who are Muslims, and they are modern, peaceful, law abiding people, who have been Muslim for many years and are not radicalized.
I also have several uncles and brothers in the military. Our family has fought for the United States in every war since the Civil War. I have nephews who are currently in Afghanistan, as I speak, fighting for democracy and freedom for all Americans.
It seems to me that the American people are sitting around and doing nothing about Islamic extremism, as if Carlos’s story and the other stories told at these hearings aren’t true. There is a big elephant in the room, but our society continues not to see it.
This wrong is caused by political correctness. You can even call it political fear - yes, fear. Fear of stepping on a special minority population’s toes, even as a segment of that population wants to stamp out America and everything we stand for.
I must say that we are losing American babies – our children are in danger. This country must stand up and do something about this problem. Yes, it’s my son’s tragic story you’re hearing about today, but tomorrow it could be your son or your daughter. It might be an African-American child that they went after in Nashville, but tomorrow their victim might have blonde hair and blue eyes. One thing is for sure, it will happen again.
We must stop these extremist invaders from raping the minds of American citizens on American soil. Here in America today, there are people with radical Islamic political views who are organizing with one goal in mind: to convert our citizens and to turn them against the non-believers. This is a big problem now in Nashville, on college campuses and in the nearby area. Nashville has become a hot bed for radical Islamic recruiting.
Carlos grew up a happy-go-lucky kid. He always had a big smile on his face, and loved to crack a joke or two. Everyone liked him. He loved to play team sports like basketball and football. He loved swimming, dancing, and listening to music.
Today we have two families that have been destroyed. This could have been prevented. I would like to see something change so that no other family in this great country of ours has to go through what our family is facing now.
GOD HELP US! GOD HELP US! Amen. www.actforamerica.org/index.php/learn/email-archives/2276-the-king-hearing-what-we-learned-
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