Those pesky JV teams in Iraq

[Value Buy]

Are tearing up Iraq in the playoffs.
Of course our Secretary of State says not a big deal, city not important to U.S.
But, it happens to be a main artery into Syria also.


www.businessinsider.com/the-war-against-isis-in-iraq-just-took-a-dark-turn-2015-5

If anyone cares, blame President Bush, but Obama inherited the mess, and said we were getting out.
We did, and now we have the JV team almost running the show there.

Now the next President will have to clean up President Obama's mess
Of course Kerry and the President has said we are winning the fight.
I think we heard the same thing in 
Korea
South Vietnam
and now Iraq.

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2015 13:47:53 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Are tearing up Iraq in the playoffs.
Of course our Secretary of State says not a big deal, city not important to U.S.
But, it happens to be a main artery into Syria also.


www.businessinsider.com/the-war-against-isis-in-iraq-just-took-a-dark-turn-2015-5

If anyone cares, blame President Bush, but Obama inherited the mess, and said we were getting out.
We did, and now we have the JV team almost running the show there.

Now the next President will have to clean up President Obama's mess
Of course Kerry and the President has said we are winning the fight.
I think we heard the same thing in 
Korea
South Vietnam
and now Iraq.

Iraq itself is Frosh-Soph.  that is what happens when you take over, disban the army, and leave.

lesson learned: don't go, or don't leave.  i would opt for the prior.

edit: i don't think anyone has said it recently, but Bush was the one who decided to leave Iraq.  Obama just finished the job. 

[Tennesseer]

Don't invade in the first place under false pretense and you don't have to worry about a future J-V team.

[Value Buy]

May 18, 2015 14:14:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Don't invade in the first place under false pretense and you don't have to worry about a future J-V team.

Agreed.
Then again ISIS came to power  in Syria, then Iraq when this President called for the ouster of Syria's Presidential dictator.

[Tennesseer]

May 18, 2015 14:20:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 18, 2015 14:14:26 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Don't invade in the first place under false pretense and you don't have to worry about a future J-V team.

Agreed.
Then again ISIS came to power  in Syria, then Iraq when this President called for the ouster of Syria's Presidential dictator.

I may not have like Saddam Hussein but he did keep the region in check.

[Value Buy]

May 18, 2015 14:22:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

May 18, 2015 14:20:19 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Agreed.
Then again ISIS came to power  in Syria, then Iraq when this President called for the ouster of Syria's Presidential dictator.

I may not have like Saddam Hussein but he did keep the region in check.

Those were the days, but he did gas some of the religious minorities...................
Unfortunately, the religious groups are just too politically strong, and they are worse than the tyrants who are happy to just rule with an iron fist in the country they reign in.

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 18, 2015 14:22:44 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

I may not have like Saddam Hussein but he did keep the region in check.

Those were the days, but he did gas some of the religious minorities...................
Unfortunately, the religious groups are just too politically strong, and they are worse than the tyrants who are happy to just rule with an iron fist in the country they reign in.

i didn't know that.  i thought he gassed his own ethnic Kurdish population.  never heard that he did it for religious reasons.

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May 18, 2015 16:17:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 18, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Those were the days, but he did gas some of the religious minorities...................
Unfortunately, the religious groups are just too politically strong, and they are worse than the tyrants who are happy to just rule with an iron fist in the country they reign in.

i didn't know that.  i thought he gassed his own ethnic Kurdish population.  never heard that he did it for religious reasons.

Specifically for religious reasons?
Maybe not.
The Kurds wanted political freedom, but they were a religious minority in the country.
I might have to rethink my original post.
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[mmhmm]

May 18, 2015 16:17:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 18, 2015 14:35:39 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Those were the days, but he did gas some of the religious minorities...................
Unfortunately, the religious groups are just too politically strong, and they are worse than the tyrants who are happy to just rule with an iron fist in the country they reign in.

i didn't know that.  i thought he gassed his own ethnic Kurdish population.  never heard that he did it for religious reasons.

He didn't. Most of the Kurds are Sunni muslim while the majority in Iraq are Shia, but that had nothing to do with why the Kurds were gassed. The Peshmerga had been battling Hussain for a long time. They wanted their own country and were a pain in his backside. Religion had nothing to do with it, really. The fact that the majority of Iraq is Shia (the majority of the world's Muslims are Sunni) was a good scapegoat, though.

[Opti]

VB, I've always read about the Kurds as a ethnic minority versus anything about their religion. Religion wise they seem to be diverse although the majority seem to be various sects of Islam and only a minority are Christian.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds

As a whole, the Kurdish people are adherents to a large number of different religions and creeds, perhaps constituting the most religiously diverse people of West Asia. Traditionally, Kurds have been known to take great liberties with their practices. This sentiment is reflected in the saying "Compared to the unbeliever, the Kurd is a Muslim".[201]

[mmhmm]

May 18, 2015 17:12:48 GMT -5 Opti said:

VB, I've always read about the Kurds as a ethnic minority versus anything about their religion. Religion wise they seem to be diverse although the majority seem to be various sects of Islam and only a minority are Christian.

en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kurds

As a whole, the Kurdish people are adherents to a large number of different religions and creeds, perhaps constituting the most religiously diverse people of West Asia. Traditionally, Kurds have been known to take great liberties with their practices. This sentiment is reflected in the saying "Compared to the unbeliever, the Kurd is a Muslim".[201]

The majority are, indeed, Sunni Muslim; however, there are a number of religions represented in the Kurdish population. They only account for about 10%, though. Had a wonderful Kurdish friend in Iran. He and his wife lived next door to us. He called himself a "wild mountain man" and admitted he didn't fit in with the average Iranian. He was married to an Armenian Christian. He was a very gregarious guy and happy to share his culture and ways of looking at the world. I learned a great deal about the Kurdish folk from him and am grateful for his friendship. He passed away a few years ago. His wife pre-deceased him by a few years. I miss hearing from him. We stayed in contact over the years.

[dondub]

Where did Hussein get the gas...

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2015 17:06:36 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 18, 2015 16:17:29 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

i didn't know that.  i thought he gassed his own ethnic Kurdish population.  never heard that he did it for religious reasons.

He didn't. Most of the Kurds are Sunni muslim while the majority in Iraq are Shia, but that had nothing to do with why the Kurds were gassed. The Peshmerga had been battling Hussain for a long time. They wanted their own country and were a pain in his backside. Religion had nothing to do with it, really. The fact that the majority of Iraq is Shia (the majority of the world's Muslims are Sunni) was a good scapegoat, though.

that was my understanding, and this has been a longstanding issue in the region, similar to other ethnic groups (with which we are vastly more familiar and sympathetic) wanting "homelands".  so, my understanding is that this was a nationalistic struggle.

[Value Buy]

And progressives call conservatives paranoid.

[dondub]

What was most remarkable about the outing of Valerie Plame was her role for the CIA in dealing with possible Iranian nuke advancements. Makes you wonder why these treasonous dogs did that with all the saber rattling the repos now do over Obamas Iranian diplomacy.

[EVT1]

Yep- nobody remembers Plame. It's all Benghazi

Nobody remembers much at all- especially when it comes to Reagan's criminal bunch- who sold arms to Iran that will be killing Americans as soon as the GOP has the power to send the kids in

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2015 17:53:06 GMT -5 dondub said:

Where did Hussein get the gas...

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May 18, 2015 22:24:46 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Yep- nobody remembers Plame. It's all Benghazi

Nobody remembers much at all- especially when it comes to Reagan's criminal bunch- who sold arms to Iran that will be killing Americans as soon as the GOP has the power to send the kids in

Say it is true about Plame.
She never died, and was never a target.
People died at Benghazi, and Clinton lied

[djAdvocate]

May 18, 2015 22:33:43 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 18, 2015 22:24:46 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

Yep- nobody remembers Plame. It's all Benghazi

Nobody remembers much at all- especially when it comes to Reagan's criminal bunch- who sold arms to Iran that will be killing Americans as soon as the GOP has the power to send the kids in

Say it is true about Plame.
She never died, and was never a target.
People died at Benghazi, and Clinton lied

lying is KNOWINGLY telling a falsehood.  what falsehood did Clinton KNOWINGLY tell?

[dondub]

Of course Plame was a target. They destroyed her career, Iranian contacts were murdered, her husbands truth telling about the yellow cake lies were minimized, and the criminal cabal I call BushCo. plunged us into a bogus war that has made daddy Bush and all their cronies hundreds of billions, and left us with 5000+ dead heroes and thousands more maimed for life and a huge debt load.

They should all be tried for treason and war crimes but too many Americans have been distracted by the ObamaObamaObamaObamauhh! and now Clinton this and that after 7 investigations of Benghazi. As if the repos don't have anything better to do like maybe helping the American people out of the mess they put us in.

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May 19, 2015 1:06:24 GMT -5 dondub said:

Of course Plame was a target. They destroyed her career, Iranian contacts were murdered, her husbands truth telling about the yellow cake lies were minimized, and the criminal cabal I call BushCo. plunged us into a bogus war that has made daddy Bush and all their cronies hundreds of billions, and left us with 5000+ dead heroes and thousands more maimed for life and a huge debt load.

They should all be tried for treason and war crimes but too many Americans have been distracted by the ObamaObamaObamaObamauhh! and now Clinton this and that after 7 investigations of Benghazi. As if the repos don't have anything better to do like maybe helping the American people out of the mess they put us in.

Maybe my history is fuzzy, but the cry of treason was made by the left well before Obama.

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May 18, 2015 22:35:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

May 18, 2015 22:33:43 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

Say it is true about Plame.
She never died, and was never a target.
People died at Benghazi, and Clinton lied

lying is KNOWINGLY telling a falsehood.  what falsehood did Clinton KNOWINGLY tell?

I guess it was just a street demonstration that got out of hand after all?
Like she said, who cares about it now.........
nothing to see here, move along.

[dondub]

That was a very interesting documentary.

[djAdvocate]

May 19, 2015 7:03:25 GMT -5 Value Buy said:

May 18, 2015 22:35:08 GMT -5 djAdvocate said:

lying is KNOWINGLY telling a falsehood.  what falsehood did Clinton KNOWINGLY tell?

I guess it was just a street demonstration that got out of hand after all?
Like she said, who cares about it now.........
nothing to see here, move along.

you are not answering the question.  be specific, if possible.

edit: for the record, i am no fan of Clinton, so i am receptive to your position, if you can stake it.

[dondub]

One would think, that after 7 (or is it really 9) Repo Congress investigations, that if there was a there there it would have been discovered and splashed all over every Faux Noiz outlet in the known universe. Instead we are still stuck on innuendo and folks that post that Hillary should be in prison for all of the crimes she has committed that they seem incapable of elucidating.