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Post by Tennesseer on May 13, 2015 7:57:38 GMT -5
I am starting to think Kim Jong-un's time in power will be ending soon with the military strapping him on to their next long-range missile test.
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Post by billisonboard on May 13, 2015 10:13:33 GMT -5
I wonder if Truman fantasized about a similar fate for MacArthur?
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Post by zibazinski on May 13, 2015 10:55:07 GMT -5
I am starting to think Kim Jong-un's time in power will be ending soon with the military strapping him on to their next long-range missile test. The makes me think of the movie TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE!
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Post by Tennesseer on May 13, 2015 11:03:53 GMT -5
I am starting to think Kim Jong-un's time in power will be ending soon with the military strapping him on to their next long-range missile test. The makes me think of the movie TEAM AMERICA WORLD POLICE!
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Post by zibazinski on May 13, 2015 11:04:56 GMT -5
"I'm so wonewy!"
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Post by happyhoix on May 13, 2015 12:11:55 GMT -5
My problem with the military taking over is they won't make any substantial changes. They won't want to open up NK to foreigners because they can't take the chance that the cowed citizens will find out how seriously they've been fucked over.
I mean, the country has massive work farms where people get sent for the smallest infractions - not just the person who did the crime, but their entire extended family. There have been whole generations of people born in those camps - condemned even before they were born because of who they were related to. And this isn't someone else treating the NK this way, this is their own damn countrymen.
The military doesn't dare let go of their hold on things, or their heads would be on pikes.
However, the military doesn't have to keep putting up with Skippy. His days are numbered. It's just a question of which military faction jumps in and seizes control after his cabbage head gets lopped off, and whether the military fronts another person to be the leader (who is considered a god, in NK) or if the military opts for some kind of military tribunal government, to avoid having the next commander in chief also turn out to be a whack job.
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Post by billisonboard on May 13, 2015 15:45:31 GMT -5
... However, the military doesn't have to keep putting up with Skippy. His days are numbered. It's just a question of which military faction jumps in and seizes control after his cabbage head gets lopped off, and whether the military fronts another person to be the leader (who is considered a god, in NK) or if the military opts for some kind of military tribunal government, to avoid having the next commander in chief also turn out to be a whack job. A posting of pure speculation. Do we know that Skippy is not already that figurehead leader? Internal politics can be tricky. Those anti-aircraft weapons were manned by military personnel.
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Post by happyhoix on May 14, 2015 8:17:29 GMT -5
... However, the military doesn't have to keep putting up with Skippy. His days are numbered. It's just a question of which military faction jumps in and seizes control after his cabbage head gets lopped off, and whether the military fronts another person to be the leader (who is considered a god, in NK) or if the military opts for some kind of military tribunal government, to avoid having the next commander in chief also turn out to be a whack job. A posting of pure speculation. Do we know that Skippy is not already that figurehead leader? Internal politics can be tricky. Those anti-aircraft weapons were manned by military personnel. Yes, it is pure speculation, because even people who know a lot about NK (and I'm not one of them) don't know all that much, because it's such a closed society. Skippy is already a figurehead. When his daddy died, it wasn't certain Skippy would inherit the kingdom. Different military factions backed different possible figure heads (uncles and cousins of the former Great Leader) and possibly some of the military figures themselves considered seizing control - but Skippy was picked, for now. If Skippy keeps up with his crazy antics, it would be easy to announce he slipped in the shower and died, have a big military parade, and then bring in Skippy II. It's kind of like the British War of the Roses, only with anti-aircraft weapons and much less attractive clothing.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 12:01:21 GMT -5
Most of their equipment is old with a lot of world war two/cold war stuff. If so, they're probably using 88 mm anti aircraft guns. This totally eliminates the usual legal and humanitarian problems associated with lethal injection/electric chair/firing squad, etc. Zero the weapon centered on a man shaped outline, test fire, and then strap prisoner into place. Instantaneous death at low cost. We should do a similar approach here. Dead is dead. No such thing as overkill in a death sentence. Fast and effective alleviates suffering. I don't see the crazy. Why they're executing is a different argument.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 14, 2015 12:59:34 GMT -5
Clinton gave this loon nukes, and Obama is giving the mullahs in Iran nukes. Democrats. They're going to get millions of people killed- not the least of whom will be innocent people in countries we will eventually be forced to literally wipe off the map because their nuclear capability combined with their moral depravity and mental illness will leave us no other viable options.
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Post by billisonboard on May 14, 2015 13:05:37 GMT -5
Clinton gave this loon nukes, and Obama is giving the mullahs in Iran nukes. Democrats. They're going to get millions of people killed- not the least of whom will be innocent people in countries we will eventually be forced to literally wipe off the map because their nuclear capability combined with their moral depravity and mental illness will leave us no other viable options. So our leaders are going to kill millions of innocent people because of other nations leaders moral depravity and mental illness?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 14, 2015 14:31:55 GMT -5
Clinton gave this loon nukes, and Obama is giving the mullahs in Iran nukes. Democrats. They're going to get millions of people killed- not the least of whom will be innocent people in countries we will eventually be forced to literally wipe off the map because their nuclear capability combined with their moral depravity and mental illness will leave us no other viable options. it must be the mental illness that bugs you, because i have seen you support nuclear proliferation for our "sane" allies.
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Post by Robert not Bobby on May 14, 2015 14:39:19 GMT -5
Personally, I think he is a joke.
Unfortunately, the North Koreans are having to put up with his absurd fantasies...which apparently can be whimsical and deadly.
China needs to step up.
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Post by deziloooooo on May 14, 2015 15:00:14 GMT -5
Personally, I think he is a joke. Unfortunately, the North Koreans are having to put up with his absurd fantasies...which apparently can be whimsical and deadly. China needs to step up. Believe China is staying as far away as possible from him..realize he is completely coo..coo..to say the least..don't want to get caught in the back wash...
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Post by Robert not Bobby on May 14, 2015 15:14:46 GMT -5
North Korea is right at China's border...they want a buffer from the west...even though they are manufacturing almost everything we buy, lately.
China would feel very uncomfortable with a democratic North Korea. China is the most Capitalist country on earth...but they like their one party system.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2015 11:57:02 GMT -5
Clinton gave this loon nukes, and Obama is giving the mullahs in Iran nukes. Democrats. They're going to get millions of people killed- not the least of whom will be innocent people in countries we will eventually be forced to literally wipe off the map because their nuclear capability combined with their moral depravity and mental illness will leave us no other viable options. Democrats only seem to have a problem with US citizens having weapons.
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 16, 2015 9:23:19 GMT -5
North Korea is right at China's border...they want a buffer from the west...even though they are manufacturing almost everything we buy, lately. China would feel very uncomfortable with a democratic North Korea. China is the most Capitalist country on earth...but they like their one party system. I think it's more like China likes having a client state to do its dirty work. If China lights one off over NYC, it's an act of war. When (not if) NK does it, it'll be an "act of terrorism" by a "rogue state".
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Post by billisonboard on May 16, 2015 9:42:29 GMT -5
North Korea is right at China's border...they want a buffer from the west...even though they are manufacturing almost everything we buy, lately. China would feel very uncomfortable with a democratic North Korea. China is the most Capitalist country on earth...but they like their one party system. I think it's more like China likes having a client state to do its dirty work. If China lights one off over NYC, it's an act of war. When (not if) NK does it, it'll be an "act of terrorism" by a "rogue state". And China would want an attack on NYC because ... Why? They would invite a nuclear retaliation on their border to gain ... What?
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 16, 2015 11:14:08 GMT -5
The United States will never unleash the full might of our military against a foe- pretty much no matter what. First of all, we'll be in economic shambles, we'll be dealing with chaos at home with factions making their move for their version of 'revolution', our currency will have collapsed, our stock market will be OOC, 1/3rd of the country won't even have water or electricity, our allies will abandon us. I am probably not even thinking about most of the worst of it. And the worst part- it's not an "if" at all. It's only a matter of when. This afternoon? Middle of next year? Five years from now? We don't know when. And we don't know how bad- will it be one city? Or will it be 6- or 12? Will it be just NK, or will it be NK, Iran, and ISIS sleeper cells on our streets; what will MS13 and la raza making an alliance to take back the SW US in the aftermath?
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Post by djAdvocate on May 16, 2015 11:48:14 GMT -5
The United States will never unleash the full might of our military against a foe- pretty much no matter what. First of all, we'll be in economic shambles, we'll be dealing with chaos at home with factions making their move for their version of 'revolution', our currency will have collapsed, our stock market will be OOC, 1/3rd of the country won't even have water or electricity, our allies will abandon us. I am probably not even thinking about most of the worst of it. And the worst part- it's not an "if" at all. It's only a matter of when. This afternoon? Middle of next year? Five years from now? We don't know when. And we don't know how bad- will it be one city? Or will it be 6- or 12? Will it be just NK, or will it be NK, Iran, and ISIS sleeper cells on our streets; what will MS13 and la raza making an alliance to take back the SW US in the aftermath? [after playing out all possible outcomes for Global Thermonuclear War] Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken. Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua. Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess?
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Post by billisonboard on May 16, 2015 15:37:22 GMT -5
... And the worst part- it's not an "if" at all. It's only a matter of when. ... Inevitable since August 6, 1945.
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Post by mroped on May 16, 2015 16:15:12 GMT -5
Its funy to me that no matter who's in charge in North Korea the American people will always see it as a "nuckle head" "maniac" crazy and what not. What specificaly in this people behavior points to that? Kim Jong-Un is an educated individual, inteligent but with a Napoleonic Complex because of his height. That doesn't make him crazy. He acts the way he does because most likely he needs food for his people again. No food=Uprisings and he doesn't want that. He, wants to stay in power! And trust me, the next one will be the same and we will call him/her likewise. Change in NK will come just from within and I don't believe that will be the result of a military overthrow however the military will play an important role. I remember that in most of the former Warshaw Treaty countries, the U.S. was referred to as the "evil imperialistic country where slavery is disguised in the form of private ownership of the economy". Ofcourse, in comunism everyone owned a piece of everything as everything belonged to "the people" So name calling works for both sides I guess. And Paul how does one arrive at a conclusion such as yours? Wiping out a country because we don't have a choice? And we would do that?! Furthermore, WE are calling Kim Jong-Un crazy!
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Post by AgeOfEnlightenmentSCP on May 18, 2015 12:13:31 GMT -5
He's not crazy, I haven't implied he was crazy, I don't believe the mullahs are crazy. And this is precisely the problem.
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Post by Deleted on May 19, 2015 12:19:41 GMT -5
The United States will never unleash the full might of our military against a foe- pretty much no matter what. First of all, we'll be in economic shambles, we'll be dealing with chaos at home with factions making their move for their version of 'revolution', our currency will have collapsed, our stock market will be OOC, 1/3rd of the country won't even have water or electricity, our allies will abandon us. I am probably not even thinking about most of the worst of it. And the worst part- it's not an "if" at all. It's only a matter of when. This afternoon? Middle of next year? Five years from now? We don't know when. And we don't know how bad- will it be one city? Or will it be 6- or 12? Will it be just NK, or will it be NK, Iran, and ISIS sleeper cells on our streets; what will MS13 and la raza making an alliance to take back the SW US in the aftermath? [after playing out all possible outcomes for Global Thermonuclear War] Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken. Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua. Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? Do you need to be reminded that lines from old movies are merely fiction ? Your first posted sentence (and corresponding scene from the movie)is not possible. There is no way to know all the possible outcomes of a global thermonuclear war. That's nonsense. It's a fiction writers idea of what a computer would "think".
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Post by wyouser on May 19, 2015 12:32:39 GMT -5
Well, this does have roots in human history. As I recall several hundred years ago the Poles defeated the Russians (Yes you heard that right) and put one of theirs on the throne. The Russians soon revolted, captured this "Usurper", loaded him into a cannon and fired him back to Poland.......
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Post by djAdvocate on May 19, 2015 13:56:58 GMT -5
[after playing out all possible outcomes for Global Thermonuclear War] Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken. Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua. Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? Do you need to be reminded that lines from old movies are merely fiction ? don't belittle fiction, bro. it is most unbecoming. Your first posted sentence (and corresponding scene from the movie)is not possible. There is no way to know all the possible outcomes of a global thermonuclear war. That's nonsense. It's a fiction writers idea of what a computer would "think". you just got through saying it was fiction, and now you are taking me to task for a plot line. what is it going to be?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 11:42:08 GMT -5
Do you need to be reminded that lines from old movies are merely fiction ? don't belittle fiction, bro. it is most unbecoming. Your first posted sentence (and corresponding scene from the movie)is not possible. There is no way to know all the possible outcomes of a global thermonuclear war. That's nonsense. It's a fiction writers idea of what a computer would "think". you just got through saying it was fiction, and now you are taking me to task for a plot line. what is it going to be? It does seem little to me when discussing nuclear weapons and who has them. I wasn't taking you to task about the plot line. It's just me elaborating on just how far away we are from a real AI.
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Post by djAdvocate on May 22, 2015 13:59:12 GMT -5
you just got through saying it was fiction, and now you are taking me to task for a plot line. what is it going to be? It does seem little to me when discussing nuclear weapons and who has them. I wasn't taking you to task about the plot line. It's just me elaborating on just how far away we are from a real AI. i have written several papers on this subject. in those papers i discussed the fact that i was not sure AI would ever happen.
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Post by deziloooooo on Jun 1, 2015 13:56:27 GMT -5
[after playing out all possible outcomes for Global Thermonuclear War] Joshua: Greetings, Professor Falken. Stephen Falken: Hello, Joshua. Joshua: A strange game. The only winning move is not to play. How about a nice game of chess? Do you need to be reminded that lines from old movies are merely fiction ? Your first posted sentence (and corresponding scene from the movie)is not possible. There is no way to know all the possible outcomes of a global thermonuclear war. That's nonsense. It's a fiction writers idea of what a computer would "think". I just reread for the umpteenth time a old book..."alas Babylon..." circa the 1950's....the story takes place in central Florida...a very realistic account of possible potential happenings if one did survive such a event...your area not directly hit but close and the loss of just about everything...{what happens when society runs out of salt..? } The author is "Pat Frank "...originally published 1959...my copy is the 29th printing...circa 1974 so you can see very popular...Believe it was published / written before the Hydrogen bomb..the war itself is not really part of the story...it is being fought but the story line is just about surival and the problems faced with average folks...all of a sudden no more just about everything unless it was supplied by the folks them selves..I am sure there are holes in the story but what story doesn't have them..If one wants to just read a good yarn I suggest do a google..check with your local library or look up a second hand copy..I know you will enjoy thye read...something to read for the summer..actually not a long read..279 pages..I have picked up and reread many times...
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