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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 5, 2015 16:02:04 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand the controversy. If the guys with the big guns didn't see the guy with the small gun, the guy with the small gun could easily bring down the guys with the big guns as long as they didn't see him coming. The article doesn't say they stood toe to toe blasting away.
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Post by EVT1 on May 5, 2015 16:25:46 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand the controversy. If the guys with the big guns didn't see the guy with the small gun, the guy with the small gun could easily bring down the guys with the big guns as long as they didn't see him coming. The article doesn't say they stood toe to toe blasting away. Yes it does- they had a face to face shootout.
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Post by Green Eyed Lady on May 5, 2015 17:47:51 GMT -5
I'm not quite sure I understand the controversy. If the guys with the big guns didn't see the guy with the small gun, the guy with the small gun could easily bring down the guys with the big guns as long as they didn't see him coming. The article doesn't say they stood toe to toe blasting away. Yes it does- they had a face to face shootout. I must have missed that. Twice. I just read it again and saw that they shot at a security officer - not the one who shot them. I read it to say they opened fire and wounded a security officer and were shot by a "traffic cop".
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Post by mroped on May 5, 2015 18:59:02 GMT -5
I believe I said that "their way of showing their disagreement is not appropriate" meaning that I do not agree and in fact I condemn the way they reacted to that. We, here in the US have our way of life and once on American soil they should understand that. However there is the issue of indoctrination and sheer human stupidity and "gullibility" For that there is no cure.
And zibazinski, I completely agree with "boot them out of civilized countries" but how do we arrive at the decision of who should be booted or who should be allowed to stay? Are we just gonna round up all that are Muslims and that's that? Are they all the same?
For that matter we should boot out many other people. Violence does not belong exclusively to radical Muslims.
Kent, all due respect, 45 against an AK47, there is no way! Unless the one holding the AK is a complete moron or cannot find the trigger!
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Post by zibazinski on May 5, 2015 19:46:30 GMT -5
No, but watch more carefully. Monitor them. The first inkling of trouble, round them up and boot their asses and their relatives back to the hell holes they came from. I still remember the "family" of 19 kids , all on the public tit, coming to school wearing their shirts celebrating the fall of the twin towers. That was the only time I went to the principal and said if she didn't deal with this immediately, I'd call the media and make a huge stink. She was forced by my threat to make the kids turn their shirts inside out and not wear them to school ever again. Non citizens shouldn't be on welfare to begin with That whole family should have gotten the boot out of this country, period
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Post by Ombud on May 5, 2015 19:51:45 GMT -5
No, but watch more carefully. Monitor them. The first inkling of trouble, round them up and boot their asses and their relatives back to the hell holes they came from. I still remember the "family" of 19 kids , all on the public tit, coming to school wearing their shirts celebrating the fall of the twin towers. That was the only time I went to the principal and said if she didn't deal with this immediately, I'd call the media and make a huge stink. She was forced by my threat to make the kids turn their shirts inside out and not wear them to school ever again. Non citizens shouldn't be on welfare to begin with That whole family should have gotten the boot out of this country, period OMG!
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Post by EVT1 on May 5, 2015 20:13:55 GMT -5
Yes it does- they had a face to face shootout. I must have missed that. Twice. I just read it again and saw that they shot at a security officer - not the one who shot them. I read it to say they opened fire and wounded a security officer and were shot by a "traffic cop". I probably read a different article on it:
www.cnn.com/2015/05/05/us/texas-police-shooting-hero/
The officer who'd later be praised as a hero was parked in a patrol car in front of the first entrance, from the east, off Naaman Forest Boulevard into the center's parking lot. An unarmed Garland school district security officer sat in the car with him, ostensibly to check the identification of those coming in. The event started, by all accounts, without a hitch around 5 p.m. (6 p.m. ET), and for nearly two hours nothing serious happened. Until, that is, about 6:50 p.m., when a dark-colored vehicle pulled into the entrance the Garland officer and school district officer were blocking.
"When that car pulled up and stopped, those officers began to exit that vehicle and two men exited the dark-colored sedan," Harn said. "Both of them had assault rifles, came around the back of the car and started shooting at the police car."
A short time later, four members of a nearby SWAT team came in firing their high-powered rifles, according to a source familiar with the officers involved. But by the time they did, the Garland traffic officer was the only one standing.
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Post by mroped on May 5, 2015 20:35:38 GMT -5
So there is a chance that the Garland cop didn't even fire a shot out of his famous 45. On the other hand..."SWAT team came firing their high powered rifles..." explains everything.
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Post by EVT1 on May 5, 2015 22:25:15 GMT -5
Nice we can afford SWAT teams to guard events by hate groups intent on offending people and sparking an incident.
It was reported they paid $10K for the added security- but that seems a little cheap to me. Hell it was TX- they should have all brought their own guns Pussies.
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Post by b2r on May 5, 2015 23:16:21 GMT -5
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Post by Ombud on May 6, 2015 0:02:02 GMT -5
Nice we can afford SWAT teams to guard events by hate groups intent on offending people and sparking an incident.
It was reported they paid $10K for the added security- but that seems a little cheap to me. Hell it was TX- they should have all brought their own guns Pussies. The SWAT Team wasn't hired to protect cartoonists. They responded to a terrorist attack by 2 ISISs members. Not in favor of arming everyone so that we can exercise our civil right to assemble. Or did I misread another of your posts?
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2015 0:05:36 GMT -5
So I guess that means Christianity isn't a religion of peace either.
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2015 0:12:26 GMT -5
Nice we can afford SWAT teams to guard events by hate groups intent on offending people and sparking an incident.
It was reported they paid $10K for the added security- but that seems a little cheap to me. Hell it was TX- they should have all brought their own guns Pussies. The SWAT Team wasn't hired to protect cartoonists. They responded to a terrorist attack. Not in favor of arming everyone so that we can exorcize our civil right to assemble. Or did I misread another of your posts? Are you sure about that- do SWAT teams normally have a 15 second response time or you think maybe they were already there.
I don't know the details but they paid to have their butts protected. Not sure if they just paid the police or what.
But the point stands- they didn't have the balls to exercise their 1st amendment rights without putting other people at risk, when they could have just exercised their 2nd amendment rights and covered their own asses- I repeat- Pussies.
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Post by Ombud on May 6, 2015 0:21:34 GMT -5
SWAT arrived a short time later and within 15 sec it was over. No where does it say they arrived in 15 sec.
I often forget that this is an international forum. In the USA we have the right to peacefully assemble (often permit required) including at events such as this & to hire private security which is often off duty cops. Nothing unusual there. Nothing unusual until 2 idiots supported by ISIS (according to the latest news) decide we didn't.
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Post by resolution on May 6, 2015 7:40:49 GMT -5
I would much rather have a SWAT team at events like this rather than busting into someone's house or twitch gaming session on suspicion of pot. Although it sounds like the off duty officer they hired did a fine job on his own.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2015 9:00:56 GMT -5
ISIS claims that they were behind the gunmen who were shot dead. It is unsubstantiated. ISIS is known for their propaganda and also for stretching the truth a wee bit. We'll see.
If I were ISIS, I would not take credit for such an epic fail.
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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2015 9:18:18 GMT -5
Nice we can afford SWAT teams to guard events by hate groups intent on offending people and sparking an incident.
It was reported they paid $10K for the added security- but that seems a little cheap to me. Hell it was TX- they should have all brought their own guns Pussies. The SWAT Team wasn't hired to protect cartoonists. They responded to a terrorist attack by 2 ISISs members. Not in favor of arming everyone so that we can exercise our civil right to assemble. Or did I misread another of your posts? "According to Garland’s Mayor, Douglas Athas, and other media reports, a ‘SWAT Team’ was put into place BEFORE the event because of “safety concerns”." Hebdo Redux in Garland, Texas? ‘Mohammed Cartoon’ Shooting Reeks of a Staged False Flag
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2015 9:22:43 GMT -5
ISIS claims that they were behind the gunmen who were shot dead. It is unsubstantiated. ISIS is known for their propaganda and also for stretching the truth a wee bit. We'll see.
If I were ISIS, I would not take credit for such an epic fail. It's all they got. Fox and the rest of the neo-cons are very frustrated with them for failing to deliver an attack on American soil. At least it is something to use to stoke fear.
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Post by Ombud on May 6, 2015 9:38:23 GMT -5
The SWAT Team wasn't hired to protect cartoonists. They responded to a terrorist attack by 2 ISISs members. Not in favor of arming everyone so that we can exercise our civil right to assemble. Or did I misread another of your posts? "According to Garland’s Mayor, Douglas Athas, and other media reports, a ‘SWAT Team’ was put into place BEFORE the event because of “safety concerns”." Hebdo Redux in Garland, Texas? ‘Mohammed Cartoon’ Shooting Reeks of a Staged False Flag Smart. Not hired but aware. We have patrol car drive bys on High Holidays even though we hire off duty cops and we're on a quiet street in the hills. If anyone thinks cops aren't aware of High Holidays then they've never been aware of the pre-security meetings held by the federation Cheaper than a trial. Just sayin
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Post by Tennesseer on May 6, 2015 9:46:20 GMT -5
Smart. Not hired but aware. We have patrol cars on High Holidays even though we hire off duty cops and we're on a quiet street in the hills. If anyone thinks cops aren't aware of High Holidays then they've never been aware of the pre-security meetings held by the federation Cheaper than a trial. Just sayin "Harn said a SWAT team already at the back of the building responded "in seconds" to help secure the scene." 'Draw The Prophet' Group Spent $10,000 On SecurityAn off duty police officer does not cost $10,000 for a two hour event.
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Post by OldCoyote on May 6, 2015 10:36:11 GMT -5
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 11:15:25 GMT -5
The SWAT Team wasn't hired to protect cartoonists. They responded to a terrorist attack. Not in favor of arming everyone so that we can exorcize our civil right to assemble. Or did I misread another of your posts? Are you sure about that- do SWAT teams normally have a 15 second response time or you think maybe they were already there.
I don't know the details but they paid to have their butts protected. Not sure if they just paid the police or what.
But the point stands- they didn't have the balls to exercise their 1st amendment rights without putting other people at risk, when they could have just exercised their 2nd amendment rights and covered their own asses- I repeat- Pussies.
Maybe they were just following the example set by their sheep like liberal compatriots. They left their assault rifles with 40 round magazines at home in order to prevent more gun deaths. Damn those trigger happy police officers for killing yet more people. Now we have more gun deaths on our already bloody hands.
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Post by zibazinski on May 6, 2015 11:29:46 GMT -5
I won't lose any sleep over two assholes dying. If they have family here, boot their asses out before they breed more terrorists.
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2015 11:52:54 GMT -5
Are you sure about that- do SWAT teams normally have a 15 second response time or you think maybe they were already there.
I don't know the details but they paid to have their butts protected. Not sure if they just paid the police or what.
But the point stands- they didn't have the balls to exercise their 1st amendment rights without putting other people at risk, when they could have just exercised their 2nd amendment rights and covered their own asses- I repeat- Pussies.
Maybe they were just following the example set by their sheep like liberal compatriots. They left their assault rifles with 40 round magazines at home in order to prevent more gun deaths. Damn those trigger happy police officers for killing yet more people. Now we have more gun deaths on our already bloody hands. Nah- they are just scared little twats that wanted to poke the hornets' nest while being protected by hired guns. Interesting point though- the crazy lady's group is out of New York, and the shooters came from Arizona- Texas was just being a host.
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Post by EVT1 on May 6, 2015 11:55:19 GMT -5
I won't lose any sleep over two assholes dying. If they have family here, boot their asses out before they breed more terrorists. You plan on booting all of the white American families of mass murderers out of the country as well or just the brown ones? Are you suggesting family relationships trump citizenship?
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Post by Ombud on May 6, 2015 12:15:15 GMT -5
I won't lose any sleep over two assholes dying. If they have family here, boot their asses out before they breed more terrorists. You plan on booting all of the white American families of mass murderers out of the country as well or just the brown ones? Are you suggesting family relationships trump citizenship? Why turn it into a question about race?
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Post by Deleted on May 6, 2015 13:18:55 GMT -5
I would much rather have a SWAT team at events like this rather than busting into someone's house or twitch gaming session on suspicion of pot. Although it sounds like the off duty officer they hired did a fine job on his own. Those aren't the only 2 options of what SWAT teams could be doing.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 6, 2015 13:51:18 GMT -5
I won't lose any sleep over two assholes dying. If they have family here, boot their asses out before they breed more terrorists. How about home-grown terrorists? They're American citizens. Wouldn't booting them out be against the Constitution? Where would you boot them to?
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Post by billisonboard on May 6, 2015 13:54:38 GMT -5
I won't lose any sleep over two assholes dying. If they have family here, boot their asses out before they breed more terrorists. How about home-grown terrorists? They're American citizens. Wouldn't booting them out be against the Constitution? Where would you boot them to?
I was wondering how far you go with "family". 2nd cousins? In-laws?
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Post by zibazinski on May 6, 2015 15:16:34 GMT -5
If they haven't sworn allegiance to THIS country, they aren't citizens with the rights and privileges of citizens. I have no problem punishing families who raise terrorists
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