Say what?!?!?!

[Deleted]

They are claiming the Gray severed his own spinal chord. Is that even possible? LINK

[NomoreDramaQ1015]

I suppose it's theoretically possible but I can't imagine the level of work you'd have to do in order to accomplish the feat.

[NancysSummerSip]

When I heard this on the radio, I assumed they meant he accidentally severed it, as opposed to it occurring due to external blunt force trauma. A serious fall from a considerable height could do it, or a hard landing on pavement. I've heard of instances of people diving into too-shallow bodies of water and  suffering spinal cord damage when they hit the bottom.

But beyond those instances, I cannot imagine being able to do so on your own.

[resolution]

There have been a number of men that have managed to shoot themselves in the head in the back of police cars after being frisked and handcuffed behind their backs. So I suppose that severing your own spinal cord is also possible.

[Deleted]

Last night I saw a report that said the Baltimore police have a reputation for giving "hard rides" in that van. There have been other deaths apparently.

[Deleted]

Apr 30, 2015 9:34:25 GMT -5 resolution said:

There have been a number of men that have managed to shoot themselves in the head in the back of police cars after being frisked and handcuffed behind their backs. So I suppose that severing your own spinal cord is also possible.

Where do you get that info?

[resolution]

Mostly from links on reddit, I can google it and come up with a few links.

[Deleted]

Thanks

[resolution]

www.usatoday.com/story/news/nation/2014/09/02/family-man-shot-while-handcuffed-did-not-commit-suicide/14986733/

Louisiana State Police initially said in a statement that White had shot himself in the back, according to NBC News. However, the coroner's report, obtained first by NBC months later, showed that White was shot in the front just under his right nipple.

[resolution]

newsfeed.time.com/2012/08/21/autopsy-arkansas-man-shot-himself-while-cuffed-in-back-of-police-car/

Despite what critics are calling an acute improbability with an implausible explanation, Arkansas officials have ruled the death of a 21-year-old man a suicide after he was found shot in the back of a police cruiser — even though he was handcuffed from behind and had been searched twice for weapons.

[Tennesseer]

Apr 30, 2015 9:35:23 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Apr 30, 2015 9:34:25 GMT -5 resolution said:

There have been a number of men that have managed to shoot themselves in the head in the back of police cars after being frisked and handcuffed behind their backs. So I suppose that severing your own spinal cord is also possible.

Where do you get that info?

Here is one incident from my area. Many of us are still skeptical of the investigation.

Autopsy: Arkansas Man Shot Himself While Cuffed in Back of Police Car

[resolution]

www.wral.com/after-further-review-durham-da-says-no-charges-in-jesus-huerta-case/13688962/

[Deleted]

Wow, I didn't realise that suicide while in police custody was such a big problem

[Opti]

Resolution, it appears both your links the police got off based on reasonable doubt because they found a way to say the prisoners might have done it. Occam's razor suggests the police got off killing two men, again. If we put cameras in these vehicles, it will be harder for the police to do the wrong thing AND in any case a prisoner does do anything like this there will be video to protect the city from civil suits.

Left handed shooter shoots himself in the right temple while wearing handcuffs and another guy who says he

will call someone after the arrest gives himself a kill shot under the right nipple while handcuffed?

[OldCoyote]

Why is it that we can have a "witness" or the brother or, or ,or Almost anyone make a statement, It suddenly becomes the truth.

Just because it may support our side of the argument.

I wonder just what kind of deal was made by the city to get that statement??

what probability happened to Grey was the police smashed him into the ground,

One had his knee planted on Grey' neck and head while the other were twisting him in ways that his body just does not turn.

[resolution]

In the North Carolina case the interior of the car was outfitted with a video camera but the recording was turned off when he shot himself.

[happyhoix]

Apr 30, 2015 10:07:45 GMT -5 resolution said:

In the North Carolina case the interior of the car was outfitted with a video camera but the recording was turned off when he shot himself.

Yeah, well, that's not suspicious at all.

[Artemis Windsong]

Note to self:  Don't get yourself in trouble with the police.

Words of warning to all the yegs, criminals, and miscreants out there.  You are bringing it on yourself.  Stop taunting the police.  They will win.

[happyhoix]

Apr 30, 2015 10:06:20 GMT -5 OldCoyote said:

Why is it that we can have a "witness" or the brother or, or ,or Almost anyone make a statement, It suddenly becomes the truth.

Just because it may support our side of the argument.

I wonder just what kind of deal was made by the city to get that statement??

what probability happened to Grey was the police smashed him into the ground,

One had his knee planted on Grey' neck and head while the other were twisting him in ways that his body just does not turn.

I agree, OC, that it does make you wonder what kind of pressure was applied to the other occupant of the van. He's still in police custody.

Additionally, he couldn't actually see the other guy - the van they were in had a wall dividing the two sides, and this second guy was picked up and added to the van at a second stop, after the first guy was already in the van. At some point the guy that died was not only handcuffed, but his legs were shackled and he was not restrained in any way (like being seatbelted to a seat). The sounds the second guy might have heard that seemed to be someone throwing himself around trying to hurt himself might actually have been a man unable to use his arms or legs to brace himself being slung around inside the van as it sped around corners.

[mollyanna58]

I can believe a thoroughly enraged man hurling himself against the walls of the police van.  I cannot believe him doing it with enough force to sever his own spine. 

[EVT1]

     WBAL reported that an autopsy of Gray showed no evidence that Gray hit his head against anything on his own, and that his neck and spinal injuries were similar to those suffered by people in car accidents.

     A Washington D.C. television station WJLA, citing law enforcement sources, reported Thursday that the a Baltimore police investigation found no evidence that gray's fatal injuries were caused during the videotaped arrest and interaction with police officers. The sources told the station that the medical examiner found Gray's catastrophic injury was caused when he slammed into the back of the police transport van, apparently breaking his neck; a head injury he sustained matches a bolt in the back of the van.

www.nbcnews.com/storyline/baltimore-unrest/baltimore-man-recalls-ride-police-van-freddie-gray-n351321

[Malarky]

Apr 30, 2015 15:18:25 GMT -5 mollyanna58 said:

I can believe a thoroughly enraged man hurling himself against the walls of the police van.  I cannot believe him doing it with enough force to sever his own spine. 

Off the top of my head I can think of three guys I know that punched a wall so hard they broke bones.  Smart like tractor?  Yes.

So of you are the type to actually get arrested and thrown in the van-yeah-I can see it.  On purpose, probably not.  

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Apr 30, 2015 9:42:31 GMT -5 Tennesseer said:

Apr 30, 2015 9:35:23 GMT -5 laterbloomer said:

Where do you get that info?

Here is one incident from my area. Many of us are still skeptical of the investigation.

Autopsy: Arkansas Man Shot Himself While Cuffed in Back of Police Car

That's the one that came immediately to mind when I read resolution's post. It still pisses me off whenever I'm reminded of it. How anyone can truly believe the officers' absurd version of what happened, is beyond me.

[Deleted]

They said no force used during arrest but based on bystander videos that is a lie, so as far as I am concerned nothing they say is credible. They are trying to cover up abuse.

It really makes me think twice about the honesty and integrity of all officers when these kinds of incidents keep occurring. Way too widespread with the arrest victim abuse and spousal abuse. 

I know that there are genuinely good cops out there, but there are too many instances of 'bystander captured abuse' now to believe this isn't some sort of psychological or systemically induced issue with the police.

[OldCoyote]

Law enforcement  investigating law enforcement works every time!

Let me save us lots of time and tax payer money,  We don't need any police investigation.   The Chief, Captain, or Sheriff will just make the statement "  Every thing was done within policy."

Or if there is too much political pressure,  It will be turned over to the prosecutor.   The Prosecutor will make the statement  " There is not enough evidence to Prosecute."  

Or if there is too much political pressure,  It will be reduced charges,  the prosecutor will do such a poor job, the judge will dismiss the charges.

Or if there is too much political pressure,  it may make it to trial,  Only to have the jury filled with    "The police can do nothing wrong ever" jurors. 

See we can save a lot of time and money,  By just posting a sign at the crime scene,  "Nothing wrong here, just move on."

[chiver78]

lots of news outlets are now reporting that six officers are going to face charges. CNN link

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May 1, 2015 10:12:45 GMT -5 deminmaine said:

The young prosecutor is actually under some political pressure to indict, which as absolutely unfortunate, and will be seen by some as unfair, understandably.  Hopefully if she indicts there is solid and clear reasoning to do so.

Conversely, if the indictments are warranted it is really sad that it took political pressure to bring them about.

[chiver78]

yes. all of that.

from what I've read, and not just in the CNN link, it seems that the investigation has been pretty thorough. for whatever that's worth.

[EVT1]

Once it has been determined to be a homicide by the ME- kind of hard not to indict anyone.

[billisonboard]

Apr 30, 2015 14:52:26 GMT -5 Artemis Windsong said:

...

Words of warning to all the yegs, criminals, and miscreants out there.  You are bringing it on yourself.  Stop taunting the police.  They will win.

Words of warning to all the criminals and miscreants wearing police uniforms. You are bringing it on yourselves. Stop abusing and murdering people. You aren't going to be winning much longer.