What GOP abortion law will lead to-raped 10yo forced to term

[EVT1]

news.yahoo.com/pregnant-10-old-rape-victim-denied-abortion-paraguay-103437161.html

     Paraguay's health minister recently refused a request from the girl's mother to terminate the pregnancy, but rights groups say the decision could put the girl's health at risk and is "tantamount to torture".

     In Paraguay, abortion is only allowed when the mother's life is in danger. In all other cases the procedure is a crime.

And of course: 

     The girl's mother has been imprisoned, charged with breaching her duty of care.

     The girl's mother reported last year that her husband was sexually abusing her daughter but the authorities took no action, according to local media reports.

Make no mistake- this is exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here.  Vote wisely

[weltschmerz]

Oh, and delivering a baby won't put a 10 yr old's life at risk?

The abortion is far less risky.

[Opti]

I'm glad we live in the US. I think there are enough people in the US to keep us from becoming a Latin American country. From the URL:

Two births a day occur among girls aged 10 to 14 in Paraguay, and many are the result of sexual abuse by relatives and stepfathers, according to the government.

Complications during pregnancy and childbirth are a leading cause of death for teenage girls.

(Leading cause of death. And the Paraguay Catholic Church is OK with that, life being sacred and all. I wonder how many of those babies do not have health problems if they survive.)

[The Captain]

Wow.  In 3 posts peeps have managed to claim all GOP members want to force 10yo rape victims to risk their life to carry to term and claim the Catholic Church is somehow associated with all teen pregnancy complications/deaths.

That is, I believe, a record even for this group.

[Opti]

May 6, 2015 13:22:30 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Wow.  In 3 posts peeps have managed to claim all GOP members want to force 10yo rape victims to risk their life to carry to term and claim the Catholic Church is somehow associated with all teen pregnancy complications/deaths.

That is, I believe, a record even for this group.

In one post you've dissed at least two posters. I didn't claim anything about the GOP in my post.

Read the URL, the Paraguay Catholic Church does support this.

Don't be a jump to conclusion record getter, you are better than that.

Heck, even EVT didn't claim all GOP members, you did.

[The Captain]

Opti

The fact that the Catholic church is against abortion is a well know item.

The fact that teen pregnancy is a high risk thing is a well known item.

It appears to be a culture that does not take pedophilia seriously.

It appears to be a culture that does not value or protect women, especially young women.

In every single case it was individual male that got these girls pregnant.

Yet you choose to blame everything on the Catholic Church.

You are better than that.

Not sure how anyone was "dissed" in any way.  Please elaborate.

[Opti]

May 6, 2015 13:32:29 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Opti

The fact that the Catholic church is against abortion is a well know item.

The fact that teen pregnancy is a high risk thing is a well known item.

It appears to be a culture that does not take pedophilia seriously.

It appears to be a culture that does not value or protect women, especially young women.

In every single case it was individual male that got these girls pregnant.

Yet you choose to blame everything on the Catholic Church.

You are better than that.

Not sure how anyone was "dissed" in any way.  Please elaborate.

Hell to the No!!!!!!!!!!!

Yes I commented the Parguay Catholic church was OK with that. I find them culpable, but that's it.

And yes I'm insulted. I wrote pretty clearly, but you decided you knew better than me what I meant.

You assumed so bad, I do not even know how to rebut.

You did a very bad Virgil, assuming you know what we meant even if it does not even match what was written.

[Opti]

"Catholic Church is somehow associated with all teen pregnancy "

How the heck did you come up with this?

[mmhmm]

May 5, 2015 22:18:33 GMT -5 EVT1 said:

news.yahoo.com/pregnant-10-old-rape-victim-denied-abortion-paraguay-103437161.html

     Paraguay's health minister recently refused a request from the girl's mother to terminate the pregnancy, but rights groups say the decision could put the girl's health at risk and is "tantamount to torture".

     In Paraguay, abortion is only allowed when the mother's life is in danger. In all other cases the procedure is a crime.

And of course: 

     The girl's mother has been imprisoned, charged with breaching her duty of care.

     The girl's mother reported last year that her husband was sexually abusing her daughter but the authorities took no action, according to local media reports.

Make no mistake- this is exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here.  Vote wisely

That's a pretty big leap, EVT. I don't believe "the GOP" wants anything of the sort, much less "exactly that kind of law". Hyperbole much?

[mmhmm]

May 6, 2015 13:22:30 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Wow.  In 3 posts peeps have managed to claim all GOP members want to force 10yo rape victims to risk their life to carry to term and claim the Catholic Church is somehow associated with all teen pregnancy complications/deaths.

That is, I believe, a record even for this group.

I don't think anyone said anything about the Catholic Church being associated with ALL teen pregnancy complications/deaths. Again, hyperbole. Let's keep it real, shall we?

[Opti]

Mmhmm, while EVT is using a very bad story to make a point, he's not incorrect about some of the GOP. I think some of the potential laws are close to what is described here.

[mmhmm]

May 6, 2015 14:03:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mmhmm, while EVT is using a very bad story to make a point, he's not incorrect about some of the GOP. I think some of the potential laws are close to what is described here.

Opti, some of the GOP isn't "the GOP". "Close to what is described" isn't "exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here", either. EVT overshot his point by a country mile, just as The Captain overshot her point. That's how battles get started. Just keep it real.

[Opti]

www.newrepublic.com/article/114480/abortion-laws-without-rape-exceptions-are-proliferating

Having problems cutting and pasting part of the article, but there is a Texas law bill that is up that disallows abortions at 20 weeks no exceptions. I think that is the situation this young girl finds herself in. She went in complaining of stomach pains, only to find out she was past 20 weeks and she's SOL.

I do not believe all GOPers are for this. But there are enough that are it is getting scary.

[weltschmerz]

May 6, 2015 14:11:00 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 6, 2015 14:03:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mmhmm, while EVT is using a very bad story to make a point, he's not incorrect about some of the GOP. I think some of the potential laws are close to what is described here.

Opti, some of the GOP isn't "the GOP". "Close to what is described" isn't "exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here", either. EVT overshot his point by a country mile, just as The Captain overshot her point. That's how battles get started. Just keep it real.

Looks like the current crop of GOP presidential candidates are against all abortion, even in the cases of incest and rape.

www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-ignites-2016-race-to-the-bottom-on-abortion-and-womens-health

[mmhmm]

May 6, 2015 14:18:31 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 6, 2015 14:11:00 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Opti, some of the GOP isn't "the GOP". "Close to what is described" isn't "exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here", either. EVT overshot his point by a country mile, just as The Captain overshot her point. That's how battles get started. Just keep it real.

Looks like the current crop of GOP presidential candidates are against all abortion, even in the cases of incest and rape.

www.usnews.com/opinion/blogs/laura-chapin/2015/03/23/ted-cruz-ignites-2016-race-to-the-bottom-on-abortion-and-womens-health

That may be, welts. I'm not sure where each of the potential candidates stands on this issue. I just know the GOP consists of more than just those running for president. It includes the congress and the voters who align with the GOP.

[The Captain]

May 6, 2015 14:11:00 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 6, 2015 14:03:03 GMT -5 Opti said:

Mmhmm, while EVT is using a very bad story to make a point, he's not incorrect about some of the GOP. I think some of the potential laws are close to what is described here.

Opti, some of the GOP isn't "the GOP". "Close to what is described" isn't "exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here", either. EVT overshot his point by a country mile, just as The Captain overshot her point. That's how battles get started. Just keep it real.

Quote below.  I don't see the blame in Opti's statement being place on anyone other than the Catholic church for this situation.  Did she mention any of the other contributing factors?  She's smart enough to know the indirect inference is there.  If I'm overshooting by your judgement then so was she.  Yet you didn't choose to call her out on it, why is that?

...Leading cause of death. And the Paraguay Catholic Church is OK with that, life being sacred and all.

[mmhmm]

May 6, 2015 14:33:58 GMT -5 The Captain said:

May 6, 2015 14:11:00 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Opti, some of the GOP isn't "the GOP". "Close to what is described" isn't "exactly the kind of law the GOP wants here", either. EVT overshot his point by a country mile, just as The Captain overshot her point. That's how battles get started. Just keep it real.

Quote below.  I don't see the blame in Opti's statement being place on anyone other than the Catholic church for this situation.  Did she mention any of the other contributing factors?  She's smart enough to know the indirect inference is there.  If I'm overshooting by your judgement then so was she.  Yet you didn't choose to call her out on it, why is that?

...Leading cause of death. And the Paraguay Catholic Church is OK with that, life being sacred and all.

Opti's post mentioned the Catholic church in Paraguay. I'm positive the Catholic church exists outside of Paraguay. I know it exists here and I don't think our Catholic church will necessarily accept what those in Paraguay might accept. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't realize the Catholic church eschews abortion in any form and at any time. That's not up for argument and I figure it's a matter for Catholics, not for me. What happens in Paraguay with regard to this issue isn't my concern and it shouldn't be yours, since you live in the US.

[Opti]

The Captain, I can't be responsible for how you choose to read my post.

What I was complaining about is 'if life is really sacred', why is the ten year olds life not sacred? What I did not post is things I found like 1 in 10 will die in childbirth. About 25% of those babies I think die in their first year. And there's more.

I didn't comment on what caused the situation. I understand the Catholic Church is against abortion, against conception and I was severely disappointed that a ten year old's life is less sacred than a potential one that might not live either, be sick most of its life, etc. As I read it, the Paraguay Catholic church is totally OK with risking this girls life because of their beliefs. That angers me. You don't have to agree with that.

[weltschmerz]

May 6, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

May 6, 2015 14:33:58 GMT -5 The Captain said:

Quote below.  I don't see the blame in Opti's statement being place on anyone other than the Catholic church for this situation.  Did she mention any of the other contributing factors?  She's smart enough to know the indirect inference is there.  If I'm overshooting by your judgement then so was she.  Yet you didn't choose to call her out on it, why is that?

Opti's post mentioned the Catholic church in Paraguay. I'm positive the Catholic church exists outside of Paraguay. I know it exists here and I don't think our Catholic church will necessarily accept what those in Paraguay might accept. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't realize the Catholic church eschews abortion in any form and at any time. That's not up for argument and I figure it's a matter for Catholics, not for me. What happens in Paraguay with regard to this issue isn't my concern and it shouldn't be yours, since you live in the US.

So, female genital mutilation in Africa shouldn't be my concern because I don't live there? How about Boko Haram slaughtering villagers and kidnapping all the girls?

"Meh. I don't live there." is not an option.

[mmhmm]

May 6, 2015 14:49:19 GMT -5 weltschmerz said:

May 6, 2015 14:44:02 GMT -5 mmhmm said:

Opti's post mentioned the Catholic church in Paraguay. I'm positive the Catholic church exists outside of Paraguay. I know it exists here and I don't think our Catholic church will necessarily accept what those in Paraguay might accept. I don't think there's anyone who doesn't realize the Catholic church eschews abortion in any form and at any time. That's not up for argument and I figure it's a matter for Catholics, not for me. What happens in Paraguay with regard to this issue isn't my concern and it shouldn't be yours, since you live in the US.

So, female genital mutilation in Africa shouldn't be my concern because I don't live there? How about Boko Haram slaughtering villagers and kidnapping all the girls?

"Meh. I don't live there." is not an option.

Activism is a completely different thing than posting on this message board, welts. I'm active in a number of activist programs but I don't bring that here as this really isn't the place for it.

[billisonboard]

The 2012 Republican Platform is a statement of who we are and what we believe as a Party and our vision for a stronger and freer America. www.gop.com/platform/preamble/

Here is the official GOP statement on the issue:

Faithful to the “self-evident” truths enshrined in the Declaration of Independence, we assert the sanctity of human life and affirm that the unborn child has a fundamental individual right to life which cannot be infringed. We support a human life amendment to the Constitution and endorse legislation to make clear that the Fourteenth Amendment’s protections apply to unborn children. www.gop.com/platform/we-the-people/

FWIW

[EVT1]

When I refer to the GOP- I am usually referring to politicians not voters.

The voters do not want this- they already tried it in MS with the 'personhood' approach.  But elect enough of the far right and voters are not going to be asked.