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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on May 4, 2015 5:56:38 GMT -5
You mean other than this one? I've never heard the "heaveno" thing; is that for real? What if you live in Helsinki? It was real for them I thought they were crazy.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on May 4, 2015 5:58:33 GMT -5
What do they call a hellion? A heavenion? Then there are heavenholes and heavenhounds. I have no idea, lol, I ran as fast as I could!
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Post by whoisjohngalt on May 4, 2015 6:19:21 GMT -5
I am being recruited to essential oils one as we speak.
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Post by MarleyKeezy78 on May 4, 2015 6:42:03 GMT -5
Ohhhh essential oils, can I join! I use them all the time
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Post by happyhoix on May 4, 2015 7:38:11 GMT -5
I knew a woman back in the 80's and 90's who was into crystals and faith healers. She believed electricity was evil and wouldn't have a microwave in her house. I don't know if it was a 'cult' exactly, but she spent all her money traveling to conferences all over the world and buying books about aliens among us, faithhealing, etc. Told me all about going to someplace in South America where a faith healer told her she had 'stomach problems' and pulled out a piece of gristly flesh from her stomach area with his hand (I later saw a demonstration of this technique on a TV show - it's a magician's trick). I met her daughter a couple of times, and she seemed just as passionately devoted to her own believes as her mom was, only hers were a little different. She was anti-Western medicine, especially child birth practises. She had her two kids at home, and told me such a hair raising story of her first child's birth that it nearly turned me off having kids at all (it involved a lot of vaginal tearing and stitches). Strangly, she was also strongly anti-wash cloths (not sure what she used to clean her kids). But as adamant and loud mouthed as she was with her beliefs, she was fine about her husband staying up late and watching horror movies with her five year old son. Mom and daughter were both so passionate in their beliefs, and loved nothing better than getting on their soap boxes and preaching to the rest of us. That made me wonder if that kind of personality had some kind of genetic component.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 8:03:15 GMT -5
In the mid-1980s my boss got into est. He was really insistent that I needed to try it, that it would help me realize my potential, that he wished our whole department would sign up, etc. He even told me once that his wife said you haven't really experienced sex till you'd had it with someone who's been though est. I would have taken it as an offer except I was noticeably pregnant and he seemed quite attached to his wife, so I let it go. (I've learned that the term for someone who starts pressuring everyone they know to sign up is called an "est-hole".) Fortunately I'd read an article in Cosmopolitan, back when they did intelligent journalism, about est and knew I didn't want to go near it. Eventually he stopped the high-pressure stuff but every vacation day he had and many evenings were spent in est training, He eventually quit his job in his 50s and became a full-time est counselor. They also have another type of it called The Forum.
A coworker joined as well- same boss, different reason. Her BF was in it and told her there are all kinds of good classes that help you improve yourself and your life. First, of course, she had to go through the thing where they keep you till 2 AM. She told me they got her all worked up about her childhood and insisted she had to call her parents and "get straight with them" and she was driving home at 2 AM exhausted and crying. That didn't sound like something I wanted to experience. I've been through therapy and would go again if I needed it. I belong to a mainstream religion where you're encouraged to use your brain. I don't need est.
DS and DDIL belong to a very conservative evangelical church but I draw the line at calling it a cult. They socialize freely with us, they never pressure us to join, and we attend services when we're there. We don't like the music but we do like the pastor and agree with most of his biblical scholarship so I always find his sermons interesting. We get into discussions on the sermons with DS and I've noticed DDIL gets a little uneasy, as if we're arguing, and we're not, really. I had to tell her that DS and I have always been this way; if we disagree on something we really want to see why the other person thinks that way- not to convert them, but just to see what's behind their opinions.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 4, 2015 8:16:37 GMT -5
I'm glad msventoux already mentioned the cat cult. Even though it may not be the most abusive cult per capita, because of its widespread influence, it may well be the #1 source of abuse to humankind in western society today. Don't get me on the "snow leopards are cute and harmless" cult. That one spans the globe and has claimed more lives that I can count.
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Post by Bonny on May 4, 2015 10:04:10 GMT -5
I saw a lot of Dead shows in the '70's and early '80's.
Jerry! The only objection I have to that cult is not everybody looks good in Tie-dye.
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Post by Tiny on May 4, 2015 10:27:20 GMT -5
The only time I ever got super weirded out was in middle school, was friends with this girl and we had a sleep over at her house and the next morning we had to go to church (fine) Then when I wanted to call my mom to go home the mother told me no I had to go to church with them that evening too(I needed Jesus). Freaked me out because I was only supposed to stay over one night and had to stay two. To this day I'm not sure if she called my mom to stay another night or what. They were Baptist I belive and even answered the phone "heaveno" because hello has the word hell in it Last time I hung out with that girl. Heaveno? Oh, that's hysterical!
I keep seeing Ned Flanders from the Simpsons every time I read "Heaveno".... All I can say is people are weird.
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Post by souldoubt on May 4, 2015 10:47:28 GMT -5
I had a friend who did a complete 180 and become very religious some years back. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers or say it was a cult experience but seeing him before and after is something I'll never forget. Especially when he read a letter out loud to all of us during the holidays telling us we were going to hell. For him it wasn't a matter of someone selling him on a belief so much as it was him just really getting into it. To be fair though I'm pretty sure he's bipolar or has some other issues going on as he fell off the wagon so to speak and did another 180.
We watch a lot of shows on IDHD and one of those shows is Deadly Devotion that has to do with crazy stories usually involving cults where someone usually ends up dead and it's fascinating. After watching the scientology movie a few weeks ago I'm even more fascinated and disturbed that people can get behind something like that. The founder just wanted to make money, get out of paying taxes and the foundation of what they "believe" is something straight out of one of his scifi stories. The result is a cult with billions in assets most notably property all over the world with a tax exempt status that makes people work for pennies a day, treats them terribly at times and harasses former members. I just don't understand how you can get behind something like that to the point you live and breathe it while doing exactly what those above you tell you to do. Guess I'm not cult material.
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Post by chen35 on May 4, 2015 10:49:14 GMT -5
That Scientology moving really weirded me out. I wish they would have done it as a series, because I feel like they just scratched the surface.
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Post by Artemis Windsong on May 4, 2015 11:36:41 GMT -5
I was approached by Heavens Gate in an airport. They weren't pushy. I am glad they closed the airports after going through security for that reason. And the pick pockets. A neighbor was Mormon. She babysat for me. I didn't realize how much mean stuff she did to me to pay me back because I wasn't Mormon. I went to temple once. A spotlight was shown on me and everyone said I was chosen. For what? Having children. Never went back even with threat that the elders were coming. The neighbor had 12 kids. I joined Amway to help out a rellie. I balked that everything had shipping charges attached. Never sold anything and certainly didn't listen to propaganda tapes provided. I had a JW neighbor in my early 20s. I was prime recruitment material. Home alone, naive, lonely with a small child. I just didn't go to the stuff she invited me to and then we moved. One former employer would convince their employees they could not live without them. I had corporate hangover for a long time. In hind sight, I should have stayed there.
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Post by Plain Old Petunia on May 4, 2015 12:01:56 GMT -5
Humans are social animals; we have a need to belong. Sometimes people get that need met via their family and/or friends. Sometimes it is a sports team, civic organization, or religious organization. Sometimes that need goes unmet. Such a person is ripe for a cult to come along and meet that need.
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 4, 2015 12:20:30 GMT -5
Humans are social animals; we have a need to belong. Sometimes people get that need met via their family and/or friends. Sometimes it is a sports team, civic organization, or religious organization. Sometimes that need goes unmet. Such a person is ripe for a cult to come along and meet that need. There's no doubt it can quickly spiral out of control. People become obsessive, unhinged. Warning: Video contains disturbing footage.
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Post by weltschmerz on May 4, 2015 12:27:51 GMT -5
Ahh yes, psychic surgery. They usually use chicken bits and blood.
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Post by ՏՇԾԵԵʅՏɧ_LԹՏՏʅҼ on May 4, 2015 12:37:31 GMT -5
Your neighbor must have belonged to the offshoot FLDS, (Fundamentalists) - which are in no way affiliated with the true LDS Mormon Church. fldsmormons.com/
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Post by souldoubt on May 4, 2015 12:41:30 GMT -5
Ahh yes, psychic surgery. They usually use chicken bits and blood. Reminds me of the Andy Kauffman movie where Jim Carey played Kauffman. When he went out of the country to have some surgery done on him for his cancer he saw the guy sneak the chicken parts into his hand before supposedly pulling them out of his body.
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 4, 2015 12:45:45 GMT -5
"heaveno" That's on some other level!!!
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 12:48:51 GMT -5
I saw a lot of Dead shows in the '70's and early '80's.
Jerry! Isn't that a Groupie?
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Post by Virgil Showlion on May 4, 2015 12:54:02 GMT -5
"heaveno" That's on some other level!!! I have to admit... "We're collecting sea sheavens." "Look, Brad! It's a heavenocopter!"
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 4, 2015 12:59:45 GMT -5
bombsheaven eggsheavens
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Post by chen35 on May 4, 2015 13:12:24 GMT -5
I believe it's 'bombsheaventer'.
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Post by midjd on May 4, 2015 13:18:18 GMT -5
Your neighbor must have belonged to the offshoot FLDS, (Fundamentalists) - which are in no way affiliated with the true LDS Mormon Church. fldsmormons.com/ Not necessarily. I was a "regular" Mormon and we still went to temple to do the baptisms for the dead, etc. Plenty of families in our stake with 10+ children, too. There's more overlap between the LDS and FLDS than they'd like you to believe.
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Post by Bonny on May 4, 2015 13:23:31 GMT -5
I had a friend who did a complete 180 and become very religious some years back. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers or say it was a cult experience but seeing him before and after is something I'll never forget. Especially when he read a letter out loud to all of us during the holidays telling us we were going to hell. For him it wasn't a matter of someone selling him on a belief so much as it was him just really getting into it. To be fair though I'm pretty sure he's bipolar or has some other issues going on as he fell off the wagon so to speak and did another 180. Among several issues I have with my brother is his conversion to Mormonism and his reinventing himself. It was crazy weird to me that the two wildest and out of control kids that I knew; him and a girlfriend of mine both converted to Mormons within a few months of each other. My brother was the quintessential born again telling us we were all going to hell because we didn't believe. But I think the worst was when he would lecture my dad about "Living in Sin" with his girlfriend after my mother split. Keep in mind my brother lived with several women before he converted. Better yet he started an affair with an old girlfriend and started living with her shortly after my mom died about 8 years ago. I just had to ask him what kind of standing he had in the church? Weirder yet is he's trying to convert her. I can't imagine any self respecting woman not born into that church would ever think it's a good idea to convert. One of the weirder tenets is that you have get your husband's permission to go to heaven. WTF?
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Post by MJ2.0 on May 4, 2015 13:25:24 GMT -5
I believe it's 'bombsheaventer'. no, I was saying "bombshell".
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Post by Bonny on May 4, 2015 13:26:21 GMT -5
Your neighbor must have belonged to the offshoot FLDS, (Fundamentalists) - which are in no way affiliated with the true LDS Mormon Church. fldsmormons.com/ Not necessarily. I was a "regular" Mormon and we still went to temple to do the baptisms for the dead, etc. Plenty of families in our stake with 10+ children, too. There's more overlap between the LDS and FLDS than they'd like you to believe. No kidding.
If anyone is interested in a good book about FLDS read Jon Krakaur's Under the Banner of Heaven. He does give a short history of LDS and it's wacky founder.
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Post by chiver78 on May 4, 2015 13:41:54 GMT -5
Not necessarily. I was a "regular" Mormon and we still went to temple to do the baptisms for the dead, etc. Plenty of families in our stake with 10+ children, too. There's more overlap between the LDS and FLDS than they'd like you to believe. No kidding.
If anyone is interested in a good book about FLDS read Jon Krakaur's Under the Banner of Heaven. He does give a short history of LDS and it's wacky founder.
or Escape, by Carolyn Jessop - the first woman to leave the FLDS and win custody of her kids.
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Post by souldoubt on May 4, 2015 13:44:50 GMT -5
I had a friend who did a complete 180 and become very religious some years back. I'm not trying to ruffle feathers or say it was a cult experience but seeing him before and after is something I'll never forget. Especially when he read a letter out loud to all of us during the holidays telling us we were going to hell. For him it wasn't a matter of someone selling him on a belief so much as it was him just really getting into it. To be fair though I'm pretty sure he's bipolar or has some other issues going on as he fell off the wagon so to speak and did another 180. Among several issues I have with my brother is his conversion to Mormonism and his reinventing himself. It was crazy weird to me that the two wildest and out of control kids that I knew; him and a girlfriend of mine both converted to Mormons within a few months of each other. My brother was the quintessential born again telling us we were all going to hell because we didn't believe. But I think the worst was when he would lecture my dad about "Living in Sin" with his girlfriend after my mother split. Keep in mind my brother lived with several women before he converted. Better yet he started an affair with an old girlfriend and started living with her shortly after my mom died about 8 years ago. I just had to ask him what kind of standing he had in the church? Weirder yet is he's trying to convert her. I can't imagine any self respecting woman not born into that church would ever think it's a good idea to convert. One of the weirder tenets is that you have get your husband's permission to go to heaven. WTF? My issues with my friend are along the same lines. We all partied together in our late teens and early 20's and I saw this guy go down a rabbit hole his family had to pull him out of multiple times. I don't think less of him for it but to hear him lecture us the way did was quite honestly offensive especially when he did it in our house. It's one thing to have an open discussion with someone about their beliefs but it's another thing to constantly lecture and act like you're a better person because of your beliefs. I've come across multiple people like him though and have family members that remind me of him in ways. They go to church, talk about god and what not but I've heard them make comments that are rude, homophobic, racist and flat out offensive. I know they're in the minority but it always seems to be the ones thumping their chests the most while being the most outspoken that give the rest of a group a bad name or image.
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Post by Bonny on May 4, 2015 13:45:51 GMT -5
No kidding.
If anyone is interested in a good book about FLDS read Jon Krakaur's Under the Banner of Heaven. He does give a short history of LDS and it's wacky founder.
or Escape, by Carolyn Jessop - the first woman to leave the FLDS and win custody of her kids. is it a good read? I know the outline enough. I'm just afraid I'm going to be horrified about her journey and so depressed that FLDS is still around.
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